Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

[steelers1]

Quote: Originally Posted by pgtrain42

Roethlisberger makes plays when Brady or Manning would get sacked? Are you serious? Brady and Manning have the best pocket presence in the game, there's a reason that they always get the ball off before getting hit by a defender. On the other hand, Roethlisberger has been the most sacked quarterback in the NFL the last 3 years (46+ each time). You call Brady and Manning system quarterbacks when Big Ben for his first two years was part of a run first offensive attack (not to mention having a defense that was just as good as the Patriots D that won those 3 super bowls in each of his two Super Bowls). Two of the last three years he's nearly had more interceptions than touchdowns (he did in '06 by 5!). I'm not saying Roethlisberger is a bad quarterback, or even mediocre he's still top 5, but until he can stop throwing so many picks and getting sacked so much, he's not in Brady or Mannings class.

'System QBs' are referred to as such because the system they are in allows for good stats. The Steelers system is, like you said, a run first system that doesn't allow for those numbers. Steelers QBs are throwing the football mainly on 3rd downs or when the team is losing (with the occasional 1st and 2nd down long bal). Those aren't easy situations to throw, and Roethlisberger's high QB ratings in his first 2 years show how successful he was.

Ben's only in his 5th year as a starter and threw more picks than TDs in his 3rd year when he was rushed back from a life threatening motorcycle accident and appendectomy, and had a severe concussion midseason. Peyton had more picks than TDs in his rookie season and threw 23 picks his 4th year in the league. Brady has never been an interception thrower, but that's in part because he's a dink-dunker who's only averaged over 11.4 yards/completion 3 times in his career, and when he's averaged more it's due to his receivers having a lot of YAC. As for them being so godly to avoid sack... you're kidding yourself. They have great offensive lines and when faced with pressure they are no better than average. See Tom Brady in Super Bowl 42 and Peyton Manning against the Steelers at home 3 years ago.

I also agree with everything that's been said about Daunte and how Brady and Moss cheaped their way to that record. Anybody remember the 2nd Dolphins game that year when the Pats were shut out in the second half because Brady kept trying to force it to Moss when they were up 28-0 and he threw 2 picks? Manning in 2004 did NOT play that way. And he had a far superior season (in my opinion). Brady threw 81 more passes than Manning and only had 1 more TD and a much lower ypa despite having a higher completion %. Manning also sat out a few 4th quarters when the team was ahead and he only threw 2 passes in the season ender that year while Brady was throwing deep up 40-0.

[LilChris2434]

LOL! Adrian Petersons carry is a 69. Sounds about right. That's the only thing killing us man, the FUMBLES!!!.


~Vikings '09 Be Easy.

[slick1186]

Its official Patrick Willis is going to be a beast in Madden. But whats up with Phillip Rivers TP at 81? Im not going to bash the rating because it might be accurate for him but its still pretty low. And Tom Brady i think should be either a 92-95 range because you generate power from you legs and he is still recovering from the knee injury.

[Obelysk]

Quote: Originally Posted by steelers1

'System QBs' are referred to as such because the system they are in allows for good stats. The Steelers system is, like you said, a run first system that doesn't allow for those numbers. Steelers QBs are throwing the football mainly on 3rd downs or when the team is losing (with the occasional 1st and 2nd down long bal). Those aren't easy situations to throw, and Roethlisberger's high QB ratings in his first 2 years show how successful he was.

Interesting because the Steelers had 506 passing attempts compared to their 460 rushing attempts.

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Ben's only in his 5th year as a starter and threw more picks than TDs in his 3rd year when he was rushed back from a life threatening motorcycle accident and appendectomy, and had a severe concussion midseason. Peyton had more picks than TDs in his rookie season and threw 23 picks his 4th year in the league. Brady has never been an interception thrower, but that's in part because he's a dink-dunker who's only averaged over 11.4 yards/completion 3 times in his career, and when he's averaged more it's due to his receivers having a lot of YAC. As for them being so godly to avoid sack... you're kidding yourself. They have great offensive lines and when faced with pressure they are no better than average. See Tom Brady in Super Bowl 42 and Peyton Manning against the Steelers at home 3 years ago.

Dink and dunk huh? in 2007 Brady was 2nd with Passes over 40 yards (behind Farve) and 1st with passes of over 20 yards. Okay may be its not fair since all we did in 2007 was pass right? Lets look at other years shall we? In 2006 when Brady had Cadwell and Gaffney as his #1 and #2 WRs he was 8th in passes of over 20 yards (manning 4th) and 8th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning 14h). 2005, Brady was 6th in passes of over 20 yards (Manning 1st) and 4th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning was 15th). Again in 2004 Brady was 6th in passes of over 20 yards (Manning 1st) and 5th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning 4th). I am sorry that is not "dinkin and dunkin." As far as pressure they are good but yes when the pocket completely collapses they are not nearly as effective, but I do have to say that our line is not as good as people think. After Brady went down our oline procedeed to give up the most sacks in the league, coinciden? Or did Brady make them look better than they are?

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I also agree with everything that's been said about Daunte and how Brady and Moss cheaped their way to that record. Anybody remember the 2nd Dolphins game that year when the Pats were shut out in the second half because Brady kept trying to force it to Moss when they were up 28-0 and he threw 2 picks? Manning in 2004 did NOT play that way. And he had a far superior season (in my opinion). Brady threw 81 more passes than Manning and only had 1 more TD and a much lower ypa despite having a higher completion %. Manning also sat out a few 4th quarters when the team was ahead and he only threw 2 passes in the season ender that year while Brady was throwing deep up 40-0.

Manning also playe all of his home games in a dome, and 1 more against the Texans, that is a total of 9 games in a dome while Brady played only 1 (in Indy) in a dome. Brady also did it against better defenses than Manning did:

Colts defenses' played:

Patriots 9th
Packers 25th
Jaguars 11th
Raiders 30th
Chiefs 31st
Texans 23rd
Vikings 28th
Bears 21th
Lions 22nd
Titans 27th
Ravens 6th
Chargers 18th
Broncos 4th

Average rank: 20th

Patriots' defenses played:

Jets 18th
Chargers 14th
Bills 31st
Dolphins 23rd
Cowboys 9th
Redskins 8th
Giants 7th
Ravens 6th
Steelers 1st
Browns 30th
Bengals 27th
Colts 3rd
Eagles 10th

Average rank: 14th

As you can see Brady played against better competition and in worst conditions than Manning. Also Brady had 2 rushing TDs that year Manning had 0 in 04, Brady could have easily thrown those. Is not Brady's fault that the defenses couldn't stop him.

[PYA-MUSTANG86]

That's BS Aaron Rodgers is clearely better then Jay ****ler, yet ****ler is on the list and A-Rod isn't. Do you people even watch football? And Greg Jennings is better then half those WR's, like Steve Smith, TO, Boldin, and White. Jennings should be at least a 95 overall. And where is Nick Collins on that list? He had 80 tackles, 7 INT's, and 3 TD. and that is not good for at least a 94? I am sick of the big market team bias when it comes to Madden. Every year the Packers are low balled and I'm sick and tired of it.

[Obelysk]

Quote: Originally Posted by PYA-MUSTANG86

That's BS Aaron Rodgers is clearely better then Jay ****ler, yet ****ler is on the list and A-Rod isn't. Do you people even watch football? And Greg Jennings is better then half those WR's, like Steve Smith, TO, Boldin, and White. Jennings should be at least a 95 overall. And where is Nick Collins on that list? He had 80 tackles, 7 INT's, and 3 TD. and that is not good for at least a 94? I am sick of the big market team bias when it comes to Madden. Every year the Packers are low balled and I'm sick and tired of it.

Jennings hasn't had better back to back season than any of those players you mentioned other than Boldin. But I do agree that he should be like a 91.

[ElDoceHombre]

How is T.O. still considered a Top 10 receiver...That's the most ******** **** I've seen in a while. There are plenty of WRs in the league that are better than him, but of course if you don't give the "star player" AKA Media Whore a decent rating then that would hurt Madden 10's appeal now wouldn't it?

[PYA-MUSTANG86]

It's nothing shgort of an absolute joke that Tony Romo is in the top 15 let alone top 10. When the hell will Madden realize that he sucks? By the 1st update he will be around an 80 overall, being that he has no one to throw to now. Mark my words.