NBA Elite 11 Video: Vision Developer Diary

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Czar

That is really interesting. So since you have the benefit of seeing a whole new game a year after I did you can look back retroactively and make snide comments about what I did or did not see in live 10. Very interesting. Not taking into account that my vision of live 10 was in comparison to live 09 and 2k9. Hinsight is indeed 20/20 I find that to be a completely misguided evaluation of what I saw and an attempt to shut me up as it were. I think if we look at anyones comparisons of a game last year yours included we can certainly poke out holes with the benefit of 12 months of vision. Its obvious you are invested in this years live game no problem but does that mean we can't look at what they decided to show us and comment on it ? I took zero cheap shots. We are known for analyzing video. and honestly what does anything you posted have to do with the blend in the euro ? Bretheren I ask you was that a cheap shot to say the euro had a bad blend. The producer said its the what most realistic ever ? They said real time physics so we should just act like we didn't see that ?

Cheap shot? By asking you what was the difference? Ok. I expected more from you and hope you would expect the same vice versa.

I'm simply asking what is the difference? Last year it was ok and this year it ain't. Your opinion changes but I wanted an explanation as to what did you see that was so off the mark. I posted video proof how it was possible, and by an athlete.

No snide marks here man. We've been back and forth for too long and for you to expect that is very unlike you.

There's nothing wrong with asking you to explain what you're talking about and the difference from one year to the next.

Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Czar

Come on Pared in the video he jumped off his right leg at an angle that a human would NOT do with the momentum he had. Am I the only one who noticed that ? that was an obvious blend into that particular animation

You're telling me an NBA athlete can't jump of his right foot and shoot with both hands? Hell, I can do that. The only thing missing is his momentum should carry him further... but to say the shot is not possible...

And for the record I'm invested in BASKETBALL GAMING. Don't give me that "you're invested in Live." I want basketball gaming to evolve, and nothing has changed in the many years I've always said 2k has the better game. So please don't give me the "you're in Live's camp now" thing. If you've been here long enough, from the many year's I've had 2k early, and the sliders and junk I used to put out for Live to the involvement with Inside Drive that I give every game a fair shot.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by rockchisler

EZ gentlemen EZ Hopefully the developers are looking and implement the blend a lil better

Exactly Rock constructive criticism should in no way be disallowed. Are we forgetting I lived live 10 last year ? and the team that made it ? LOL

[TreyIM2]

Quote: Originally Posted by ehh

I don't see any issue with the eurostep, especially since Jennings is one of the quicker players in the league.

Agreed. After reading the back and forth about the Euro-step, I went back to the vid and played it a zillion times over. Nothing I haven't done or seen before.

But AGAIN we're still looking at stripped down, early footage. Not worried about anything, at this point, in regard to this game.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by ehh

I don't see any issue with the eurostep, especially since Jennings is one of the quicker players in the league.

Ehh its not the step that was beautiful it was the shot he took out of it could have been a better selection for the speed and momentum and angle he was driving at. that shot would have looked much better if he took off from the opposite leg like he did in pareds video example. off the right leg he would probably shoot a different shot is all I was saying not the move itself.

[Jano]

Hmm after looking at it again Czar is right that was a bad blend but I'm not going to go too crazy over it though.

If doing that is going to give teh offensive player an advantage every time then I will. Help defense may have been able to shut that down so my issue with it isn't that huge.

In 2K I have also seen times where animations have blended badly or the players go into animations that wouldn't paticularly work irl so its nothing new.

I'm not trying to downplay what Czar was saying b/c its definitely a valid point but its not something that will bother me too much personally. Unless I or the AI is able to deliberately to cause unrealistic stuff like that to happen giving us an advantage we otherwise wouldn't have.

And I stopped buying into that "this will be the most realistic bball game ever" crap b/c everyone says that. And every year each game does a lot of things that contradict that point so I don't even read into that stuff any more.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Czar

Ehh its not the step that was beautiful it was the shot he took out of it could have been a better selection for the speed and momentum and angle he was driving at. that shot would have looked much better if he took off from the opposite leg like he did in pareds video example. off the right leg he would probably shoot a different shot is all I was saying not the move itself.

For the record, HoosierDaddy talked to them about this already.

This is why I asked you to explain what was the difference from last year to this year. When you explain what you mean, it's a different story.

The user can choose what type of finish they have after the Euro. In this video, the user chose a two handed shot. If you wanted to, you could choose to do a layup. The point is, you can choose what happens out of it.

[RoyalBoyle78]

I know it's a work in progress, but why did the graphics look like crap.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Cheap shot? By asking you what was the difference? Ok. I expected more from you and hope you would expect the same vice versa. I'm simply asking what is the difference? Last year it was ok and this year it ain't. Your opinion changes but I wanted an explanation as to what did you see that was so off the mark. I posted video proof how it was possible, and by an athlete. No snide marks here man. We've been back and forth for too long and for you to expect that is very unlike you. There's nothing wrong with asking you to explain what you're talking about and the difference from one year to the next. You're telling me an NBA athlete can't jump of his right foot and shoot with both hands? Hell, I can do that. The only thing missing is his momentum should carry him further... but to say the shot is not possible... And for the record I'm invested in BASKETBALL GAMING. Don't give me that "you're invested in Live." I want basketball gaming to evolve, and nothing has changed in the many years I've always said 2k has the better game. So please don't give me the "you're in Live's camp now" thing. If you've been here long enough, from the many year's I've had 2k early, and the sliders and junk I used to put out for Live to the involvement with Inside Drive that I give every game a fair shot.

Okay you made several assumptions here. We can talk about this when we see each other if its that important. I'm not going play this game with you here. It would take forever to hash this out because you are making so many assumptions.

Let me say this. I never said you were in lives camp I said you were invested in the game. You have seen much more of it than we had your ideas were implemented into the game to me that equalls an investment of some sort. IE if your ideas are in it you will have more of an attachment ot it.

as an example I sent live stuff on the post game and dynasty last year after both games came out. If that stuff made it in I would think its obvious that I would have an investment in that game because my ideas are in there.

Please don't come with the I expected more of you stuff that is completly not necessary I responded to what you said, I feel you made an unfair criticism with the benefit of seeing something new that didn't exist.

In addition your putting words in my mouth and forming discussion based off of that. How can we have a discussion when your pre determining what I say ? that is not a balanced conversation.

and lastly of course you can shoot with two hands off a euro off that leg just not like that.