Madden 10: AskMadden Tip of the Week

[marcoyk]

Nice. Thanks.

[dfos81]

Quote: Originally Posted by RMoody

Past 5 yards a DB is legally allowed to maintain contact with the WR. However in Madden you just have this very bad animation for it that basically has the two players take turns pushing off to accelerate past the other.

Bumping past 5 yards is illegal, just as a WR picking a db. Bottom line!

The bumping past 5 yards is just as much a glitchy play as the WR picking a DB (BTW that wasn't a pick in that video, it was a rub off the LOS).

It only benefits the Db when they can bump 15yds down field, just like it only benefits the WR when he can get a pick off another WR.
If you want to allow bumping or holding within or after 5yds, then I say allow rub plays for WRs off the los.
Some may feel these are glitchy plays, but it really balances things out imo. If you can bump WRs then I belive its fair to have natural rub plays to counter these plays.

Now if EA actually increased the penalties for these plays, then this wouldn't be as big an issue imo.

[dfos81]

Quote: Originally Posted by RMoody

Please, dont defend gltiching and cheese plays with terms like "chess match" and "its in the game". Plenty of legit ways to beat press coverage, that doesnt involve bunch formations, hot routes and snapping with the defense in motion.

I'm not defending glitchy plays, this wasn't even a pick play, it was a rub off the los.
This isn't a glitch to me. But to each their own.
The chess match begins when these things are allowed on both sides and both sides have ways to counter it.

Its not illegal to get a natural rub off the los.
Just as its not illegal for a db to maintain contact downfield w/o holding or bumping.

[dfos81]

Quote: Originally Posted by RMoody

I assume by BnR your referring the jerky jumping back and forth the WR and DB do in the video. In reality thats just a loop replaying of the same motion capture animation, which by the way looks god awful.

As we all know that EA needs to improve on alot of animations, but thats for another thread.

I like the tip, it gives aggressive BnR teams something to think about.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by dfos81

Its not illegal to get a natural rub off the los.

A natural rub isn't the WR running right at and into the DB.

A real life DB in that situation would not charge head long into a WR coming right at him.

Real life DBs also wise up to this stuff, Madden DBs do not.

A natural rub is when the WR route combination causes the DBs in man to get *in each other's way* or otherwise have to go *around* another WR running his route (or in some cases, the umpire if it's a crossing/drag route).

That's not what I saw in that video. I saw a WR and a DB run right into each other. That's not a rub. At best its incidental contact - at worse...it's a pick.

Pick definition a) illegal offensive pass pattern in which one receiver blocks the defender covering another pass receiver in order to enable that receiver to get open b) slang for interception

That sounds a LOT like what I saw in the video.

[MAHAM]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

A natural rub isn't the WR running right at and into the DB. A real life DB in that situation would not charge head long into a WR coming right at him. Real life DBs also wise up to this stuff, Madden DBs do not. A natural rub is when the WR route combination causes the DBs in man to get *in each other's way* or otherwise have to go *around* another WR running his route (or in some cases, the umpire if it's a crossing/drag route). That's not what I saw in that video.

Thats what happened in the video.

It is a natural rub play, the reciever is only running a route and the cross causes the rub if the defenders are playing tight man, just like in real life. It is not an intentional pick.

The Colts are accused of it all the time by people who don't seem to understand the rule.

It doesn't work well on Madden10 though, I know, I've been running natural pick plays for a few years.

You seem to think its too easy, which makes me think you haven't spent much time trying it out. Its alot harder to do on this years Madden, defenders often cut before the recievers when they're in Man defense, and always avoid the rub if not in press.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by MAHAM

The Colts are accused of it all the time by people who don't seem to understand the rule.

So the Colts receivers run directly into the DBs? Not just make the DBs have to "dodge" out of the way, but just run right into them like the receiver did in the video.

And do the Madden DBs adapt to it? For example, if you ran a tight formation and the AI called tight man each time, the DBs won't do this? The player AI would catch on and adjust how the DB runs coverage on the receiver?

[MAHAM]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

So the Colts receivers run directly into the DBs? Not just make the DBs have to "dodge" out of the way, but just run right into them like the receiver did in the video. And do the Madden DBs adapt to it? For example, if you ran a tight formation and the AI called tight man each time, the DBs won't do this? The player AI would catch on and adjust how the DB runs coverage on the receiver?

I see it more as the defensive back running into the reciever. If it wasn't tight man, the reciever wouldn't cross paths with the defender. The Colts did what looked like a slant/Flat combo that created a natural pick last Sunday. It looked like Wayne ran into corner covering the slot, but the defender never made eye contact to move.

Most of it happens within 5, but if not, its usually only incidental contact.

On Madden, it doesn't work well meaning you don't always get the same result.

Defensive backs seem to do well to sidestep on some plays while other times they get burned.

If youre playing Vs a human, angles and positioning are always being adjusted so its easy to stop if you see it coming. Against the Computer, a drag will beat man without a rub anyway.