Madden NFL 10 Video: Pro-TAK Animation System

[fourthreemafia]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

Hypocrisy? Seriously?

Okay...instead of just repeating what I said, how about telling me how that ISNT hypocritical?

It would be one thing if there was a ton of info out on BB and people were so excited, but I see a ton of people saying "Im not buying Madden until it proves itself", but go on to say "I cant wait until Backbreaker comes out"

That, my friend, is the very definition of a hypocrite.

I can understand BB has promise, and its fine that people are excited about it, but to say Madden has to prove itself, yet BB somehow does not...well, I dont know what to say to that.

And yes, Madden has a bad track record over the last few years, but BB has absolutely NO track record, and the company making it has NO track record of making football games. If it was a 2K sports game, itd be a little more understandable.

If people want to say BB is the Madden killer...fine, I just dont really want to see it here, at least until Madden 2010 AND Backbreaker come out in playable form and people can legitimately make that claim. Now, all it is is a ridiculous claim that cannot be backed up at all. I guess cooler tackles and physics is enough to win some people over, but there are no real info out on presentation, gameplay, franchise or online mode....all the things people on here are crushing Madden for.

So yes...SERIOUSLY....HYPOCRISY.

[Valdarez]

Quote: Originally Posted by fourthreemafia

Okay...instead of just repeating what I said, how about telling me how that ISNT hypocritical? It would be one thing if there was a ton of info out on BB and people were so excited, but I see a ton of people saying "Im not buying Madden until it proves itself", but go on to say "I cant wait until Backbreaker comes out" That, my friend, is the very definition of a hypocrite. I can understand BB has promise, and its fine that people are excited about it, but to say Madden has to prove itself, yet BB somehow does not...well, I dont know what to say to that. And yes, Madden has a bad track record over the last few years, but BB has absolutely NO track record, and the company making it has NO track record of making football games. If it was a 2K sports game, itd be a little more understandable. If people want to say BB is the Madden killer...fine, I just dont really want to see it here, at least until Madden 2010 AND Backbreaker come out in playable form and people can legitimately make that claim. Now, all it is is a ridiculous claim that cannot be backed up at all. I guess cooler tackles and physics is enough to win some people over, but there are no real info out on presentation, gameplay, franchise or online mode....all the things people on here are crushing Madden for. So yes...SERIOUSLY....HYPOCRISY.

I did explain it, in full. Quoting just part of my reply is more than a bit disingenuous.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...its-wip-5.html

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

Exactly, and a very bad one (with regard to Madden's track record) for going on half a decade now. Couple that with the exclusive NFL license and what you see isn't hypocrisy, it's an informed decision on the part of the buyer. I'll support any game that looks new and interesting and whose premise looks like something I would enjoy and especially a game that is pushing the boundaries of game play. I won't support a game that historically failed to live up to it's basic tenet, namely representing a realistic game of football. Again, not hypocrisy, if anything, that's living up to your beliefs.

As was pointed out Madden has a track record, backbreaker doesn't. BackBreaker is also showcasing a very new and highly attractive technology at the core of their game, Madden has ProTak, but it's no where near as sexy.

As for your claims about BB being a Madden killer, the only time I have seen that on this thread is from you.

[Valdarez]

Found a new game play video of backbreaker. It's definitely not simulation.

http://www.walsh-designs.com/bfl/ps3...s/GEDC1872.MOV

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http://www.operationsports.com/forum...there-yet.html


This should explain alot. Thanks, Ian!

[sooners52794]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

I don't agree about the consensus assessment, the responses thus far in this thread alone show case disparity on the that view. There's a saying that perception is reality, and I think a lot of each of our view is perception based. Folks who have played Madden for years are going to perceive it differently than folks who have played 2K games, especially APF2K8 where momentum is very real. I'll give you that there are some big hits in that video, because there are, especially at the start, but they aren't all spectacular.

i agree half the tackles in tacke alley were realistic looking tackles, and they all didnt look explosive... if so-and-so says that players wont be so agressive in the real game, then ill take his word, because i saw a few wrap ups and one where they just crashed (not like ragdolls) and i could imagine it looking pretty normal from a regular camera angle. i think that guy is wrong saying that its the consensus, but from reading his comments it liiks like his opinion isnt changing anytime soon, so i wouldnt bother..

[adembroski]

Quote: Originally Posted by LBzrule

I actually think the latest backbreaker tackles looks the most violent and look like real collisions.

Collisions look real, yeah, but I don't particularly like seeing my players leaving their feet for every tackle/broken tackle. The animation system looks promising, but in terms of fundamental football, it looks horrible.

[Valdarez]

Quote: Originally Posted by adembroski

Collisions look real, yeah, but I don't particularly like seeing my players leaving their feet for every tackle/broken tackle. The animation system looks promising, but in terms of fundamental football, it looks horrible.

They aren't leaving their feet every time. That camera angle (from the foot view) just gives the appearance. Watch the video I posted again and you'll see.

[sooners52794]

Quote: Originally Posted by fourthreemafia

Okay...instead of just repeating what I said, how about telling me how that ISNT hypocritical? It would be one thing if there was a ton of info out on BB and people were so excited, but I see a ton of people saying "Im not buying Madden until it proves itself", but go on to say "I cant wait until Backbreaker comes out" That, my friend, is the very definition of a hypocrite. I can understand BB has promise, and its fine that people are excited about it, but to say Madden has to prove itself, yet BB somehow does not...well, I dont know what to say to that. And yes, Madden has a bad track record over the last few years, but BB has absolutely NO track record, and the company making it has NO track record of making football games. If it was a 2K sports game, itd be a little more understandable. If people want to say BB is the Madden killer...fine, I just dont really want to see it here, at least until Madden 2010 AND Backbreaker come out in playable form and people can legitimately make that claim. Now, all it is is a ridiculous claim that cannot be backed up at all. I guess cooler tackles and physics is enough to win some people over, but there are no real info out on presentation, gameplay, franchise or online mode....all the things people on here are crushing Madden for. So yes...SERIOUSLY....HYPOCRISY.

i think a majority of people will buy it for a change of pace, and thats really it. im puzzled myself of how backbreaker could even have a franchise lol, but im not a developer... and another thing, those things should already be SOLID when theyre modes based on the league that theyre trying to simulate! its not hypocricy when people want to buy a game to have a change of pace (that might not even be 60 dollars) because the things that they want changed are for the most part there. its not hypocricy when people want to rent a game like madden first to get a feel for it and see if its the expierence that they want before buying it because theyve been disapointed before, and to buy another game because theyve seen enough to be satisfied already, and dont have as high standards because its just a change of pace.

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For example, youre an nfl team and you want to pick up two free agent rb's. runningback a is a solid backup, with adequate speed and lots of strength, and hes likely gonna get the job done, which is going to be get 5-10 carries a game. you sign him right away, right? then you have another runningback, a former first round pick who has had several mvp worthy seasons, but the past few years has torn both acl's and is just about done rehabbing. his future could go either way: he could come in and have a 1200+ yd season and his knees could get stronger than they were before. or he could tear both acl's again and be set back again and not be worth the money you spend. heres what i do-i take rb A because while he might not have as much upside, hes going to do his job that you expect, which might differ for teams but is generally the same-not starting. i would then work out runningback b and see if hes worth the money (like a demo for madden or renting madden, but you cant rent players lol) and if hes as good as it appears just because his knees appear to be healed. if hes not what i expec, i dont sign him (meaning another sad year of ps2 madden). or he does an excellent job, and his knees are as strong as i think they are, so i make the big investment of my hard earned 60 dollars in him and i am once again satisfied about buying 360 over ps3 despite previous dissapointments in madden and ncaa football and ps3 having arguably the greatest sports game ever concieved, you know....