Mike Wang Returns to 2K Sports: NBA 2K Series (ESPN)

[BroMontana82]

Quote: Originally Posted by CX1329

This is an example of how people sometimes forget that the 2K series isn't some sort of holy grail of basketball, devoted to protecting the innocence and purity of basketball gaming. In 2K9, you could take Kobe or Lebron and perform said 360 windmill dunks every time down. And while 2K10 rectified that problem to a large extent, you can still pound the ball into the paint nearly everytime if you're that intent and know how to cheese. Regardless of what blind fans (and this isn't targeted at anybody, I'm just speaking in general) might think, the issue isn't so simple as 2K being "sim" and Live being "arcade". EA is guilty of producing some terribly arcade games, but 2K isn't exempt from guilt either. I'd go as far as to say that Live 10 plays a LOT more sim out of the box than any 2K game ever has. Prior to 2K10, I can't recall ever playing a single NBA 2K game in which I couldn't just run up to the basket and dunk all day straight out of the box. Sliders have always been a necessity.

where did i say 2k was the holy grail of basketball? or were you saying in general? i never praised 2k as a complete sim and was pretty much saying what you did by my point of 100% sim doesn't sell so you're never going to get a perfect game and that there is a big "arcade" element in it still. i should have stated that explicitly i guess. believe me, there is still a lot to criticize, and i would obviously like a lot changed to make the game more sim. if it were up to me, but i was tacitly suggesting that you're going to get what a games customer base broadly wants...and that's not 100% sim. companies make these decisions strategically, usually on a revenue basis.

also, you provided evidence about what i said about more and more people wanting sim by saying 2k rectified some problems. 2k fans did want more sim and have been asking for it for years, and they reacted by adding more sim elements to it like the stats and contact in the paint etc.

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...but I still believe that giving the users the option to make changes help.

I can take a liking to 2ks customization options..

EA's, there are things that should've never been programmed into the game that ruins the gameplay elements like Fisher doing dribble moves as if he's CP3... that mess gets old quickly, especially when you can't tweak it.

[Rocboyz101]

2Ks gotta start making games that are sim out of the box, or atleast have sim presets.

[Sinner]

yeah, having the ability to select a type of game play sim/arcade out the box would be nice. Maybe right after it loads up and goes through its opening sequnce it ask whats your game? You have the option to select Arcade or Sim and the settings and sliders will default accordingly. Or if they don't want the word Arcade in their game go with Regular or Sim. Can even have it where you select your favorite team for when you want to change it.

[Jonesy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sinner

yeah, having the ability to select a type of game play sim/arcade out the box would be nice. Maybe right after it loads up and goes through its opening sequnce it ask whats your game? You have the option to select Arcade or Sim and the settings and sliders will default accordingly. Or if they don't want the word Arcade in their game go with Regular or Sim. Can even have it where you select your favorite team for when you want to change it.

Thats a great idea. They could have seperate lobbies online for both game types as well.

[HMcCoy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonesy

Thats a great idea. They could have seperate lobbies online for both game types as well.

Holy Grail.

I've only been crying for that for 4 years.

[rspencer86]

Quote: Originally Posted by HMcCoy

Holy Grail. I've only been crying for that for 4 years.

It makes NO sense not to have this in the game. The devs don't have to make it obvious like asking you as soon as you turn on the game "Are you a ARCADE or SIM player?", but I would be fine with them burying it in the option menu. Just have a toggle between standard and hardcore, with pre-set settings for both. The hardcore set could have realistic fouls, shooting percentages, fatigue, make it important to run plays, etc.

Then have separate online lobbies (both ranked, so you can build up stats and everything with either) for both settings.

Please, someone give me one good reason why that wouldn't be awesome.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by rspencer86

Please, someone give me one good reason why that wouldn't be awesome.

I'll play devil's advocate. One, you're splitting the fanbase. I think labeling the two modes Standard/Hardcore is a really good idea; labeling one arcade and the other standard or hardcore, and most will opt for/consider themselves hardcore I'd think. Given the attitude many hardcore players have and how they look down on anything they consider not hardcore 2K could be opening themselves up to that much more criticism. To me, arcade is Blacktop mode. NBA Jam. NBA Street. I've seen people here try to make the argument that the game at default is arcade, simply because it's not some hyper-realistic image of what they feel the game should be.

Even when I look on this forum I don't know that we'd find a consensus on what the definitive slider set is. Personally I like Pared's as a base, but I'm sure others feel their slider sets are the way to go. Still other hardcore players try to make the argument that the 2K rosters are horrible/unusable, and they have to play with community rosters. I disagree, but imo it's difficult to make the hardcore happy because there are so many varying perceptions out there. Even people here that consider themselves hardcore, the minute you watch them play or you listen to their logic about what they think is realistic, actually isn't.

It's hard to say, but I'd be willing to bet less than 20% of the people that buy the game actually understand how a basketball play works. I'd put myself in the category that doesn't. But when I play online I try to play realistically. And more often than not when I've played other people that are playing realistically but have a better understanding of the game, I lose. I know it can be frustrating to have to struggle with someone that uses poor tactics and aren't penalized as much as they should be for running around/hacking at everything so 2K needs to continue to tweak to find some middle ground, some way to teach people how to play. But that in itself has to be hard, as I'm sure a lot of the people that play that way don't see themselves as playing the game poorly. And in the end, it is a videogame.