NBA Live Being Renamed NBA Elite, Scan Posted (Pasta Padre)

[Pared]

You're killing your own point though.

The series still had issues with Mike there.

It takes more than one guy. It takes a team. The team there has more going for it than I think anyone realizes. Again, we have guys back on the team from NBA Live '05.

The team is place has the capability to put it all together. If they will remains to be seen.

[Sovartus]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

That's not my concern nor what I was getting at in particular. I was talking about how people continue to talk about baseball and hockey. I could care less about that because neither of those games are NBA Live and they all have their own unique situations. Basketball guy or not, this series has had some major issues in the past either way, so telling me about revamping triple play means absolutely zero in the scheme of Elite 11

Actually 23, it is an awful lot. If a person has become the leader of a particular area and that area all of the sudden becomes very successful, people point at the leader as reason for the change. If the game bombs, people will point to the leader as the reason for the failure. The fact that this guy led two different teams to two different victories says a whole lot. Person doesn't have to know anything about a particular thing to lead the team properly. It's about leadership, vision, and implementation. Where the NBA series from EA is now, is a result of what they have done in the past. But you must remember that there actually two pasts from EA basketball. There is the last five years, and then there was the 10 years before that. So the question is which past are you talking about?

I would imagine you are talking about the last five years. I will agree that it's very relevant to a degree but, a problem with that is the guys who are working on Elite 11 are from the other era.You can't blame them for the recent failures. In my humble opinion, NBA Live 10 was better than 2K in a lot of aspects of gameplay. If 2K does not address the leak, they could quickly find themselves behind.

[23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

You're killing your own point though. The series still had issues with Mike there. It takes more than one guy. It takes a team. The team there has more going for it than I think anyone realizes. Again, we have guys back on the team from NBA Live '05. The team is place has the capability to put it all together. If they will remains to be seen.

Of course it did man, Mike coming there wasnt going to magically make Big time issues and probably old code from years ago just go away in one year.

Thats just not realistic at all, and people dont expect that this year either, so I dont get these folks who are coming down on people who are skeptical.

Its all wait and see but if they dont compete in sales with 2k this year, will they go in another new direction?

[23]

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Quote: Originally Posted by Sovartus

Actually 23, it is an awful lot. If a person has become the leader of a particular area and that area all of the sudden becomes very successful, people point at the leader as reason for the change. If the game bombs, people will point to the leader as the reason for the failure. The fact that this guy led two different teams to two different victories says a whole lot. Person doesn't have to know anything about a particular thing to lead the team properly. It's about leadership, vision, and implementation. Where the NBA series from EA is now, is a result of what they have done in the past. But you must remember that there actually two pasts from EA basketball. There is the last five years, and then there was the 10 years before that. So the question is which past are you talking about?

Im not questioning his leadership, and im not questioning the leadership of last years team either. If you want to put it that way, they've both been successful at their respective sports at some point

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I would imagine you are talking about the last five years. I will agree that it's very relevant to a degree but, a problem with that is the guys who are working on Elite 11 are from the other era.You can't blame them for the recent failures. In my humble opinion, NBA Live 10 was better than 2K in a lot of aspects of gameplay. If 2K does not address the leak, they could quickly find themselves behind.

Can you blame last years team for the garbage that has been released over the years? Because it seems to me they took the brunt of the blame for the past failures leading up til now.

I mean honestly, after Live 07 I dont even see how things were allowed to continue on. The only way 2k ends up behind is if they get complacent, which is something we have all seen before.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sovartus

If 2K does not address the leak, they could quickly find themselves behind.

See this I don't agree with. 2k is not behind on anything outside of player control. If you measure things one to one, it's the only issue they aren't up to par with that is THAT important. People want to point to plays, crowd sounds... control is the one defining thing. Even if EA were to outright kill it with control, there needs to be more from every area of the game.

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

Its all wait and see but if they dont compete in sales with 2k this year, will they go in another new direction?

Here's the thing - what is this new direction you keep re-gurgitating? Answer me this question and we'll continue the conversation. Because EA hasn't changed direction outside of a name change.

People are buying into the media blurbs that the competitor has made. It happened when Mike left 2k, and it happened when he went back.

Step away from that for a second, and what tells you EA is going in a new direction at THIS point?

[23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

See this I don't agree with. 2k is not behind on anything outside of player control. If you measure things one to one, it's the only issue they aren't up to par with that is THAT important. People want to point to plays, crowd sounds... control is the one defining thing. Even if EA were to outright kill it with control, there needs to be more from every area of the game. Here's the thing - what is this new direction you keep re-gurgitating? Answer me this question and we'll continue the conversation. Because EA hasn't changed direction outside of a name change. People are buying into the media blurbs that the competitor has made. It happened when Mike left 2k, and it happened when he went back. Step away from that for a second, and what tells you EA is going in a new direction at THIS point?

Thats the question im asking sir, im not claiming new direction

I have no clue what is going on. What im saying though is, if the sales arent up to par again, is the dev team going to change yet again

[Pared]

You know if the team changes, so what? Sony's team didn't change for a few years and look at their NBA game.

As long as the changes are positive for the game that's all that should matter, right? And I've already posted a few times that guys from NBA Live '05 are back on the team. That's a change, after talking to them, I can get behind.

[23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

You know if the team changes, so what? Sony's team didn't change for a few years and look at their NBA game. As long as the changes are positive for the game that's all that should matter, right? And I've already posted a few times that guys from NBA Live '05 are back on the team. That's a change, after talking to them, I can get behind.

Depends because all we have to rely on now is history and the kinds of changes made, contributed heavily to this series being unstable.

Sony had a stable dev team and product they stuck with in The Show and now its the #1 baseball game as far as I can tell.

With VC they stuck with their model even when they werent up in sales and eventually it paid off same as Sony's baseball.