Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Roundtable

[CreatineKasey]

I think this game is more far along than the last gen Maddens. What this version does so well is keep the exploits to a minimum. When I play a random online, I don't see one predominant style of play... people actually have to use their team's strengths. On the LG maddens people would follow a much more standard style of play in my opinion. That's what kills video games for me: once I realize that there's a predictable style of play or a way to exploit, I don't play it anymore. This game is more along the lines of APF in the sense that every game feels ripe with possibility. You don't exactly know how it'll end up. This is something I personally pushed kind of hard to EA, and they delivered IMO.

What's great is after the patch many of the short money plays can get punished BIG time by play calls that counter it. I just won a game online where I got 2 interceptions in the flat: 1 in a cover 2 zone and one in a cover 1.

The game isn't nearly as bad as many of you are making it out to be in my opinion. Of course I have things I'd like in the game, but in the grand scheme of things, I like what M10 offers.

[Tick32]

Quote: Originally Posted by CreatineKasey

I think this game is more far along than the last gen Maddens. What this version does so well is keep the exploits to a minimum. When I play a random online, I don't see one predominant style of play... people actually have to use their team's strengths. On the LG maddens people would follow a much more standard style of play in my opinion. That's what kills video games for me: once I realize that there's a predictable style of play or a way to exploit, I don't play it anymore. This game is more along the lines of APF in the sense that every game feels ripe with possibility. You don't exactly know how it'll end up. This is something I personally pushed kind of hard to EA, and they delivered IMO. What's great is after the patch many of the short money plays can get punished BIG time by play calls that counter it. I just won a game online where I got 2 interceptions in the flat: 1 in a cover 2 zone and one in a cover 1. The game isn't nearly as bad as many of you are making it out to be in my opinion. Of course I have things I'd like in the game, but in the grand scheme of things, I like what M10 offers.

Well i hav alot of money plays that continue to work. This why on our franchise on all-madden. we hav players who could score 80 points on the AI. Last gen maddens. the AI would learn ur plays, also they would put better DB on WR. Ive watched a lot of vids trying this on Madden 10, and they dont learn and they wont put there best DB on ur best receiver. So its a mismatch massacre every game.

Also on last gen maddens u could shade receivers to inside or outside. Patch 2 made the game playable, but it still doesnt represent real football IMO. I can still exploit the Ai to death with 1 play. I wanna say maybe nxt year the game will be on par with 2k5, but i dont wanna eat my words. So we will hav to w8 and see.

[CreatineKasey]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tick32

Well i hav alot of money plays that continue to work. This why on our franchise on all-madden. we hav players who could score 80 points on the AI. Last gen maddens. the AI would learn ur plays, also they would put better DB on WR. Ive watched a lot of vids trying this on Madden 10, and they dont learn and they wont put there best DB on ur best receiver. So its a mismatch massacre every game. Also on last gen maddens u could shade receivers to inside or outside. Patch 2 made the game playable, but it still doesnt represent real football IMO. I can still exploit the Ai to death with 1 play. I wanna say maybe nxt year the game will be on par with 2k5, but i dont wanna eat my words. So we will hav to w8 and see.

Yeah I can't speak for the AI too much. I'm an online only gamer so it really doesn't apply so much to me. I feel a great balance when playing other users personally. Of course I could write a massive list of things I want, but I definitely still enjoy this game and feel it is fairly deep.

[drolouis]

Madden needs a new engine, its past due. Eloits are in abundance online and I dont even play the cpu because its too easy. If you turn th sliders all the way up its too unrealistic. If they get rid of ALL animations it will be better. Suction is a huge flaw that effects gameplay. But with pro tak to be expanded next year, I doubt a new rngine is in order. I dont know anything about programming but I wonder if they can remove animations and not change the game engine. Im talking about gameplay animations, not cut scenes

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by drolouis

I wonder if they can remove animations and not change the game engine. Im talking about gameplay animations, not cut scenes

I don't think they need to do away with the animations - more of changing how they are used and which ones fire off.

Animations should fire based on the ratings of the players. So everyone can't do the one-handed INT animation, only the DBs with 80+ CTH ratings. WR should do the sideline catch animation unless they are hit or have AWR under 70, things like that.

I think if animations were tied to the ratings in when/where/how they fired and which ones are available to the player, it would make things better. That and doing away with the need for the engine to have suctioning.

[CreatineKasey]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

I don't think they need to do away with the animations - more of changing how they are used and which ones fire off. Animations should fire based on the ratings of the players. So everyone can't do the one-handed INT animation, only the DBs with 80+ CTH ratings. WR should do the sideline catch animation unless they are hit or have AWR under 70, things like that. I think if animations were tied to the ratings in when/where/how they fired and which ones are available to the player, it would make things better. That and doing away with the need for the engine to have suctioning.

I agree with this. I shake my head every time Ike Taylor nabs a 1 handed INT. The dude has 35 catch!!! To some extent only certain players with high enough ratings can do certain things, but this seems more regulated on the offensive side of the ball. I'd like it that only the biggest hitters could lay the most vicious hits and the biggest ball hawks only able to sky for the balls and make fantastic catches.

Also, even unique block sheds to top LB's and DL who don't lose their gap responsibility when shedding a block.... along with defenders who blow up offensive blockers. In APF I can lay all kinds of players out with Jack Lambert and I just realized that's missing in M10... you can't lay out offensive blockers with defensive players. That should be the case!

[Hova57]

I watched my son play on pro yesterday steelers and baltimore (he was baltimore) couple things i saw was laundry caught three interceptions all one handed. he ran the same run plays over and over some he got miminal gain some he lost , but then he would gt a ten or more yards . didn't really see a problem with that. he did something strange he figured out on his own. on defense he would control his lineman and right when he would be in position for a sack he would stop. the whole pocket would collapse and the qb would fall right into his lap. not to mention with him doing this the pocket would hold up to 8 secs before the cpu would throw the ball. it would always be short pass and they didn't get the first down i didn't like to see that. Lastly very cool run he had like i said he ran the same running plays the cpu adjusted on his sweep plays by blitzing the outside with both lbs and safety and their end even flowed to that side. So what baltimore o-line did was just let them flow to that side and a big whole was open where the lbs should have been it was pretty cool to see the line and fullback just turn and let them run to the outside

[dfos81]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hova57

I watched my son play on pro yesterday

Nuff said, Pro is too easy for most anyone that knows the Madden controls.