Madden NFL 10 Video: Pro-TAK Animation System

[TheWatcher]

Quote: Originally Posted by hmoob

TheWatcher, you claim to be objective but you've said nothing but bad things about BB when you (and all of us) have basically seen nothing about the game.

Nonsense.

Go back and read. I've said several times since I've been here that the tech being used for BB is great and that the game looks great. I've said it in this thread as well. But I am not going to sit here and profess blind love for a game that hasn't proven a damn thing yet because it hasn't had a single release yet. I'll let you do that because clearly that's your agenda.

Quote: Originally Posted by hmoob

You should be neutral towards them. Yet, you ride on the p*nis of a game that has failed you 4 years in a row. I smell fanboy. Edit: Lol, I read the post again and realized you were just spewing a bunch of BS based on things you made up in that head of yours. Unbelievable.

What the hell are you talking about? That's such a classless statement, on top of it being incredibly inaccurate.

Have you read my signatures before my latest one up now? Did you read ANYTHING about what I did at community day? Obviously, you did not. Rather than running your mouth, take a second and READ for a change. If you had actually taken the time to read rather than running your mouth, you would know that I am a rabid 2K fan. I have absolutely hated Madden since after the 1998 game. I didn't get screwed for 4 years because 08 and 09 are the only Madden games I've purchased, and I rented 09 first because 08 was terrible!

You have no clue as to what you're talking about concerning me, but you insist on running your mouth as if you do

[TheWatcher]

Quote: Originally Posted by hmoob

Lol, you'll support Madden to no end, even though it screwed you 4 times, in the a**. You're just really uneducated in a lot of things.

"Uneducated on a lot of things"

LOL. I think anyone who has followed my posting or who knows me personally would disagree with your incredibly incorrect and absurd statement. But I'll let you believe that lie if it makes you feel better. Not a single thing I said concerning BB in that post was wrong, and the reason I can be 100% sure of it is because a lot of it comes from NM themselves. But now I guess THEY'RE wrong too and YOU'RE right? LOL. Like I said kid, keep believing lies.

Also, how am I "supporting Madden to no end?" Are you serious? You need to go ask somebody because you are completely wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. Again, stop running your mouth for a second on things you have no clue about concerning me, do a search, and read my posts about Madden. Unless you simply refuse to believe the truth you will think differently about me "supporting Madden to no end". I mean, the very idea of that is laughable, lol.

Anyway, I'm gonna say peace to you now because you're on my ignore list. I wish to have intelligent, mature conversations and for the most part I do get that here at OS. I don't come to get into BS and you clearly have a different agenda.

[TheWatcher]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Valderez, just an FYI on who you are dealing with here. People take so many assumptions on the net. The Watcher is avid 2k fan. He was one of the people that were chosen by Ian for CD. Ian selected a great person with constructive criticism of past Maddens. The Watcher brought a game of 2k5 with him and announced to everyone that if Madden 10 wasn't as good as 2k5, he would start playing 2k5. 2k5 never came out of the case. The Watcher can verify that with me when he returns, but that was the story that was told on CD. The Watcher , to my knowledge, is not a fan of past Maddens. Just an FYI.

All of that is true Road, and thanks for speaking on that

How did I suddenly become labeled as a fanboy? Did all of my countless posts trashing the problems in Madden disappear? Did I suddenly become a different guy? LOL. Are these people serious?

I think what may be clouding their judgement is that I also say something constructive in my posts about Madden rather than just exploding without explaining anything. It would be great if they tried that approach, too.

[tennesseetitans]

I'm probably going to get Back Breaker just because of the technology under the hood (I love that kind of stuff), but having now seen the 11 on 11 running and passing game in motion, I can easily say that Back Breaker is not the simulation type game that I really want.

In fact, I'm not even sure why people are comparing M10 to BB. They are truly very different games. This year's Madden, more so than past years, is attempting to realistically portray the sport of football, as it is seen on the field in real life. BB is obviously putting more emphasis on the casual perception of football (big plays and big hits). There's room on the market for both, but they are not even in the same genre.

[hmoob]

Quote:

"The Watcher brought a game of 2k5 with him and announced to everyone that if Madden 10 wasn't as good as 2k5, he would start playing 2k5. 2k5 never came out of the case."

He probably picked up the game for 50 cents at Gamestop on the way there.

[TheWatcher]

Quote: Originally Posted by hmoob

He probably picked up the game for 50 cents at Gamestop on the way there.

^^^ Caught this while logging back in (unfortunately)... and there you go again running your mouth not knowing what you're talking about, LOL.

FYI, I created the NFL 2K5 Enhancement Pak back in 2006 (go read up on it) which was featured at the 2K Website for a quite a while and was all over the net. I also ran a board for it, and had a mail-in memory card service for loading the pak files for users from which I garnered literally thousands of users in the U.S. and several foreign countries (which actually surprised me).

You just don't know what you're talking about!

Dude, for your own sake, why don't you just give it up?

EDIT: I should just mention again that I cannot read anymore of your posts, and only caught this one because when you're not logged in the IL function is not in effect.

[TheWatcher]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

Actually I think we should go over each hit, because your statement is obscenely incorrect. The outcome look the same? As if his weight doesn't matter? That's the entire purpose of Euphoria. Are you sure your not watching tackling in Madden by mistake? In the IGN video I posted, the offensive player falls forward based on real world physics. At :30 he gets hit and continues forward until hit again At :32 again, he falls forward At :37 seconds he falls forward (clearly) Backbreaker at IGN.com The only time he's not falling forward is when there is a clear / solid hit to the midsection, at which point both players stop, but movement is still a little forward, as would be expected.

You're missing the point. Falling forward is not the benchmark on how each outcome should be, lol. There is also a big difference between falling forward because you plowed through and used weight to do it, and being blown up forward, lol.

Further, there was no fight in the two-man gang tackles where he went backwards. He got hit, he went down, play over. You're telling me that a pro back goes down like that on a regular basis? C'mon.

The point is that the level of contact is extreme. You can attempt to do those things in other football games, but for the most part the ballcarriers reaction will not be a hard fall, being blown up every time. You cannot me tell that this isn't the case in that video. You've gotta be kidding me.

Try that in 2K5 or APF. You can't, and if you do the ballcarriers reaction will not be even nearly the same. There is a fight taking place especially in APF and that's pretty damn realistic. These tackles in BB look cool, but the blowing up is all extreme scenario stuff. All the stuff in the air... it's like they're part acrobats, lol.

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

Did you even watch the entire video?

Yes, I've watched it many times over the past year and I disagree with you on how it translates. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

Your comments seem to be based off just a couple of the tackles.

Nope. My comments are based on all of them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

As far as the NFL goes, I would wager it looks a lot more violent the closer you are to the action. I'm sure some of the guys who padded up can attest to that.

That can be said of any level of football. But at the same time, what's happening in every tackle in BB does not happen on every tackle in real life. BB is taking extremes and making them the norm. If that happened in real life on every tackle, Sportscenter would be 12 hours long, lol.

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

Out of curiosity, do you honestly think Madden '09 accurately represeted the type of hitting/tackling you see on Sunday?

I think as of 09 it needs a lot of work and the game as a whole hasn't been what we see on Sunday's. Backbreaker looks like it's in the same boat, it just looks smoother.

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

The lack of momentum in Madden has nothing to do with controls. It has do with how players move, pick up speed, change direction, finish out runs, and with relation to this thread - make tackles. There's absolutely no feel of momentum in Madden. If Madden is all you have played, then I can understand why you perceive there to be such a disparity between Madden and the videos we have on backbreaker, because they are literally night and day.

Wow. Where have you been? I think everybody knows that I'm a MASSIVE 2K fan. If anything, I have less of a point of reference with Madden over the past 10 years than I do with any other football games that have come out in that period.

Also, I'm going to have to disagree with the notion that control has nothing to do with momentum and all of that other stuff, and that may be because we have a different definition of what that means. I know for a fact that control feel can be modified in development which is what they've done for Madden 10. While there are plenty of new animations, a lot of things have been modified and along with that must be mods to response times... and you'll see what I mean when you play the game this season. They've done a very good job this year.

Nothing is perfect in any game, but the advancement with Madden is there this year.

[hmoob]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheWatcher

^^^ Caught this while logging back in (unfortunately)... and there you go again running your mouth not know what you're talking about, LOL. FYI, I created the NFL 2K5 Enhancement Pak back in 2006 (go read up on it) which was featured at the 2K Website for a quite a while and was all over the net. I also ran a board for it, and had a mail-in memory card service for loading the pak files for user from which I garned literally thousands of users in the U.S. and several foreign countries (which actually surprised me). You just don't know what you're talking about! Dude, for your own sake, why you don't you just give it up?

TheWatcher, you really love bringing attention to yourself. You're doing it again trying to impress me with all your accomplishments. It's the internet, no one's impressed by words.

The bottom line is, BB hasn't given us enough info for us to judge what type of game it's going to be. What they have shown us are things never before seen in a football game. Every football fan should be stoked about something as revolutionary as Euphoria. Sure, they haven't given us a lot of info, but that doesn't give us the right to bash it. I've seen people bash the game BECAUSE of lack of info. So if there's hate/criticism for the game at this stage, it's blind hate/Madden Fanboyism/ignorance.

After E3, bash it all you want. I might even join you, because I want on the field on-the-field experience that BB is going to have, but I still want it sim. Until then, everything is speculation.

I heard this somewhere: "The internet, where speculation trumps facts."