NCAA Football 11 Dynasty Blog 3 of 3 - Recruiting Logic and Extras

[Special27K]

Idk if anyone brought this up and this is definitely a glass half full kinda look... But, maybe they didn't mention anything pertaining to the cpu recruiting to their team's system because coaching carousel is in.

They don't mention it because teams recruit to specifically the coaches system and not the schools system?

[Xaos]

Nice read.

[tswiatkowski]

Quote: Originally Posted by NEOPARADIGM

Hypothetical: You're controlling at team from the Big Ten. Now let's say Michigan never gets it going with RichRod and continues to struggle. After two seasons, he's out, and Urban Meyer is in. Meanwhile, Ohio State continues to dominate the conference, but out of nowhere, Tressel heads off to coach, whoever ... let's say Texas A&M. Ohio State hires some "up and comer" from the MAC. In another surprising move, Purdue has managed to lure Bob Stoops away from Oklahoma. And in the real shocker, Rich Rodriguez lands of all places at Penn State to replace the now-retired Joe Paterno. Now let's cut to five years later ... Michigan = Florida Penn State = West Virginia (RichRod era) Ohio State = 6-6 type team Texas A&M = Ohio State Purdue = three straight conference titles, perennial top 5 Obvious just a quick off-the-top-of-my-head example, but that would be the idea, and, imo, it would be awesome.

Well, as you titled your situation as hypothetical, I'm not going to rip you for these predictions, but I think there would be a balance to the way these things shake out in the Big Ten and elsewhere. I do not think Ohio State would ever turn into a perennial 6-6 type team because of the tradition and facilities there. OSU will always have a recruiting pull that a team like Purdue will most likely never have. The style changes, for Michigan and Penn State, would probably be the most accurate thing about your theory, I can see a successful coach implementing his system and school's styles changing. There also has to be a logic system implemented for coaches similar to the logic of a recruit when it comes to signing with a school. Why would Bob Stoops ever leave Oklahoma for Purdue? What would make a successful Jim Tressel want to leave Ohio State? Why would Urban Meyer leave the recruiting hotbed of Florida for Michigan? There have to be reasons behind the changes.

Not being mean here lol, just trying to improve on your theory.

On that note, I don't know if I would want coaching changes in this game because it would take a while to get it right.

Also, on my third point of this post, the addition of half tackles and half sacks is even more promising when you consider that it may have something to do with locomotion and new tackling animations or new tackling engines?

[rudyjuly2]

A recruiting slider will be huge for this game. This will be awesome.

[Gosens6]

Quote: Originally Posted by tswiatkowski

Well, as you titled your situation as hypothetical, I'm not going to rip you for these predictions, but I think there would be a balance to the way these things shake out in the Big Ten and elsewhere. I do not think Ohio State would ever turn into a perennial 6-6 type team because of the tradition and facilities there. OSU will always have a recruiting pull that a team like Purdue will most likely never have. The style changes, for Michigan and Penn State, would probably be the most accurate thing about your theory, I can see a successful coach implementing his system and school's styles changing. There also has to be a logic system implemented for coaches similar to the logic of a recruit when it comes to signing with a school. Why would Bob Stoops ever leave Oklahoma for Purdue? What would make a successful Jim Tressel want to leave Ohio State? Why would Urban Meyer leave the recruiting hotbed of Florida for Michigan? There have to be reasons behind the changes. Not being mean here lol, just trying to improve on your theory. On that note, I don't know if I would want coaching changes in this game because it would take a while to get it right. Also, on my third point of this post, the addition of half tackles and half sacks is even more promising when you consider that it may have something to do with locomotion and new tackling animations or new tackling engines?

Why? CH2K8 did it perfectly, they kept it simple yet realistic. Don't you ever get tired of Joe Paterno coaching 20 years into your dynasty? When teams struggle they should fire their coaches, especially teams like Notre Dame.

The system they have in now is just unrealistic, which is why everyone was hoping for a coaching carousel.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Quote: Originally Posted by tswiatkowski

I do not think Ohio State would ever turn into a perennial 6-6 type team because of the tradition and facilities there.

Have you seen the state of Michigan football right now? Texas before Mack Brown got there? Oklahoma before Stoops got there? USC before Carroll got there?

I know what you're saying, though. "Perennial" isn't what I was going for, just using that as an example of if and when a big-time coach left a big-time program, that program would experience some trouble.

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Why would Bob Stoops ever leave Oklahoma for Purdue? What would make a successful Jim Tressel want to leave Ohio State? Why would Urban Meyer leave the recruiting hotbed of Florida for Michigan? There have to be reasons behind the changes.

Money? Challenge? Didn't Meyer have a clause in his Utah contract that one of his dream jobs was Michigan? (That's why I used that example.)

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On that note, I don't know if I would want coaching changes in this game because it would take a while to get it right.

Completely agree. I was just answering the other poster's question about what coaching carousel is and why it would be a cool addition to Dynasty. The point of my hypothetical was just to show the sorts of changes that would take place, and how it would keep things interesting. Rather see a team like Ohio State fall off the map because Tressell left than have them fall off the map for no good reason at all, for instance, and rather a team like Purdue turn into a powerhouse because they landed a Stoops-type coach than "because the recruiting engine says so," etc.

[tswiatkowski]

Quote: Originally Posted by NEOPARADIGM

Have you seen the state of Michigan football right now? Texas before Mack Brown got there? Oklahoma before Stoops got there? USC before Carroll got there? I know what you're saying, though. "Perennial" isn't what I was going for, just using that as an example of if and when a big-time coach left a big-time program, that program would experience some trouble. Money? Challenge? Didn't Meyer have a clause in his Utah contract that one of his dream jobs was Michigan? (That's why I used that example.) Completely agree. I was just answering the other poster's question about what coaching carousel is and why it would be a cool addition to Dynasty. The point of my hypothetical was just to show the sorts of changes that would take place, and how it would keep things interesting. Rather see a team like Ohio State fall off the map because Tressell left than have them fall off the map for no good reason at all, for instance, and rather a team like Purdue turn into a powerhouse because they landed a Stoops-type coach than "because the recruiting engine says so," etc.

Yeah, but the game can't really simulate the way that coaches have dreams lol. Plus, without an AD mode, money cannot be considered an issue. This is why, with the current limitations of the game, Bob Stoops would most likely never have the logic to go to Purdue. The idea of creating a challenge would not appeal to a computer controlled coach, because it cannot self-actualize. There is no self-awareness, or desire to create a legacy or prove anything to itself. I'm not ripping your points in a real life scenario, because I do understand those motives. But, in the game, those motives cannot exist because they are formed out of human nature, which can never really be simulated by a game.

Now, on that note, there could be a system where a coach could have a profile, where they give importance to certain "pitches" just like a recruit. (Money, Program Status, Program Tradition, Program Prestige, etc.) So a coach may not care about going to a program with a lack of tradition like Purdue, which would improve the likelihood of a coach like Bob Stoops going to Purdue.....

So many ideas, so little time...

Also, @Gosens, I didn't say I wouldn't ever want Coaching Changes, I just think that at this point, because there has been no news of it, CC would not have been developed to the level that the community would expect, therefore creating disappointment and a stale shell of what it could be.

[Critical Kills]

Yeah but how would you know who Jim Tressel is in the game if he quits OSU and goes to another school? I mean I guess you'd see "BUCKS COACH" or whatever he's called as the new coach at Miss. State or whatever but how dumb would that be? I guess if we ever get Coaching Carousel then we will have to get all of the coaches named as well in order for it to make any logical sense.