No Demo for NHL 2K10

[RealmK]

Quote: Originally Posted by savoie2006

Give me a break. Hardly "blind faith" based on the Gameplay footage that's there and still coming. Seriously, a demo wouldn't have given any better idea of what the AI was capable of. In fact it would have most likely been worse, so I don't see this as blind faith. Now if you want to rent it first and play with sliders, fine, but personally I'm sold that this is going to be the best 2K Hockey game in many years.

Video, of what is prolly a default "sim" preset that doesn't look all that sim with rocket tape to tape passes and esentially zero player diferentation. Yeah I'd call that faith with 2k's history of broken sliders and half *** promises. A well put together demo with slider access would have been the perfect thing to bring the fence sitters on down and help the casuals get a taste of the game this year. Its pretty ironic that the only guys saying demos don't matter are the same guys who were going to buy it regardless and generally are those same guys who have this huge chip on their shoulder about EA.

Needless to say the game does look improved, not that improving over 2k9 is much of a feat and pending that sliders do indeed work properly it'll prolly end up being a pretty decent game this year. A well put together demo would have sealed the deal imo.

[savoie2006]

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Its pretty ironic that the only guys saying demos don't matter are the same guys who were going to buy it regardless and generally are those same guys who have this huge chip on their shoulder about EA.

No chip here.I think if anyone has the chip it would be you, but not for EA. Demos do matter, but they are usually default settings with no slider access, so really they do sports games little justice. Of course ideally a demo with slider access would be great, but the same could be said regarding NHL10. We take what we can get though and go with it. Whatever though, it's your thing. My is pre ordered as of tonight and yes NHL10 will follow shortly after release most likely, on blind faith even.

[RealmK]

Quote: Originally Posted by savoie2006

No chip here.I think if anyone has the chip it would be you, but not for EA. Demos do matter, but they are usually default settings with no slider access, so really they do sports games little justice. Of course ideally a demo with slider access would be great, but the same could be said regarding NHL10. We take what we can get though and go with it. Whatever though, it's your thing. My is pre ordered as of tonight and yes NHL10 will follow shortly after release most likely, on blind faith even.

While there's no slider access in the 10 demo, you do still have options. I play both games, I'm a hockey fan, just because I don't get all excited from a few dev blogs and a meh video that doesn't do the game justice imo or give credit where it isn't due doesn't equate to a chip. The reason I'm big on EA's game currently should be pretty aparent and sensible. Info, lots of it. Actual fan feedback with results in the gameplay, (seperate hum/cpu sliders, board play etc) The dev team communicating on a timely and regular basis. The list goes on as to why I personally give EA the credit I think they deserve for their efforts.

2k on the other hand its been entirely the opposite. I've followed the games industry for quite a few years and while obviously with how the internet is these days with all the blogs, forums and youtubes and the like, people do maybe expect a bit much from developers who are just trying to put together a quality game and thats understandable. However in all those years I have never once seen a game, one especially in a storied gaming franchise like NHL2k is, marketed as poorly as the NHL2k series has the last two years. That anyone can even argue or defend that with a straight face seems pretty telling of that person.

[texbuk84]

i understand 2k. im still getting it though first day already have mine paid for in full

[dorismary]

[quote=RealmK However in all those years I have never once seen a game, one especially in a storied gaming franchise like NHL2k is, marketed as poorly as the NHL2k series has the last two years. That anyone can even argue or defend that with a straight face seems pretty telling of that person.[/quote]

Same here Its very disappointing to see and it cant and shouldnt be defended in any ,way , shape or form .

[Keirik]

Quote: Originally Posted by CarryTheWeight

What if the game, God forbid, happens to be great? Yes, they probably won't get sales right away but if word of mouth spreads we could be talking about... ....wait. Here I go with the "word of mouth" stuff again. Highly, highly unlikely. Groundbreaking titles like Portal, "cult games" like Psychonauts and older NHL games like Hitz Pro thrive and survive on word of mouth. So far, we haven't seen if 2K10 has the "it factor" the games I listed above have. Heck, we don't know what kind of "factor" it has going for it in the first place! So, to make a long story short, who knows what's going to happen. I used this line in a post about 5-6 months to a year ago, but Jerry Cantrell of Alice In Chains opened the song "Grind" with the line, "don't plan my funeral 'til the body dies". I say we wait to conclude how good or bad 2K10 is. Yes, the marketing leaves a heck of a lot to be desired...but we don't know whether or not this game or series will fail until it does. I'm certain many people here are upset but are still willing to give the game a shot. If you don't want to, don't bother. But you can't say it sucks until...it sucks. God forbid the game actually surprises you! And no, that wasn't a "fanboy statement", it's an optimist's statement. I'm just that kind of person.

okay, im confused by your repsonse a little bit. Where did i even say one word about the game being good or bad? I'm assuming you either quoted me in error or are not understanding at all what im saying. I'm simply saying the naysayers have more to complain about, no demo does not help sales, the majorty if gamers dont rent games first before buying, and the majority fence sitters have nothing now to sway their word. People that sit on message boards and buy games via word of mouth are the minorty, not majority.

has nothing to do with fanboys, alice in chians, or anything else.

[Keirik]

Quote: Originally Posted by savoie2006

Give me a break. Hardly "blind faith" based on the Gameplay footage that's there and still coming. Seriously, a demo wouldn't have given any better idea of what the AI was capable of. In fact it would have most likely been worse, so I don't see this as blind faith. Now if you want to rent it first and play with sliders, fine, but personally I'm sold that this is going to be the best 2K Hockey game in many years.

bro, you just defined exactly what blind faith is. You barely have any info and "personally am sold that this is going to be the best 2k hockey game in many years"

really? from what, the few videos, spotty screenshots, and devs and people working with the game telling you so? Thats NOT blind faith?

[kai123]

Quote: Originally Posted by Keirik

bro, you just defined exactly what blind faith is. You barely have any info and "personally am sold that this is going to be the best 2k hockey game in many years" really? from what, the few videos, spotty screenshots, and devs and people working with the game telling you so? Thats NOT blind faith?

And what is so wrong about Blind faith(in video games) NBA Live Fans are doing it(dunno why though). Its ok to do it but no need to attack people. I mean I was doing it with Madden until I played it then, I immediately went back to 2k9/2k5.

If Savoie ends up hating the game, let him hate it, no need to attack him.

As for no demo, NOT bad but NOT good either.

Pros:
-Too many people judge on demos so no demo makes them judge on retail version with good sliders.
-Time was not taken away from original project
-Demos sometimes break games for people.
-Saves time and money plus NHL 10 demo waas horrible(desperate need of sliders)

Cons:
-People live for demos these days
-The people so called on the fence(dunno what that means) weren't gonna buy 2k's game unless it had BAP mode which it doesn't. So with no demo they finally came out with the truth, " wasn't gona buy in the first place.
-Marketing wasn't the greatest, now even more people rip on the marketing.
-People feel like 2k is ashamed to show there new game. We should not act on how we feel people.

So Savoie can think whatever he wants, its a free country, but you attacking him for Blind Faith, negro please.....