Madden NFL 11 Screenshots and First Details (IGN)

[kjcheezhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hova57

like someone wrote before Ian is getting the blame for poor management before him he's trying to make the change but its too much in one cycle.

Ian is getting the blame for years of out right lies from EA, no doubt. The sideline catch has been promised to us since forever.

Ian also has done some damage himself. I know he apologized for misleading people with last years blogs, but I felt they were more than a little misleading as so did alot of others it seems. Screenshots of old animations and promises they are improving this isn't going to get it done anymore. The amount of negativity towards the first Madden 10 info is really telling to that imo.

[Flamehead]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hova57

like someone wrote before Ian is getting the blame for poor management before him he's trying to make the change but its too much in one cycle.

Yes and no. If you're talking about features, I would agree.

Where I disagree is the area of quality assurance. Regardless of what was included or not included, we had a game released under one full year of his watch that was so bug-riddled that we had to wait four months and two patches to get a "final" build of the game that--even then--had franchise stats that are messed up.

So in essence, had a glorified beta for four months at a $60 retail price. Some were ok with that, many weren't.

You'll always have people that will express frustration over the lack of progress that they believe the game should have--that's a given. People will always want more features and some will loudly gripe about not having them.

But what REALLY ticks people off is getting the game after all the hype, marketing, etc., then browsing the forums for months later wondering "Is the patch out yet?" for stuff that IS in the game, especially (in some instances) functionality that's been in the game for YEARS.

Citing my example above (franchise stats), Madden has had the franchise feature for over 10 years now, and you're telling me that on the 6th iteration of the current generation console, this wasn't functioning correctly? Seriously?

They're going to put whatever features they want in the game. I'll like some of them and won't like others. But whatever IS in there, should work correctly.

I don't begrudge the usual apologists who will defend these things. But they shouldn't begrudge the skeptics, so long as the skeptics post in a mature manner.

Like I said before, after all these years there is no "early" anymore.

[Hova57]

your right but my point is you have a director who is trying to put the game right, he may have gotten to excited in his expresson of information. But he is on the right track, alot of this should have been in the game, and i think the game will be ok.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by kjcheezhead

Ian is getting the blame for years of out right lies from EA, no doubt. The sideline catch has been promised to us since forever. The amount of negativity towards the first Madden 10 info is really telling to that imo.

I think negativity is too strong of a word.

I don't blame people for being skeptical and having a show me don't tell me attitude, especially if they feel that they were intentionally lied to. (which sounds like that's what you are saying)

I really don't think people are being negative when they are saying the above.

[kjcheezhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

I think negativity is too strong of a word. I don't blame people for being skeptical and having a show me don't tell me attitude, especially if they feel that they were intentionally lied to. (which sounds like that's what you are saying) I really don't think people are being negative when they are saying the above.

True. Skeptical is the better word. The guys posting positive responses seem to feel skeptical and negative are the same and I started switiching those two out as well.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hova57

your right but my point is you have a director who is trying to put the game right, he may have gotten to excited in his expresson of information. But he is on the right track, alot of this should have been in the game, and i think the game will be ok.

I truly believe that Ian is passionate about putting the game right. I have always believed that. Who goes into game development without wanting to create the greatest game of all time? He isn't a mail room clerk or a janitor (no offense to mail room clerks or janitors intended lol). Just saying that he is in a creative field and that tends to cater to individuals that are self motivated more than other fields.

To say he is on the right or wrong track is premature at this point I think. Obviously what they are trying to address is something that needs addressing, and they have gone to greater lengths this year to address it, creating a tool dedicated to tooling that specific issue, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. We, and they as well, have no idea at this point whether this will make things better or worse.

Just trying to be fair.

[cloan00]

I see that we can adjust the sock height, good. If we're staying on equip, I'd like to see players interacting with their equip more. Moving socks back up their leg after a play, taking grass out the corner of their helmets, adjusting their jerseys, refitting their jersey with their shoulder pads, adjusting elbow pads and just overall interacting with their equipment. It would be nice to have jerseys pulled out of position more, maybe with a tackle animation, we see this all of the time!

[vatechfan44]

The screen shots are not anything special.