Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

[fldash]

Quote: Originally Posted by swaldo

I don't think so, this was posted yesterday by Todd on the BB forums... The camera in the demo is identical to the camera in the full game. Todd Bummer

haha, I was tricked by a forum poster... drats!

[Dudd]

Almost had a game where the AI showed some semblance of life, unfortunately they decided to throw a pick down near the goal line to ruin the first real sustained drive I've seen. I guess it's possible though!

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by swaldo

I don't think so, this was posted yesterday by Todd on the BB forums... The camera in the demo is identical to the camera in the full game. Todd Bummer

That indeed is a bummer. Even a little tweaking to allow some more depth perception down the field and a little wider field of vision would be a huge improvement imo.

I am assuming the CPU offense AI will be improved or at least improved via some patching in the future, but this camera imo, really detracts from what is potentially a fantastic football gaming experience.

I understand it was the devs vision and all that, but imo, and it's strictly my opinion they really missed the boat with the current cam. And to me that's unfortunate as I wanted to enjoy this game to it's utmost potential.

[swaldo]

I'm thinking perhaps we are their "beta testers" until the football season starts. Get our feedback then throw out a patch and big time marketing around the time Madden is released. Hopefully that will include improved AI and a tweaked cam.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by swaldo

I'm thinking perhaps we are their "beta testers" until the football season starts. Get our feedback then throw out a patch and big time marketing around the time Madden is released. Hopefully that will include improved AI and a tweaked cam.

Yes and to be honest, I'd rather they shore up any potential AI problems before they attack any camera tweaks. Although that probably goes without saying.

[TombSong]

I know there are gonna be many who disagree with this but after a few days of playing the demo. I think they nailed the camera view perfect.

My first day reaction was what the heck, I cant see. Too much going on.
Once I started learning the controls and learning to stop wanting to see everything like we are used to, I learned to only look at what I need to and make my read progression from that point.

You have to look at your primary WR's route pre-snap and SEE before the snap what the defense should look like for that route to be open. Post snap the cam auto looks you to the primary. Its gonna take a second or two(depending on the route) for the WR to make his first cut. During that time you should give the pass rush a quick glance, then look to see if the defensive coverage is shaping up for that route to be open. If not move on to the next WR OR check the pocket again and move around to buy some time for the route to come open(if you think it will) If the rush is to heavy RUN, or throw the ball away. Moving around the porcket and scanning through the WR is easy once you understand the controls. Focus button is your friend, LOL. It speeds up how fast your WR looks at each WR. It also helps if you just want to quickly look at your blindside to make sure the protection is holding up till your primary gets open.

All this will not come easy at first, but once you stop having to think about the controls and focus on making your reads, this game is beautiful. I cant tell you how satisfying it is to see a RB about to cross the first down marker and you come charging in from the side and knock his behind in the direction YOU are going, not help pushing him for more yards because some canned animation said he must go forward.

Its not perfect by any means. I think they need to work on the AI play calling. I am also worried about multiplayer games. Can nano blitzes be made ? They also need more plays were you can keep both backs in to pass protect if you think a blitz is coming. Or let you hot audible to keep a extra blocker in(TE or HB)

I would say to guys on the fense, give the game some time and get yourself out of the frame of mind that you MUST see the whole field. In real life if you were playing football you cant look at everything. Just worry about what needs to be seen.

[TombSong]

Also if you want to see more of the dline call shotgun plays. Shotgun gives you a better view of the pass rush.


Another cool thing I have seen is I had a Wr get tackled near the first down marker. As he went down he actually reached the ball forward pass the first down marker tagged the ground then brought it back in to protect it.

[Afrikan]

great post TombSong...

also, here is some tips from one of the deveolpers Todd, if you missed it from the previous page.

Quote: Originally Posted by swaldo

Another post from Todd today.... Originally Posted by Bonecrusher... Focus(LT) + R stick goes way faster than just using R stick. "Basically yes, this is the answer. Using the right-stick on its own "scans" the field and sticks to the closest receiver. Using L-trigger + right-stick will "flick" between valid receivers." When running with the ball - If you let go of the left-stick you enter stutter-steps (PRIMED). From here pushing the left-stick in any direction will cause the player to cut-turn in that direction. In addition to that, after you receive the ball you are automatically PRIMED to do a cut-turn unless you are holding the left-stick directly 'up'. This is useful if you want to cut straight after receiving the ball and great for darting through holes in the line. Spins break tackles. If you are aggressive in a block you can get thrown down, but you can push the blocker back. You can spin into(around) a block [more later when I can remember them] Todd.