Madden NFL 10 Blog: 2nd Title Update Preliminary Details

[sportyguyfl31]

If the hook zone awareness is addressed, that combined with the flats beingresolved will allow me to play the game without losing my sanity.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by swiftychampleone

Once again, look at the technology of the systems we have now. We should be able to play AND take in the environment of the games. This should apply to all games and not be an exception to sports games.

Yeah, but AI takes resources.

It's why the AI sucks in a lot of games, sports or otherwise - it takes resources away from the "sellable back of the box" stuff, especially if the game is more for hot-seat/head-to-head/or online-MP play. It's hard to show off great AI, it's easy to show off great environments, photo-realistic jerseys, and high-res graphics.

In a sports game, the AI has to be even better because it's acting as much as coach as it is each individual player AND doing so for every player on the field, except the one(s) the human(s) is/are controlling. If the game is to play football well, the AI has to improve because playcalling is HUGE in football as is scheme and philosophy of the coach (what player skill sets he wants for his team). Also, situations in football are more numerous and complex.

If we get all those right AND top level presentation, I wonder if that's even possible? I've not played a football game that's had all that, not even 2K5.

[swiftychampleone]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

Yeah, but AI takes resources. It's why the AI sucks in a lot of games, sports or otherwise - it takes resources away from the "sellable back of the box" stuff, especially if the game is more for hot-seat/head-to-head/or online-MP play. It's hard to show off great AI, it's easy to show off great environments, photo-realistic jerseys, and high-res graphics. In a sports game, the AI has to be even better because it's acting as much as coach as it is each individual player AND doing so for every player on the field, except the one(s) the human(s) is/are controlling. If the game is to play football well, the AI has to improve because playcalling is HUGE in football as is scheme and philosophy of the coach (what player skill sets he wants for his team). Also, situations in football are more numerous and complex. If we get all those right AND top level presentation, I wonder if that's even possible? I've not played a football game that's had all that, not even 2K5.

I respect your opinion, but...

I'm going to tell you why I'm not buying the resources argument. NFL 2K5 AND Madden 05 both had really good gameplay and presentation. Actually, 2K5 had better presentation that is STILL acknowledged and will leave any next-gen Madden (07-10) presentation dead in the water. Now that was on Xbox/PS2. How do you go from those systems to the technology X360/PS3 and not be able to pull this off and do it even better?

Real talk, something does NOT add up here. Let's be serious folks and think about this for a second...

[dfos81]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

Yeah, but AI takes resources. It's why the AI sucks in a lot of games, sports or otherwise - it takes resources away from the "sellable back of the box" stuff, especially if the game is more for hot-seat/head-to-head/or online-MP play. It's hard to show off great AI, it's easy to show off great environments, photo-realistic jerseys, and high-res graphics. In a sports game, the AI has to be even better because it's acting as much as coach as it is each individual player AND doing so for every player on the field, except the one(s) the human(s) is/are controlling. If the game is to play football well, the AI has to improve because playcalling is HUGE in football as is scheme and philosophy of the coach (what player skill sets he wants for his team). Also, situations in football are more numerous and complex. If we get all those right AND top level presentation, I wonder if that's even possible? I've not played a football game that's had all that, not even 2K5.

Its all about the mighty dollar.

The truth is EA wants to sell the same game over multiple platforms.
They could fit everything they need on a Blu-Ray disc but then that game would only produce money off of 1 platform.

Really having all these different platforms(360, PSP, PS2, PS3, Wii, etc). is hendering the programmers ability to produce the highest quality game for us.

If Sony ever gets a chance to produce a football game that uses all it can on a Blu-Ray disc, that would be the day next-gen actually becomes next-gen for football gamers.

Until then will be dealing w/ half arsed games just so they can sell more of the same b/s over multiple platforms.

I really pray for the day that Sony(Incognito or someone exclusive to sony) gets the chance to produce a football game exclusive to SONY!
That would be the day a real football next-gen game is produced.

This is just mho. Now I'll step off my soapbox lol

[swiftychampleone]

Quote: Originally Posted by dfos81

Its all about the mighty dollar. The truth is EA wants to sell the same game over multiple platforms. They could fit everything they need on a Blu-Ray disc but then that game would only produce money off of 1 platform. Really having all these different platforms(360, PSP, PS2, PS3, Wii, etc). is hendering the programmers ability to produce the highest quality game for us. If Sony ever gets a chance to produce a football game that uses all it can on a Blu-Ray disc, that would be the day next-gen actually becomes next-gen for football gamers. Until then will be dealing w/ have arsed games just so they can sell more of the same b/s over multiple platforms. I really pray for the day that Sony(Incognito or someone exclusive to sony) gets the chance to produce a football game exclusive to SONY! That would be the day a real football next-gen game is produced. This is just mho.

You just hit the nail on the head! Another reason why the game is held back. I didn't want to go there because we all know what a Madden developed on Blu-Ray would do! It would be a crime if that happen, lol! I still think that the DVD format could give us that quality gameplay and presentation that we want so bad.

[Dmacho]

Quote: Originally Posted by dfos81

Its all about the mighty dollar. Really having all these different platforms(360, PSP, PS2, PS3, Wii, etc). is hendering the programmers ability to produce the highest quality game for us. If Sony ever gets a chance to produce a football game that uses all it can on a Blu-Ray disc, that would be the day next-gen actually becomes next-gen for football gamers. Until then will be dealing w/ half arsed games just so they can sell more of the same b/s over multiple platforms.

Not buying that arguement ; they are other quality sports games that are produced on the 360 platform. I don't think it's about greediness anymore, I think it's about lack of competence. You don't need to have a game put on a blue ray disc to have meaningful ratings.

Case and point , the dev team stated that they stretched out the ratings. Well, the ratings except for speed have been meaningless for years, how is stretching something out that is cosmetic going to solve anything. If anything they need to simply the ratings and give them more weight. The ratings may not matter because they are so many of them. For instance, why do we need a 2 pass blocking ratings ? There's one for footwork and I'm not sure what the other one is for. There should only be a need for one which would be pass blocking.

Why do corners have ratings for route running ? It doesn't apply to their position at all. They shouldn't even have a RTE running rating and if you put them on offense have them try run a curl and throw it to them, the ball should hit them in the back of the head.

[dfos81]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dmacho

Not buying that arguement ; they are other quality sports games that are produced on the 360 platform. I don't think it's about greediness anymore, I think it's about lack of competence. You don't need to have a game put on a blue ray disc to have meaningful ratings. Case and point , the dev team stated that they stretched out the ratings. Well, the ratings except for speed have been meaningless for years, how is stretching something out that is cosmetic going to solve anything. If anything they need to simply the ratings and give them more weight. The ratings may not matter because they are so many of them. For instance, why do we need a 2 pass blocking ratings ? There's one for footwork and I'm not sure what the other one is for. There should only be a need for one which would be pass blocking. Why do corners have ratings for route running ? It doesn't apply to their position at all. They shouldn't even have a RTE running rating and if you put them on offense have them try run a curl and throw it to them, the ball should hit them in the back of the head.

So then your saying its the developers lack of competence. I thinks its a lil of both. I also belive that there are developers that have all the competence to produce a great football game but............

They want to sell Madden on multiple platforms, they have all the nfl licenses, keeping exclusive football games from being produced to its fullest potential by Sony, Visual concepts, or whoever.
I'd like to know how much space is left on a Blu-Ray disc w/ Madden 10 on it?
I bet they don't even use 25% of a blu-ray disc to put Madden on it, but we are paying triple the amount of what they are actually using on a Blu-Ray.

[dfos81]

Quote: Originally Posted by swiftychampleone

You just hit the nail on the head! Another reason why the game is held back. I didn't want to go there because we all know what a Madden developed on Blu-Ray would do! It would be a crime if that happen, lol! I still think that the DVD format could give us that quality gameplay and presentation that we want so bad.

Again, I wonder(been doing alot of that today lol) how much space is left on Blu-Ray disc w/ Madden 10 on it?
Dvd may be able to hold a good game on it but it doesn't have the stay power of Blu-Ray.
I actually think the 360/dvds may be holding back the evolution of next gen gaming all together, again just mho.

If they can't fix pancakes, simple football animations, etc. Whats holding them back competence, dvd, greediness, 360 what?