Madden NFL 11: Another Year Without Full Rosters?

[nuckles2k2]

This is how it's done:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...se-mode-6.html

Tons of excellent ideas in there that the devs can browse and get some ideas from.

Angry, pissed off people who want their beloved franchise to be good once again....but all they do is present ideas to do so. That's how you help the game that folks obviously want to buy since they're so passionate about it.

Instead of trying to tear people down and point out all of the flaws from the past, how about help YOUR game get better with suggestions, ideas, and constructive criticism without all of the negativity?

[brza37]

Quote: Originally Posted by nuckles2k2

Like I said before, I'll wait for Looman to disprove his resume before I criticize EA for the franchise mode from Madden 10 on. If I can't look at a man's past work and resume and base my opinion on that...what can you look at? Because like I said, Looman had a hand in last gen's franchise success, Head Coach 09's success, and the half dozen additions to Madden 10 that weren't there from 06 to 09. He knows what he's doing.

I agree with you generally and I'm trying to hold the faith but its just a bit discouraging to see that, Looman, the man we thought was gonna save franchise mode has been put in charge of Madden Ultimate Team and has exclusively talked about MUT since January. Then the twitter from Donny would also lead one to believe that full rosters won't be in this year either.

[PocketRocket]

Quote: Originally Posted by nuckles2k2

Like I said before, I'll wait for Looman to disprove his resume before I criticize EA for the franchise mode from Madden 10 on. If I can't look at a man's past work and resume and base my opinion on that...what can you look at? Because like I said, Looman had a hand in last gen's franchise success, Head Coach 09's success, and the half dozen additions to Madden 10 that weren't there from 06 to 09. He knows what he's doing. He himself said that we can't expect Head Coach 09 to appear in Madden right from the get-go but that Madden 10 would be a foundation...something they can build on (yes, it may have it's issues, but they're correctable issues that can be taken care of as they build.)Call me crazy....but before you build the house...you need to set the foundation. Personally I'm putting a lot of the onus on Looman. He's proven himself in the past and I expect him to revive franchise mode in Madden. But what I'm not going to do is blame him for Madden's franchise mode when he had nothing to do with it. We're past all of that and all we can do is move on with the dudes we have in place now. If a company is tanking and they fire the CEO and replace him with someone who's supposed to correct all of the mistakes while grow the company...are you going to blame the new CEO for the bonehead mistakes of his predecessor? Why would you? He wasn't the one calling the shots. You wait for him to make his own mistakes, if he does. If Madden 10 was the foundation, lets see what sort of progress they make with Madden 11 before we get the torches and pitchforks. And if you're too immature to realize that this is how things go and because you're frustrated that suddenly everything has to be the way you want it now, and right now dammit, that's you being unrealistic. (this isn't toward any one person in particular, it's just a mind set around here these days.) Yes there are tons of things that should be in franchise mode, I've acknowledged that dozens of times in countless threads. But bringing up the past and what should have happened under the guidance of a totally different person isn't going to bring progress. It just looks petty: "I don't think you're going to do a good job because I have all of these expectations (no matter how reasonable) and the guy before you didn't meet any of them....and while you were cleaning up his mess and trying to please the fanbase...you still missed a bunch of my expectations....even though you said not to expect too much this year." Sounds a bit ridiculous. Be upset, but be upset and also try to contribute in a way that doesn't look foolish. That's not how you get the devs attention and get your voice heard.

I understand that Looman just started last year. I also understand that Rome wasn't built in a day, and these things take time. However, when looking at the work that Looman has ahead for him, I don't think you can expect roster bonuses to be included anytime soon.

There are many things that have to be corrected and added first:the sim stats need to be ironed out, expanded rosters in the preseason need to be added, restricted free agency has to be put back in, 53 man rosters, 45 man game day rosters, practice squads, front-loading and back-loading contracts,a functional AI and a myriad of other things that need to be added and/or corrected before Looman worries about implementing roster bonuses, which would require a working calendar.

[ForeverYoung]

Quote: Originally Posted by sois

And a working IR. Do those things and I will buy.

IR can't be fixed without expanded rosters, because players on IR stay on your team.

[monkeybutlerz]

nuckles2k2, as the OP of this thread, I'd just like to clarify that I'm no way, shape or form saying that it is confirmed that we will not be receiving expanded rosters (among other things which we hope are included in the game), nor am I making any accusations towards Looman's track record or blaming him for franchise mode's current state.

I merely stated (from a franchise fan's perspective) that Donny Moore's statement may be an indication of the lack of expanded rosters for this year's game once again. My interpretation may be erroneous, but it's what came to mind. I didn't say it confirmed its exclusion, I didn't rule out it possibly being included in this year's game, I just brought it up as food for thought and wished for it to be a starting point for dicussion. If this is being perceived as being a negative and thoughtless post, meant to spur on blind hate for Madden, that wasn't my intent.

[nuckles2k2]

Quote: Originally Posted by PocketRocket

I understand that Looman just started last year. I also understand that Rome wasn't built in a day, and these things take time. However, when looking at the work that Looman has ahead for him, I don't think you can expect roster bonuses to be included anytime soon. There are many things that have to be corrected, and added first:the sim stats need to be ironed out, expanded rosters in the preseason need to be added, restricted free agency has to be put back in, 53 man rosters, 45 man game day rosters, practice squads, front-loading and back-loading contracts,a functional AI and a myriad of other things that need to be added and/or corrected before Looman worries about implementing roster bonuses which would require a working calendar.

I agree with everything you said except the part about the calendar. They already have a calendar in Superstar mode, and Head Coach 09 had a calendar. I'm sure they can figure out a way to implement it in franchise mode for this year (this is vital to the off-season.) A lot of those things you listed can be added to Madden 11, but we also have to be ready to see some without others and not start whining because our expectations weren't met. I can live with improvement over "status quo" as long as there is actually improvement.

And right now there's no way to know what's going on. The only good sign I can point out is the blog about the phone calls in NCAA's Dynasty Mode. It looks to be geared towards the Dynasty players with little regard for the people who would find it too "daunting or complicated."

That's at least a good sign...hopefully.

[nuckles2k2]

Quote: Originally Posted by monkeybutlerz

nuckles2k2, as the OP of this thread, I'd just like to clarify that I'm no way, shape or form saying that it is confirmed that we will not be receiving expanded rosters (among other things we all agree we hope are in the game), nor am I making any accusations towards Looman's track record or blaming him for Madden's franchise's current state. I merely stated (from a franchise fan's perspective) that Donny Moore's statement may be an indication of the lack of expanded rosters for this year's game once again. My interpretation may be erroneous, but it's what came to mind. I didn't say it confirmed its exclusion, I didn't rule out it possibly being included in this year's game, I just brought it up as food for thought and wished for it to be a starting point for dicussion. If this is being perceived as being a negative and thoughtless post, meant to spur on blind hate for Madden, that wasn't my intent.

I gotcha. My posts weren't really geared toward you anyway. Speculation is fine, but it's the people talking about "same ol' EA" and "look at the track record" when that really doesn't apply because the current construction of the Madden dev team is only one year old. The only history this team has is Madden 10...which was more of an improvement in the series than the previous 4 combined.

[Matt Diesel]

Quote: Originally Posted by nuckles2k2

I gotcha. My posts weren't really geared toward you anyway. Speculation is fine, but it's the people talking about "same ol' EA" and "look at the track record" when that really doesn't apply because the current construction of the Madden dev team is only one year old. The only history this team has is Madden 10...which was more of an improvement in the series than the previous 4 combined.

Yeah but hit a dog too many times... You cant blame people for being weary when it comes to Madden.

Im hoping just as much as everyone else they figure this out, but to say my hopes are high would be a lie.