Why All-Pro Football Still Trumps Madden

[teambayern]

Quote: Originally Posted by LBzrule

Indeed it needs to be patched. But it's not just the QB's sixth sense that's the problem. The WR's should not be even aware he is throwing the ball. That's the thing that is irritating me. I can get pressure but this bastard slings it down the field to a WR who is not looking but he catches it anyway. WEAK!!

Same with the CB's. APF didn't do this particularly well either, but in Madden you can run something like a streak or double route, where the CB is hauling *** with his back turned just to catch up. Yet as you throw it, his spidey senses kick in and he immediately turns and pursues the ball instead of doing the desperate run-toward-the-wr-with-my-hands-up move we see all the time in Sundays. I think that's the main reason deep throws are so easily batted/intercepted: the DB's get a lot of time to move in front of it with none of the confusion that would normally come from guarding a man while keeping an eye on the qb directly behind you.

[CreatineKasey]

Quote: Originally Posted by teambayern

Same with the CB's. APF didn't do this particularly well either, but in Madden you can run something like a streak or double route, where the CB is hauling *** with his back turned just to catch up. Yet as you throw it, his spidey senses kick in and he immediately turns and pursues the ball instead of doing the desperate run-toward-the-wr-with-my-hands-up move we see all the time in Sundays. I think that's the main reason deep throws are so easily batted/intercepted: the DB's get a lot of time to move in front of it with none of the confusion that would normally come from guarding a man while keeping an eye on the qb directly behind you.

I also think the ball trajectory and ball speeds are weird in Madden. In APF the balls felt authentic when thrown. They seemed to move is if people were throwing them, even the lobs. In M10 the lobs just look kinda silly to me, and seem to flutter in the air maybe more than a throw like that would in real life. Also, I have trouble effectively throwing a ball for your WR to run under. They love to give CB's a chance out there

[slickdtc]

Quote: Originally Posted by CreatineKasey

I also think the ball trajectory and ball speeds are weird in Madden. In APF the balls felt authentic when thrown. They seemed to move is if people were throwing them, even the lobs. In M10 the lobs just look kinda silly to me, and seem to flutter in the air maybe more than a throw like that would in real life. Also, I have trouble effectively throwing a ball for your WR to run under. They love to give CB's a chance out there

Extremely noticeable to me. Maybe the people who only play the Madden series are used to it, but after playing APF2k8 and seeing the great trajectories, it's hard to even stand those ridiculous mile high throws. I hardly ever lob the ball, it doesn't seem to be worth it.

[sportyguyfl31]

There's one thing in Madden that absolutely burns my oil.

The worst throw you can make in Madden is the downfield, one on one throw to a reciever vs. a zone defender.

Logic would say, "throw this pass", but what you will see, is a LB, who is beat by a good 2-3 yards by a receiver, be able to bat the ball down, or the pass you throw, leading the reciever into the DB for a INT.

[RogueHominid]

Quote: Originally Posted by sportyguyfl31

There's one thing in Madden that absolutely burns my oil. The worst throw you can make in Madden is the downfield, one on one throw to a reciever vs. a zone defender. Logic would say, "throw this pass", but what you will see, is a LB, who is beat by a good 2-3 yards by a receiver, be able to bat the ball down, or the pass you throw, leading the reciever into the DB for a INT.

This is the one throw type I haven't totally gotten yet either. I can throw every route in the game and enjoy the way it works so long as the matchups are right, but the vertical game is still stumping me a bit.

I've seen guys lob balls up to singled-up WR and TE and get some really nice completions, and I've gotten a few myself, but I haven't figured out when to release the ball in the route and with what kind of touch to get a reasonably consistent result.

I don't think deep passes should be easy, but I think I should be able to figure out how to wing it so that Jamarcus will put the ball out there to be run under. I feel like you have to know just when in the vertical route to do that. Too early and the QB will throw it like it's a super deep stop pattern, allowing the DB to make a play when he shouldn't be able to.

Tips on when's the right time to let 'er rip on those patterns?

[ANDROMADA 1]

Quote: Originally Posted by sportyguyfl31

There's one thing in Madden that absolutely burns my oil. The worst throw you can make in Madden is the downfield, one on one throw to a reciever vs. a zone defender. Logic would say, "throw this pass", but what you will see, is a LB, who is beat by a good 2-3 yards by a receiver, be able to bat the ball down, or the pass you throw, leading the reciever into the DB for a INT.

I see I am not the only one that noticed this....

[ANDROMADA 1]

Quote: Originally Posted by The Autumn Wind

This is the one throw type I haven't totally gotten yet either. I can throw every route in the game and enjoy the way it works so long as the matchups are right, but the vertical game is still stumping me a bit. I've seen guys lob balls up to singled-up WR and TE and get some really nice completions, and I've gotten a few myself, but I haven't figured out when to release the ball in the route and with what kind of touch to get a reasonably consistent result. I don't think deep passes should be easy, but I think I should be able to figure out how to wing it so that Jamarcus will put the ball out there to be run under. I feel like you have to know just when in the vertical route to do that. Too early and the QB will throw it like it's a super deep stop pattern, allowing the DB to make a play when he shouldn't be able to. Tips on when's the right time to let 'er rip on those patterns?

We should set up thread to discuss this to make it more effective...I feel it is a league wide problem for most users.

[RogueHominid]

Quote: Originally Posted by ANDROMADA 1

[/b] We should set up thread to discuss this to make it more effective...I feel it is a league wide problem for most users.

Yes, and lab it. I feel like there's a stem point in the route, before which you will throw a stop essentially, right into the coverage, and after which you will throw a proper go down the field, which then will depend on your QB deep accuracy as it should.