NBA 2K10 Draft Combine Trailer

[Jano]

Quote: Originally Posted by Stumbleweed

Of course it's more fluid... it's 2K who has piled animations on top of animations for the last 4 years, it's a pre-made and rendered trailer showing the things they want you to see... the Live video was some German dudes playing like morons on the lowest difficulty setting. Not a fair comparison in the least. Until amateur GamesCom videos leak for 2K10, that comparison is apples to oranges. Anyway, looks good, same smooth animations as last year. Can't tell anything about user control until I play the game though... videos always look nice for 2K games, but that doesn't mean the game plays nice.

I get what your saying stumble and I agree there is a huge difference between looking good and playing good.

Last year I felt like 2K looked great but in terms of control and overall gameplay it was okay. While Live looked downright terrible at times I felt it played a solid game of bball.

Having smooth animations is nice but if it doesn't translate well when I'm actually playing it won't matter to me.

This is why I was able to enjoy Live last year because it played well imo. I will take playing well over looking well almost every time.

Because that is what will keep me playing over the course of a year. Nice animations will only hold me for so long if the gameplay itself isn't that hot which was the case in 2K9.

[NINJAK2]

Quote: Originally Posted by Stumbleweed

Well until they give us a real video, not a trailer, that'll be my stance, which is perfectly reasonable given how disappointing 2K9 was for me. I had the same skepticism about Live, but they're provided a TON of information over the last 2 months and 95% of it has eased my mind and I get the indication that it will be a good-to-great game this year. The movement looks better from that 2 second clip of the cone drill, but again, it's a developer video -- they're not gonna show a guy skittering past the cones and spinning in place like he would have in 2K9. Gotta apply a common sense lens to some of these things as well as a critical eye. No offense taken. I think everyone should be looking at the videos with a skeptical eye though, since every 2K game on next-gen has these buttery animations but have performed to varying degrees of success when it comes to the final product... animations don't mean it's a great game. People who loved 2K9 are probably in heaven watching these vids, but 2K9 was incredibly disappointing to me.

Alright Stumble. I'll leave you alone on this. You certainly were way more dissapointed with 2k9 than I so that explains your pessimism. I certainly had my issues with it as well but not nearly to the point of frustration as you and others.

You can say it was a developer showing off the cone drill as the reason it looked better, but again there is no way a dev could have done that with 2k9. i'd love to see it...that tells me that something may have changed "under the hood" with 2k10.

You continue to be doubtful and I'll continue to be optimistic and we will balance each other out man.

[Stumbleweed]

@Jano

Exactly, and the under-the-hood stuff (from DNA feeding into 60 ratings to authentic playsets to being able to choose how you cover the pick and roll with an OTF menu) has really impressed me for Live. Until 2K starts talking specifics, I'm leaving my judgment open -- they haven't given us much of anything, so it would be unfair to compare the two right now.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by Stumbleweed

Well until they give us a real video, not a trailer, that'll be my stance, which is perfectly reasonable given how disappointing 2K9 was for me. I had the same skepticism about Live, but they're provided a TON of information over the last 2 months and 95% of it has eased my mind and I get the indication that it will be a good-to-great game this year. The movement looks better from that 2 second clip of the cone drill, but again, it's a developer video -- they're not gonna show a guy skittering past the cones and spinning in place like he would have in 2K9. Gotta apply a common sense lens to some of these things as well as a critical eye. No offense taken. I think everyone should be looking at the videos with a skeptical eye though, since every 2K game on next-gen has these buttery animations but have performed to varying degrees of success when it comes to the final product... animations don't mean it's a great game. People who loved 2K9 are probably in heaven watching these vids, but 2K9 was incredibly disappointing to me.

Totally agree. With that said I can't wait until this thing comes out so we can focus on NBA 2K10.

[GSW]

You know what... Im a totaly unbias personand last year i was dissapointed with 2k9

but this looks hot.

aint no future in my frontin

[NINJAK2]

Quote: Originally Posted by Stumbleweed

@Jano Exactly, and the under-the-hood stuff (from DNA feeding into 60 ratings to authentic playsets to being able to choose how you cover the pick and roll with an OTF menu) has really impressed me for Live. Until 2K starts talking specifics, I'm leaving my judgment open -- they haven't given us much of anything, so it would be unfair to compare the two right now.

82 games.com (utilizing stats that tell how often players shoot off dribbles, screens ,etc.), 36 new player tendencies, new playcalling dynamic. There is info out there, 2k just needs to expand on it which is what you are waiting on. Be cool Stumble.

[Stumbleweed]

Heh, but the 2K Insider and his goons are still doing the ratings. In any case, all those things are incredibly vague and tell us next to nothing, so I'm waiting for real info, which will be pouring out in the next 2 weeks I'm sure.

[kurt2134]

Looks really good. The animations are all perfect so I can't even imagine what the full game will look like.