Madden NFL 10 Video: Pro-TAK Animation System

[hmoob]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheWatcher

I'm aware of that. That was not the point I was leaning against, but I will clarify in a moment... LOL. Wrong. Let me guess... you don't know me and you just assumed something about my knowledge which you actually don't know? Yep, except what I am stating is fact so that's a moot point. The point I am making about what BB is, and the same point I've made several times, is that the technology is far less nailed to predetermined set number of points like standard Motion capture, which is why you can get so much randomness in the tackling (something NM has touted an awful lot), and this is great... The fact that it's physics engine independent is great also and it sounds wonderful, but it's yet to be proven solid for a football game. The advantage of traditional MoCap for football is that you can more intently forge animations that look like football. There is really no debate here, because all one has to do is watch one video of BackBreaker and they can see all sorts of movements, reactions and hits that simply do not look like football, except for in its extreme cases. I laugh when people trash Madden's movements and then point to BB, when in fact a great deal of BB's movements and outcomes are totally arcade, too. Has there been ONE solid wrap tackle shown yet? One solid group wrap? I haven't seen any of that from BB yet (and I doubt those things exist), but if you have a clip please post.

Lol, you'll support Madden to no end, even though it screwed you 4 times, in the a**. You're just really uneducated in a lot of things.

Also, that Pro-Tak gang-tackling looks like they're having a group hugs.

[hmoob]

Quote: Originally Posted by TDogg09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVh0n...layer_embedded That's pretty arcady in my opinion. I'm guessing by that statement though, going for an "Any Given Sunday" feel, it means really exaggerating what happens in football, which is not sim, it's more arcade.

Since you like Madden, I'm guessing your opinion of sim and arcade is pretty distorted anyways.

I can confidently say that you will buy Backbreaker when it comes out.

[TDogg09]

Quote: Originally Posted by hmoob

I can confidently say that you will buy Backbreaker when it comes out.

And you would be right. I am going to buy both Madden and Backbreaker. I can confidently say that the Backbreaker guys aren't focusing as much on "sim" as Ian is.

And if you think a guy getting flipped twice in the air (as per the "Any Given Sunday" trailer) is realism, I think you aren't quite sure what sim is either

[icomb1ne]

Quote: Originally Posted by hmoob

Since you like Madden, I'm guessing your opinion of sim and arcade is pretty distorted anyways.

[hmoob]

Quote: Originally Posted by TDogg09

And you would be right. I am going to buy both Madden and Backbreaker. I can confidently say that the Backbreaker guys aren't focusing as much on "sim" as Ian is.

I can also confidently say that you will play BB much more than Madden. I doubt you will tell me the truth when the time comes though, and you don't have to, because I'll be playing BB more also

[TDogg09]

Quote: Originally Posted by hmoob

I can also confidently say that you will play BB much more than Madden. I doubt you will tell me the truth when the time comes though, and you don't have to, because I'll be playing BB more also

I wouldn't know the answer yet. You may be right, you may be wrong. I'm pretty psyched about both Madden and Backbreaker, so I will probably play them both quite a bit.

And if you are right, at least i'll have a couple months to play Madden before Backbreaker comes out

[kmart2180]

Quote: Originally Posted by hmoob

I can also confidently say that you will play BB much more than Madden. I doubt you will tell me the truth when the time comes though, and you don't have to, because I'll be playing BB more also

Then I can confidently assume you prefer arcadey/Blitz like football then sim style football. There is nothing wrong with that. I much prefer the slower paced sim but we all have are own likes/dislikes.

[hmoob]

Quote: Originally Posted by kmart2180

Then I can confidently assume you prefer arcadey/Blitz like football then sim style football. There is nothing wrong with that. I much prefer the slower paced sim but we all have are own likes/dislikes.

Football is anything but slow paced, my boy. It may look slow-paced on TV, but things are as fast as can be on the field. And that's what BB is aiming for. BB is simulation, just from a different perspective, and if you call that arcade, you need to read a dictionary.