Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

[BlueNGold]

This is a dumb question but is there any specific date this week that the patch details (and I'm guessing the patch itself) are coming out on like say, today?

[Brando70]

Great googly moogly, 20+ pages on the announcement that there will be an announcement about the patch. At this rate the discussion the actual patch will generate will clog all of the Intertubes.

Once consoles became online-ready, patches became a part of console gaming. If sports developers took the route of taking 3-4 years between games to perfect everything, all of you would be begging for them to release the newest version sooner.

Madden deserves criticism -- it should be further along than it has come on this generation, and compared to even other EA games it is lacking in many areas. But it definitely made more progress this year than it had in the previous years combined.

If people think it sucks and want to say it sucks, that's fine. I just can't get over how bent out of shape people get about a game. You would think Ian and company came into your house and farted in your oatmeal.

The fact that they are patching the game shows that the Madden team want to at least try and improve the experience of the game. Company's that don't care don't take steps like this, and Madden has likely made most of the money it's going to make this year, so it's not like this is a financially beneficial move. These patches are being done to address issues with the game and complaints/suggestions from consumers.

You may think that the game should be better when it is released or that the patches should do more or come out sooner. Regardless, the fact remains that there are people working to try and make Madden a better experience for those who have purchased it. That effort is commendable even if the results are open to debate.

[ABR173rd]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnkorean

Yes, I do realize that there is an exclusive license to NFL-based games. I also realize that there is no exclusive license to the game of football generally (See Blitz: The League), and I also realize that just because I want something doesn't mean that I'm entitled to having other people make it for me while I sit back and contribute nothing. Yes, you pay $60 for it, but that doesn't create a legal or moral obligation for EA to make the game the way you want it, especially when the majority of consumers (parents of bratty children, as you yourself suggest) are perfectly happy paying $60 for the product as is. They put out a product; you buy it; end of transaction. If you're looking for a perfect NFL sim game and the only product on the market is imperfect, then why are you wasting your money on a product you don't want and then complaining about it? You knew what you were getting into, and if you didn't test it before you bought it, that's your fault. For the record, I am not an EA fanboy; I hate EA and the stupid exclusive license. But I also recognize that while this product is not perfect, it's worth $60, especially with free patches that can address a number of problems (many of which don't affect me since I don't play online). It's certainly cheaper than the alternative of developing a competing product, and I'm against the position that many on these forums have taken ("do more work for me and increase your expenses in order to accommodate a niche market that has already paid for the product, but charge the same price as you do currently. Otherwise, I'll buy next year's version and complain about that one too.") Imagine the following scenario: you go into a restaurant and order the top selling dish on the menu. You summon the head chef and tell him that the dish should be perfect and complain that it lacks black truffle shavings and caviar. You tell him the next time you come to his restaurant you expect to see these changes made, and you expect to pay the same price. How realistic does that sound?

Your last scenario doesn't even make sense....According to that scenario the meal is served to you as described and perfectly cooked but your asking for extras....The real comparable scenario here is you order a filet and when the server asks you how you would like it prepared you say rare and end up getting served a hamburger instead of steak....

The product did get released broken in some regards,the calculation of tackles,players morphing,I just played against the seahawks in franchise yesterday and there was an injury to a WR the WR's jersey on the field said Branch but when the injury summary popped up on the screen it said it was burelson so I'm thinking okay the guys jersey said Branch but it was Burlseon because he was actually supposed to be in the game for that play,very next play who catches a TD pass but Burelson.Thats not asking for caviar thats asking for the game to be how its supposed to be.If it wasn't advertised as mysterious guess who is actually injured, injury's happening in the game then it better not have any...
I'm not a Madden ***** I have purchased Madden every year since the Sega days, I would say the game itself has taken the first step in utilizing the next Gen systems especially for PS3 but it still has something to fix.I'm hoping for an Engine change next year theirs to many good engines being utilized for Madden to not be on the leading edge as far as graphics go and what better way to showcase an engine but in a sports game were you have millions of animations going on at once and players hitting and crashing and bouncing off of each other.And god dam EA if you can't create the best engine for Madden then go out and buy it!

[stanley roper]

Look at this board and then take a look at the NBA live forums, the NBA 2k forums, SCEA forums....etc....etc...etc....

None of them compares to this forum. This forum has nothing but complains and majority is warranted.

this only shows you where QA really is. Right EA Madden?

[LAKE4742]

Yep, alot of the complaints ARE warranted. I'm all for patches, but even moreso for better developers. I just don't understand how an entire staff works on a game, for even just a year, and a gamer can come along after that year and say "the blocking is bad in this game", and the devs say "Hmmmm, I think you're right".

WTF?!!!

WTH were you doing that entire year? Let me guess, it took alot of time and energy to get in handtowels?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Brando70

Great googly moogly, 20+ pages on the announcement that there will be an announcement about the patch. At this rate the discussion the actual patch will generate will clog all of the Intertubes.

My sentimonies exactly.

Quote: Originally Posted by Brando70

Once consoles became online-ready, patches became a part of console gaming. If sports developers took the route of taking 3-4 years between games to perfect everything, all of you would be begging for them to release the newest version sooner.

Agreed. Why don't we just go back to the PS2 days where what you bought is what you got. C'mon.

Quote: Originally Posted by Brando70

Madden deserves criticism -- it should be further along than it has come on this generation, and compared to even other EA games it is lacking in many areas. But it definitely made more progress this year than it had in the previous years combined. If people think it sucks and want to say it sucks, that's fine. I just can't get over how bent out of shape people get about a game. You would think Ian and company came into your house and farted in your oatmeal.

Many people take it that way in this generation of entitlement. You know who you are.

Quote: Originally Posted by Brando70

fact that they are patching the game shows that the Madden team want to at least try and improve the experience of the game. Company's that don't care don't take steps like this, and Madden has likely made most of the money it's going to make this year, so it's not like this is a financially beneficial move. These patches are being done to address issues with the game and complaints/suggestions from consumers. You may think that the game should be better when it is released or that the patches should do more or come out sooner. Regardless, the fact remains that there are people working to try and make Madden a better experience for those who have purchased it. That effort is commendable even if the results are open to debate.

Both EA and Sony have kept me as a customer by patching games, and yes it is annoying to buy a game and not be able to play it right that very second, but just find another game to play or god forbid go outside and do something, it's a video game folks. Nothing more, nothing less.

[johnkorean]

Quote: Originally Posted by AirborneRanger1

Your last scenario doesn't even make sense....According to that scenario the meal is served to you as described and perfectly cooked but your asking for extras....The real comparable scenario here is you order a filet and when the server asks you how you would like it prepared you say rare and end up getting served a hamburger instead of steak....

I don't really like analogies since there's always too many elements for 2 scenarios to really be comparable. My analogy doesn't work and neither does yours.

Basically, my argument is this:

1. We all had the opportunity to rent the game before we bought it. No one held a gun to our heads and told us to buy the game at the midnight release.

2. Just because we want something doesn't entitle us to it. It is not EA's responsibility to make the perfect Madden just because we want a perfect Madden. The vast majority of customers are more than happy to play through the glitches and never even download the patches because they don't care. It is this niche minority that is asking for a cost-ineffective level of detail in order to satisfy the minority's belief that they deserve someone else's hard work.

[BlueNGold]

Quote: Originally Posted by LAKE4742

Yep, alot of the complaints ARE warranted. I'm all for patches, but even moreso for better developers. I just don't understand how an entire staff works on a game, for even just a year, and a gamer can come along after that year and say "the blocking is bad in this game", and the devs say "Hmmmm, I think you're right". WTF?!!! WTH were you doing that entire year? Let me guess, it took alot of time and energy to get in handtowels?

Well that's a big part of the problem. People bitched and moaned for years to get handtowels, team colored cleats, etc, etc and now that they are in the game people turn around and say "why did you put that in? You should have been working on gameplay!" So its basically a lose, lose for the dev team because people ask for one thing, they put that in and then people complain about them spending time on that.

Another thing is probably 99% of us have no idea how difficult it is to make a game, let alone a sports game or more specifically a football game. This is, imo, a big reason why Ian stopped posting as frequently on these boards. You work your *** off for a year and then people go and **** all over your hard work when they really don't know how difficult it is to do what the dev team does.