Backbreaker Hands-On Preview w/ Gameplay Videos (IGN)

[randombrother]

Remember people the worst part of a lawsuit usually is the time and expense having to deal with it whether you win or lose. The only ones who wouldn't bat an eye at one in the case of the football game is Microsoft or Sony. EA might have cash but they ain't got Bill Gates cash. EA would think twice about a frivolous lawsuit against M$ versus one against NM. The thing that M$ and Sony need to get through their skulls is EA is on the verge of trying to monopolize videogame sports and if that happens then console sales will decline. EA has shown a propensity to put out some substandard stuff lately. And if they're the only ones making sports games people will just stop buying consoles (sports folks) and that hurts them.

[strawberryshortcake]

^^ randombrother, valid points.

Quote: Originally Posted by AnyGivenSunday

snippet...Actually I believe a bunch of retired players sued EA for their likeness in a video game without them being paid. EA had created retired NFL players without paying them and since Its madden(NFL) there could be no denying that it was retired players in the game. http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/04/...-sue-ea-madden ...snippet

We both can only speculate. But from what it reads, EA purposely created those historic players then scrambled their characteristics with intentions.

What I am proposing is that NaturalMotion is simply only creating current uniforms (already adopted by all leagues around the football world) with completely generic players, with full customization being a feature that users would manipulate (and not NaturalMotion themselves).

NaturalMotion would not replicate the NFL (or another league) but their own virtual generic league. Would any suit hold water given that NaturalMotion had no intentions to officially create the NFL and player's likeness. NaturalMotion only supplied a "full customization" feature. NaturalMotion did not create league likeness or player likeness; that was at the sole discretion of the gamer.

In other words, NaturalMotion has no intent on creating player likeness.

[hatisback]

Quote: Originally Posted by strawberryshortcake

^^ randombrother, valid points. We both can only speculate. But from what it reads, EA purposely created those historic players then scrambled their characteristics with intentions. What I am proposing is that NaturalMotion is simply only creating current uniforms (already adopted by all leagues around the football world) with completely generic players, with full customization being a feature that users would manipulate (and not NaturalMotion themselves). NaturalMotion would not replicate the NFL (or another league) but their own virtual generic league. Would any suit hold water given that NaturalMotion had no intentions to officially create the NFL and player's likeness. NaturalMotion only supplied a "full customization" feature. NaturalMotion did not create league likeness or player likeness; that was at the sole discretion of the gamer. In other words, NaturalMotion has no intent on creating player likeness.

Bottomline is if they did that, and people were able to share their teams, unis, players etc., NM would be held liable. See the NCAA lawsuit.

[SouthernBrick]

Quote: Originally Posted by strawberryshortcake

^^ randombrother, valid points. We both can only speculate. But from what it reads, EA purposely created those historic players then scrambled their characteristics with intentions. What I am proposing is that NaturalMotion is simply only creating current uniforms (already adopted by all leagues around the football world) with completely generic players, with full customization being a feature that users would manipulate (and not NaturalMotion themselves). NaturalMotion would not replicate the NFL (or another league) but their own virtual generic league. Would any suit hold water given that NaturalMotion had no intentions to officially create the NFL and player's likeness. NaturalMotion only supplied a "full customization" feature. NaturalMotion did not create league likeness or player likeness; that was at the sole discretion of the gamer. In other words, NaturalMotion has no intent on creating player likeness.

Doesn't seem like they would be able to then but, the legal system crazy with tons of loop holes. I really wouldn't be surprised If EA or the NFL could sue them over something about this. I'm sure someone will probably come in this thread eventually will probably tell you the answer.

Like you said we can only speculate since we don't know for sure but, I got a feeling they could. I think they would make the uni's way more realistic, be set in the present and not the future, and be able to play with anyone online with customized jerseys and not just our friends if they couldn't sue IMO. You can only play friends and have your customized uni show up but, If you play a random person the jersey's become generic but, the rest stays the same I believe(i.e. rating and players).

People are able to sue for some crazy things now a days even though It would seem like they wouldn't be able to. If EA can't sue great...thats awesome, If they can then that is no surprise to me. A surprise to me would be if EA couldn't sue them so someone please...surprise me lol.

[creed200569]

Quote: Originally Posted by AnyGivenSunday

Everyone knows this game isn't stealing any sells away from madden. If they did then they'd just be fooling themselves.

What r u kidding me. Of course this game is gonna steal sales away from Madden. So many ppl are tired of that garbage EA puts out every year and this game offers gameplay that has never been seen in a football game ever. BB wont sell more than Madden in its first year probably but I guarantee it will put a dent in its sales and you;d be fooling yourself if you didnt think so. This kind of engine is what ppl have been talking about since the launch of next gen and you dont think that we play a factor in Madden sales??

This game lacked what All Pro needed. A extremely deep team creator,edit player names and teams,customise endzones,franchise mode with drafting and a few other things,Road to BB mode,and good graphics. There is nothing but hype for this game around me here by Tampa. Everytime I go to gamestop,someone is talking about this game and how they cant wait to play it. I dont care about who reviews this game. Its just one person and ppl will be biased towards Madden like this degenerate at IGN who gave Madden 10 a 8.9 when it clearly didnt deserver higher than a 7 with all its problems,especially on gameplay.

[CreatineKasey]

What do you guys think of the lack of pockets forming? I watched the videos repeatedly and always saw a lack of a pocket being formed. Outside defenders always squared up with the blocker and went from there. Nobody took an outside shoulder and tried to "rip" past the OT. If we fan the DL, do you think our men will do that? The blind side could be huge in this game.

Also, does anyone know if we'll be able to "strip ball" with a DL? That's a massive part of football. It's not a part of the Madden series either, and APF was very specific with QB ball strips. To be honest, the APF QB ball strip was my favorite animation in that entire game. I spent so many games just trying to get it to trigger! It only triggered on backside hits.

Note: I'm sorry if criticism of the game angers some of you guys, but I still hope to play a good game of football. I want a non-EA product to choose from a ton also, but that doesn't give them a free pass from my criticism.

[adamgod8]

Quote: Originally Posted by creed200569

What r u kidding me. Of course this game is gonna steal sales away from Madden. So many ppl are tired of that garbage EA puts out every year and this game offers gameplay that has never been seen in a football game ever. BB wont sell more than Madden in its first year probably but I guarantee it will put a dent in its sales and you;d be fooling yourself if you didnt think so. This kind of engine is what ppl have been talking about since the launch of next gen and you dont think that we play a factor in Madden sales?? This game lacked what All Pro needed. A extremely deep team creator,edit player names and teams,customise endzones,franchise mode with drafting and a few other things,Road to BB mode,and good graphics. There is nothing but hype for this game around me here by Tampa. Everytime I go to gamestop,someone is talking about this game and how they cant wait to play it. I dont care about who reviews this game. Its just one person and ppl will be biased towards Madden like this degenerate at IGN who gave Madden 10 a 8.9 when it clearly didnt deserver higher than a 7 with all its problems,especially on gameplay.

Ultimately though, it is Madden that is taking away sales from Madden. If Madden was a good, fun, engrossing game to play, people probably wouldn't even consider this game. (I know some would including me, but not to the degree people are looking at it now)....But people aren't going to not buy Madden because now they have Backbreaker...people are going to stop buying Madden because Madden has let them down year after year, and simply want something else. IMO

[creed200569]

Quote: Originally Posted by adamgod8

Ultimately though, it is Madden that is taking away sales from Madden. If Madden was a good, fun, engrossing game to play, people probably wouldn't even consider this game. (I know some would including me, but not to the degree people are looking at it now)....But people aren't going to not buy Madden because now they have Backbreaker...people are going to stop buying Madden because Madden has let them down year after year, and simply want something else. IMO

I disagree. I believe ppl would still buy this game regardless cuz of how great the engine looks. This is stuff we have never seen or could never see in a football game and that alone will drive alot of ppl to want to play it. I do agree that Madden is hurting themselves by putting out garbage every year thats just unplayable with all these AI issues. They say the same thing every year and the AI somehow ends up worse. Pro Tak ruined this game by sucking everyone together.