NBA Live 10 Video: Shooting & Driving The Lane

[Jano]

This exactly how i interpreted it loadleft the defense is slower with everything on lower difficulties.

This makes the game easier for players that have a hard time getting shots to go in. Not only that but shot timing is easier too.

Your example of you playing with your kids was perfect I think some guys are just not seeing that I guess.

Its been this way in Live for as long as I can remember.

I haven't really payed attention to 2K's rotations so maybe its a little different there and its throwing people off.

But I can definitely tell this is the way it works in Live because the presence of help d is much more prominent on all star and superstar.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

Pared man come on with this crap dude. At least we do know who has played the game bias aside and unless you want to call the dude a liar im more inclined to believe him along with the other examples I posted. Its complete bull. I cant believe you're going on with this help defense crap in another trailer when the devs have stated thats EXACTLY what they did. I dont need to wait for anything because I know someone who doesnt have ties to a game company that played it. I dont care if you arent wowed by the video because im not wowed by the video and I said so, but thats not the point You know good and well help defense was a problem in one of the two basketball games that actually sell and NBA Live wasnt the game. I'll post Czar's account from the finished game, NOT the demo, but the finished product and again, if you choose to ignore it thats on you, but dont think im not going to call you on that trash

Where, in any of that, is help defense discussed? Czar's impressions were about man to man defense and angles. Bodying up individuals and not players coming from the weak side.

You want to keep bringing up "the two games" that actually sell... NBA 2k's help defense is ultimately, bad. It needs work. It's not at the level of Live's defense. Do you feel a little better? What does that have to do with the video, here, that I'm discussing?

As good as the defense was last year, again, I will just have to wait to play the game. Is that really such a bad thing to do?

Perhaps since the videos don't really highlight the in and out game, I'm not seeing it. Which is why I'm waiting for the demo.

I did this same exact thing last year before flying out to play the game in Vancouver. The skepticism was there last year and it's still there. You can't truly experience anything until you've played it. What's the issue then?

[loadleft]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

You pick a good choice. Slower to react, less successful in attempts. Standing there is not the answer. pbz, If you don't have anything to offer on the video, stop posting.

OK, I can go with the slower to react, which incidentally might even cause you to stand there if by the time you do react you can only pick up the foul, but "less successful in attempts" would mean lower shot ratings wouldn't it? So it sounds like the choices would have been poorer rotations or slower reactions on defense. You'd choose slower reactions, I can respect that. Thanks for answering, and I can see your point. I guess, now that you suggested it and if I was picking I would choose that too, but I don't consider the other option to be that bad a choice either.

[23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Where, in any of that, is help defense discussed? Czar's impressions were about man to man defense and angles. Bodying up individuals and not players coming from the weak side. You want to keep bringing up "the two games" that actually sell... NBA 2k's help defense is ultimately, bad. It needs work. It's not at the level of Live's defense. Do you feel a little better? What does that have to do with the video, here, that I'm discussing? As good as the defense was last year, again, I will just have to wait to play the game. Is that really such a bad thing to do? Perhaps since the videos don't really highlight the in and out game, I'm not seeing it. Which is why I'm waiting for the demo. I did this same exact thing last year before flying out to play the game. You can't truly experience anything until you've played it. What's the issue then?

LOL so you're telling me Czar wouldn't have pointed out missing help defense?

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by loadleft

OK, I can go with the slower to react, which incidentally might even cause you to stand there if by the time you do react you can only pick up the foul, but "less successful in attempts" would mean lower shot ratings wouldn't it? So it sounds like the choices would have been poorer rotations or slower reactions on defense. You'd choose slower reactions, I can respect that. Thanks for answering, and I can see your point. I guess, now that you suggested it and if I was picking I would choose that too, but I don't consider the other option to be that bad a choice either.

That's fair enough. Considering most of us won't play below All-Star, it's a non-issue. I understand they're marketing for all the kids to go "oooh!" but sadly this is all I have to go on. If players at least acknowledge what is going on and don't just stand there on the lower difficulties it wouldn't look so bad.

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

LOL so you're telling me Czar wouldn't have pointed out missing help defense?

He didn't point out ANY help defense in his impressions. Neither good or bad.. the player to player D looks to be improved this year. Has that ever been mentioned (by me)? No, because most players in the NBA can't get by their man. We're bringing back an old conversation we had about this last year. As long as the defense has a way to stop the guy in the perimeter, great. Seems like the Post D could benefit more from that as well.

I'm not trying to vilify the guy, so spare it. I love the eye for detail and his enthusiasm in the other areas of the game that needed it. Asking loaded questions to paint an answer I have into a corner is ridiculous, however.

[23]

Whats ridiculous is this. Not only are you tap dancing around my question, but you either think and wont admit, or just dont want to say that Czar would somehow have skipped that part of the game as if it didnt matter when....

He already made a Czarisode about help defense and therefore he would've noticed it in the final version.

What you're doing is going on and on about a trailer's help defense on a lower level and its not that it might be, we know it IS because they told us about it already, and you chose to ignore that to go on about it

I dont know man, im not feeling you on this one at all.

[Pared]

Tapdancing... that's funny. I'm right here.

loadleft obviously brought up a good discussion. Perhaps you missed it. You should go back and read it. Would be a better way to evolve the conversation instead of this back and forth he said she said.

I feel bad for the Czar. People are holding his word as gospel. The Czarisodes were the culmination of months worth of work and observations. To expect him to catch and bring up EVERYTHING in the few days that he was out there is completely unfair. Why? Because I was in the same exact position last year. You're in awe with how great new mechanics feel. ANYONE who has been in that position can tell you that, easily. You're just enjoying gaming. It's a new game, you have fun... you try and break it down, but ultimately you just want to have fun. It's not fair to expect him to catch everything. And the more expectations rise, the bigger the outlash will be.

It has happened with The Show (and the other guys at Community Day that I was with), Madden (and their community guys) and the path is being followed here.

I would use his impressions as a baseline as we wait for the game to drop, not the "holy grail" being used here. Again: That's not fair to him.

[23]

Nobody is taking Czars word as gospel.

Im not talking to loadleft, nor am I talking about The Show.

Im asking you about this lame run on about the help defense. You've played Live a long time and even back in 2004 it had strong help defense, even though it was cheesy so you know it was there because thats the game you played.

I KNOW FOR A FACT help defense was in Live in 2009.

I KNOW FOR A FACT that the devs said they made these videos on lower difficulties to showcase the videos

YOU know too and you're going to act like it was never mentioned

Then I see this post

Quote: Originally Posted by Stumbleweed

Much like the Live videos that were criticized for not showing any defense, I don't think it's really fair to level that critique on a highlight package trailer meant to show off D-Rose, who is as much of an offensive player as they come. It was probably on lower difficulty to make capturing easier as well..

[quote=Pared;2040147301]
Exactly.


Not only are you trying to dismiss Czar as just playing for fun, you say this in the 2k forums then come right in here and start working on the help defense in a trailer meant to show off driving the lane.

Man tell me what the heck is going on with you