Madden NFL 11 Introduces Online Scouting

[da ThRONe]

I dont know if this was asked or answered already so bear with me. But will there be offline scouting during franchise mode. Is this new "Gameflow" feature going to take teams tendencies into to consideration?

[ODogg]

They said not, but they are thinking about trying to add in a patch..

[Eclipso]

Quote: Originally Posted by bcruise

I think this paragraph answers that question: "But how do you unlock these scouting reports? "Madden" producer Phil Frazier provides the details: "Scouting is a consumable. So you earn coins in every online game that you play as long as you don't quit or disconnect. You can then spend these coins on scouting reports or other things within the game (gamers will also be able to use real money to buy coin packs or scouting packs, but the prices are not final). It's the same economy that drives 'Madden Ultimate Team.' So you can literally be playing 'Madden Ultimate Team' online, earn some coins, then turn around and either buy a pack of cards or a scouting pack. The economy drives a lot more this year than just 'Madden Ultimate Team, but we're not talking dollars per scouting report here. You're earning these coins by playing 'Madden' online, so this isn't a money-grab for us. This is about building up your online skills. We're trying to provide a competitive advantage and we're presenting it to you in a way that's authentic to the sport of football.'" It's the same "coins" that MUT uses, I guess. And while you CAN buy those with real money, you can earn them pretty easily by playing.

I am ok with this as long as the coins you make come in at a good pace so it doesnt "force" you to actually purchase them.

[tlc12576]

Quote: Originally Posted by ODogg

I 100% agree with you that people should be able to concede at any time. I've complained about this for years to anyone that will listen. I was in a game last week in NCAA when I had too many beers, I was OSU and playing Florida (who of course I hate) and the guy got up 14-0, then hit Pryor and he fumbled and he ran it back and made it 21-0 to start the 2nd. The fact that I knew the game was over and it was getting late, made me think "I'll go ahead and concede and take the loss" but as you said, when I went to the menu there was no option there. So I ended up quitting the game and taking the DNF. It's silly why they won't give you that option any time. I know the reason they don't is they think it'll encourage folks to quit more if they can quit anytime but it's not going to really make a difference in my opinion. I know most people don't want to play against the CPU but when someone concedes they should just be able to automatically take the win if they desire and finish the game. However, with all of this being said, I think it's good to reward people who do finish. And giving them coins is a good way of doing that. If you're in a game that's 63-0 or a game like you describe above, or like I described, then it won't make any difference at all, but if I'm in a game where I'm only down 28-7 in a normal situation in the third and I may be tempted to concede, the fact that if I just play one more quarter and stick it out and get those coins may influence me too. And who knows, in doing so maybe some strange things will happen and I'll come back in the game. But if not at least I get rewarded at the end for sticking around and playing. As it is now there is absolutely zero reason, other than your record of DNF, to avoid pulling the plug and that has got to change. This is a good start.

Still not feeling this feature being conditional because what you described doesnt address the problem of most intentional DNFs,it just exploits it for EAs' potential monetary gain,IMO.

In this scenario,your sticking around to play a game so you can get coins.Coins that you can then use to scout other players.The main reason people have said they want to scout players is to see what type of player they are.That way,they can better identify cheesers,glitchers and everything in between.This is the main cause of intentional DNFs and more games not being played,the mystery of an opponents playstyle.If their goal is really to have less intentional DNFs like you say,they should be revealing all gamers' playstyles by giving gamers this feature to use unconditionally,unlimited,pregame and in-game.Instead,they are taking gamers frustrations and warranted caution concerning online games and allegedly trying to use that as an incentive for gamers to finish games.

You and EA may think "that's a good start" but this seems like attempted consumer manipulation for potential EA profit,IMO.Profit gained from either coins being directly purchased or more online advertising dollars for increased online numbers from people trying to earn them.

I had to literally,laugh out loud,when I read,"You're earning these coins by playing 'Madden' online, so this isn't a money-grab for us. This is about building up your online skills. We're trying to provide a competitive advantage and we're presenting it to you in a way that's authentic to the sport of football.".Just like in real life where the Redskins have to finish their entire game against the Cowboys before they can have game film on the Giants huh?LOL

Im being silly right here,I know they mean the authenticity of scouting your opponent and using it in-game but the notion of these online coins not being about money for EA is even more silly,IMO.The crazy thing is,if they implemented the feature like I described,the numbers of gamers that play and complete online games would undoubtedly increase,IMO.Therefore still increasing Maddens'/EAs' potential online advertising revenue.

Alot of us are optimistic about Madden 11 but sometimes it seems that EAs' marketing dept thinks Madden gamers are just gulliable gophers,IMO.I can only speak for me but in this case,they are mistaken.LOL

However,marketing may yet get my $60 and the last laugh if NFLN or some other real network presentation is not in Madden 11.I believe that hook,line and sinker because they havent marketed it yet!LOL

(Somewhere Bgamers' head is shaking when it should be thinking of baking!LOL)

[splff3000]

Quote: Originally Posted by tlc12576

Alot of us are optimistic about Madden 11 but sometimes it seems that EAs' marketing dept thinks Madden gamers are just gulliable gophers,IMO.I can only speak for me but in this case,they are mistaken.LOL

Lol, I feel the exact same way sometimes. Like they think we're a bunch of kids that don't really know anything about anything.

[Exonerated]

The incentive of coins definitely reduces DNF in FIFA ultimate team. I may be up 7-0 and the other dude won't leave because he doesn't want to lose DNF.

[wco81]

Yawn.

Just put in a spectator mode or a play-by-play chart and let people do their own scouting.

[GiantBlue76]

Quote: Originally Posted by tlc12576

Alot of us are optimistic about Madden 11 but sometimes it seems that EAs' marketing dept thinks Madden gamers are just gulliable gophers,IMO.

Yes, they do think that, and they are mostly right. Just read a lot of this board. It's truly remarkable.

Anyone remember the VIP system from 2k? Blew this away with the stats it took from people playing. it even had pie charts with what they did and how they did it, right down to how they tackled, which direction they ran, etc. etc. etc. Then you could download anyone's VIP and play against a computer opponent which played with those tendencies. It was 100% and implemented into the game.

I swear, just when I think Tiburon couldn't get any worse. What an absolute disgrace.