Three Things MVP 05 Still Does Better

[MrOctober430]

After playing the Show for the first time today, I felt like MVP05 was so far ahead of it's time. I just hate the pitching in the Show & baserunning is awful, but that's just me.

Still will give it a chance since theres no other baseball games out there.

[Bumble14]

Quote: Originally Posted by jim416

He got some facts wrong, just wondering about this being in this forum. If we can't start threads comparing MLB2k and The Show, why this one? If you or I would have put a comparison here it probably would have been closed.

What facts did I get wrong Jim? Brian attempted to say that PCI mimicked MVP 05's left stick 1:1 influence- this is flat out not true. PCI may work to influence the direction of the ball on certain pitches (even Brian admits that "there are other factors" that go into where you hit the ball besides PCI influence), but MVP would attempt to take the ball the direction you wanted on every pitch. If you wanted to try and pull an outside pitch, no matter how ill advised, at least you had the option to try in MVP- your batters arms through the zone were completely under your control. There is a huge difference between the two hitting models, and my article was pointing out that I preferred the control MVP gave me at the plate.

I don't really have an issue with people knocking the article, but trust me when I say that there was a lot of research and play testing that occurred before it was written. My facts are not incorrect- Brian is incorrect by making users believe left stick (pci) influence in The Show is true 1:1 swing influence like in MVP.

[SoxChamp]

Quote: Originally Posted by Imnus

I hope you guys put a really good gameplay tutorial next year so I don't have to read about people complaining about the game just because they suck at it, and don't give a damm about trying to learn the mechanics, just want the game to play the way they want. Look for the Training mode in Pro Evolution Soccer so you guys get an idea how to do it.

Do you honestly think that the people who are complaining about hitting are going to take the time to use a tutorial or training mode? It's much easier to run to a message board and gripe and complain.

[Imnus]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxChamp

Do you honestly think that the people who are complaining about hitting are going to take the time to use a tutorial or training mode? It's much easier to run to a message board and gripe and complain.

Yes, you're right. But if you've ever played PES Training mode you'll see that it's much more appealing than the guide in The Show.

[Imnus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bumble14

What facts did I get wrong Jim? Brian attempted to say that PCI mimicked MVP 05's left stick 1:1 influence- this is flat out not true. PCI may work to influence the direction of the ball on certain pitches (even Brian admits that "there are other factors" that go into where you hit the ball besides PCI influence), but MVP would attempt to take the ball the direction you wanted on every pitch. If you wanted to try and pull an outside pitch, no matter how ill advised, at least you had the option to try in MVP- your batters arms through the zone were completely under your control. There is a huge difference between the two hitting models, and my article was pointing out that I preferred the control MVP gave me at the plate. I don't really have an issue with people knocking the article, but trust me when I say that there was a lot of research and play testing that occurred before it was written. My facts are not incorrect- Brian is incorrect by making users believe left stick (pci) influence in The Show is true 1:1 swing influence like in MVP.

I don't think Brian ever say that The Show tried to mimick how swing influence worked in MVP, he just said how it worked on it's own, it's not trying to be like MVP that's why you'll never like it.

While you hope they implement those MVP features you prefer, I really hope they never will. And I could too write an article "with a lot of previous research", and demostrate how everything on The Show is so much better than MVP except fielding.

[jim416]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bumble14

What facts did I get wrong Jim? Brian attempted to say that PCI mimicked MVP 05's left stick 1:1 influence- this is flat out not true. PCI may work to influence the direction of the ball on certain pitches (even Brian admits that "there are other factors" that go into where you hit the ball besides PCI influence), but MVP would attempt to take the ball the direction you wanted on every pitch. If you wanted to try and pull an outside pitch, no matter how ill advised, at least you had the option to try in MVP- your batters arms through the zone were completely under your control. There is a huge difference between the two hitting models, and my article was pointing out that I preferred the control MVP gave me at the plate. I don't really have an issue with people knocking the article, but trust me when I say that there was a lot of research and play testing that occurred before it was written. My facts are not incorrect- Brian is incorrect by making users believe left stick (pci) influence in The Show is true 1:1 swing influence like in MVP.

Not you, the person who wrote the article. The problem with this entire thread is people aren't even bothering to read what the dev wrote regarding the hitting. They're taking what was factually wrong, running with it, and like Brian said, it becomes an urban legend.

This thread should be moved to the MVP forums as this would have never survived this long had I, or anyone else posted it. It's become a "What's Better MVP or The Show". Just saying, if I would have posted this it would have been closed, and rightfully so, and we would have been told that there is an "impressions thread", lol. That's all.

It's taken on a life of it's own, MVP vs. The Show.

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And this is even more overated than MVP. This game is even worst than last year The Show (Glitch) version.

[Bumble14]

Quote: Originally Posted by jim416

Not you, the person who wrote the article. The problem with this entire thread is people aren't even bothering to read what the dev wrote regarding the hitting. They're taking what was factually wrong, running with it, and like Brian said, it becomes an urban legend. This thread should be moved to the MVP forums as this would have never survived this long had I, or anyone else posted it. It's become a "What's Better MVP or The Show". Just saying, if I would have posted this it would have been closed, and rightfully so, and we would have been told that there is an "impressions thread", lol. That's all. It's taken on a life of it's own, MVP vs. The Show.

Jim-

I wrote the article- I'm Christian McLeod.

There was nothing factually wrong about what I wrote about The Show's hitting system. The bottom line is that PCI is not 1:1 left stick hitting like in MVP. That is EXACTLY what I talked about in my article, and even in Brian's response he admits that along with PCI there are other factors that go into into what determines where a ball is hit in The Show. I never said one thing in the article that was not factual about the hitting system in The Show.

I agree with you though in that people are not reading this article. What I think many people are not understanding is that I said I enjoy the game immensely, and have it on my short list of GOTY. That being said- there are certain areas that MVP still does better than The Show, and those were clearly defined in my article.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Imnus

While you hope they implement those MVP features you prefer, I really hope they never will. And I could too write an article "with a lot of previous research", and demostrate how everything on The Show is so much better than MVP except fielding.

Agreed. I despised MVP's hitting system. It would be very disappointing if it was implemented in The Show.