Madden NFL 11 Hands-On Impressions (OS)

[Boregard]

Quote: Originally Posted by reo

That's gold Jerry. Gold!

You got it my man!

[RGiles36]

Quote: Originally Posted by kjcheezhead

This wasn't the case for me when I played Madden 10. Fatigue worked in that your player was taken out of the game when his level dropped. If you just subbed him back in, he would play with little to no change. There are plenty of youtube vids demonstrating this as well. Here is one of something I had happen to me while playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGFd39vqLN0

Well, I guess that can added to your perceived list of M10 issues .

Nah, all jokes aside, I found that fatigue worked properly in M10. I'm not sure what settings you use or how you use your players, but I haven't the slightest idea how you can say fatigue (or progressive fatigue for that matter) doesn't work.

[streamline]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boregard

I am just really longing for a return to user control, within the ratings, of what goes on as the game plays out. M10 you could hit the triangle button any way you wanted, but it had no affect on the attempt that the receiver made. Spin moves, dives, hurdles, stiff arms, and cut moves are all moves that should have various animations that you can trigger based on how you hit the button. I always thought it would be cool if you were being tackled near the first down yardage or at the goaline - if you hold the dive button down the ball carrier should reach the ball out - of course with necessary fumble risk! Spin move tap = quick spin press = more looping spin hold and release as hit = ball carrier would stutter step and well timed release at impact would give a "bounce off" spin out of tackle animation Dive tap = quick "lay down/fall forward" animation press = "superman style dive" think Marion Barber Hold release= over the pile type dive, thus eliminating the need for situational awareness of the game and letting you try to go over the "pile" for a first down attempt Hold during TAK animation = reach out ball for more yardage/ endzone etc Hurdle tap = quick low height like to avoid blocker/defender on ground press = regular hurdle hold release = really slows you down as player gathers to hurdle gives you higher hurdle leap Stiff arm tap = quick short duration arm extension for defender at arm's length press = standard stiff arm hold and release gives you the big punching stiff arm you see AP or Barber or some other guys do note: put these back on the triggers and have "cover/protect ball" be accomplished by holding both buttons in!!! Cut moves tap = very quick minor direction change, very fast/short animation press = little bit bigger direction change with heavy foot plant animation hold release = big foot plant with added shoulder/head fake double move/ stutter steps rapidly tap buttons in succession note: add these back onto the shoulder buttons (L1/R1) I see no reason why these should not coexist with the R-stick stuff they are adding to M11 Catch tap = "in stride" attempt receiver does not break stride arms go for ball or in perfect throw case just lets the ball come in. Press = quick jump catch, low to moderate elevation Hold and release = receiver gathering feet and launching high (within his ratings) to go after ball at highest point. note: when you hold the button DBs should "know" that and either go up with you to fight for ball or line you up for a big hit note: Pick attempts work same way and with hold/release you risk falling/slipping/tripping for both catch or intercept if you hold too long Dline moves First off where did the "bull rush" go bring that back immediately FIN moves (L1/R1) tap = spin move - risk getting blown up press = swim move hold/release = shoulder/head fake set up type move POW moves tap = club move press = rip move hold/release = "throw OL" Bull Rush repeatedly tap X to replicate driving feet Swat (L1) tap = quick swat, minimal loss of speed unlikely to take you out of position if you whiff press = quick jump more likely to knock ball away, but more likely to get you out of position if you miss hold/release = gathering of feet, high jump, very likely to hit ball, high likely hood of being out of position if miss timed note: safer/ higher success rate over interception attempt Strip (L2/R2) tap = quick swat at ball - low impact on tackle attempt success press = big strip tackle - think strip sack or punch out ball from behind risk missing tackle increases hold = grab at ball try to rip it out - huge missed tackle risk note: holding both buttons makes no strip attempt but rather becomes a "wrap" up tackle Final Note: All these things should be based off the ratings as far as success/failure but I want to finally feel like I am in control of the action again and that the input I put into the controller gives me a real sense of "I pulled that off because I timed it right and hit the button the right way"!!! Obviously, the ratings should affect how successful and quick maybe that these animations are!!!

WOW nice write up! I agree with every single thing you put on the list. This is truly putting the player in control of the player. Just by looking at it I would have to memorize most of these controls and actually spend some time practicing them, which isn't a bad thing necessarily, but for some could be a little overwhelming.

[kjcheezhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Doesn't your RB get recharged for resting for a series or two? For example, when AD goes to the sideline, Taylor used to come in for a series or two. I would think your batteries are recharged after resting on the sidelines. Also, WR's only take on play off after they catch a long pass and they are back out on the field. Just saying.

Yeah they do, but it didn't matter imo. If I was playing and Ryan Grant went red and he got subbed out, I put him right back in without letting him take a play off. It didn't affect his play at all.

The vid I showed was one where Jacobs was injured the whole series as well. Watch the end of the play, the cut scene shows him jump up ready for another play, lol.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by kjcheezhead

Yeah they do, but it didn't matter imo. If I was playing and Ryan Grant went red and he got subbed out, I put him right back in without letting him take a play off. It didn't affect his play at all. The vid I showed was one where Jacobs was injured the whole series as well. Watch the end of the play, the cut scene shows him jump up ready for another play, lol.

Oh, I never did that.

I'd play it just like the NFL.

I'd take Grant out and put in Jackson for a few series.

[BlackRome]

Quote: Originally Posted by beastwork

so it sounds like i can setup my play book with "favorites" I really like this. I won't have to needlessly sift through hundreds of plays when I'm really only familiar with 15 of the plays in a playbook

Being able to customize your playbook was in Madden on the original Xbox.
If I'm not mistaken it was also included in the N64 version years ago when they didn't have the NFL license that year. That was one of the best Madden's I ever played.

[Boregard]

Quote: Originally Posted by streamline

WOW nice write up! I agree with every single thing you put on the list. This is truly putting the player in control of the player. Just by looking at it I would have to memorize most of these controls and actually spend some time practicing them, which isn't a bad thing necessarily, but for some could be a little overwhelming.

Well, memorizing moves that consistently play out in accordance to your input is far easier/less frustrating than hitting buttons/moving sticks and never getting consistent results - which is M10 in a nut shell!!!

And actually, there are not that many moves - just the way you hit the button would vary the possible animations you trigger-
- it would be last gen controls (very intuitive, natural) on steroids in terms of flexibility/user control/feel of game!!!

[kjcheezhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Oh, I never did that. I'd play it just like the NFL. I'd take Grant out and put in Jackson for a few series.

I had a few of my online friends show me that trick. Kinda forced me to do the same when I played. If I played cpu I let them stay out. I think fatigue needs to actually affect them so you get punished by putting them back in the first place tho. IMO that wasn't the case in Madden 10.