MLB 09: The Show Patch Released 4/27/09 - Impressions and Discussion Here

[DrUrsus]

It took me 5 minutes with the game after I bought it to see that CPU roster control ON (lineups) did not work. Doesn't take much testing there. It was either an oversight or they released the game knowing it wasn't working, but did not have the time or ability to fix it.
I agree with Jim on why he thinks it wasn't patched (auto-fix of lineups).

Why they thought they fixed it though and listed it as fixed in the recent patch was a glaring oversight. It took me just a few minutes again to see it wasn't working correctly.

I am happy with the gameplay itself, and I think they did a great job with it.

OK, here comes the obligatory food analogy, lol.

It's like ordering dinner at a steak restaurant. The steak is great (one of the best you ever had), but the salad is wilted, the bread is dry, and when you tell them your whiskey sour has a fly in it, they bring you back an amaretto sour back, lol.

Whether you go back to that restaurant is going to depend on whether you can overlook the other stuff because the steak was great or you just can't. Is it the only steak house in town? Did the restaurant at least try to make it right? If they tried and failed, can you accept that? Is it the attempt that matters to you or is it the outcome that only matters.

We all have our own opinions and have to make that decision for ourselves.

[jim416]

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=DrUrsus;2039531325]It took me 5 minutes with the game after I bought it to see that CPU roster control ON (lineups) did not work. Doesn't take much testing there. It was either an oversight or they released the game knowing it wasn't working, but did not have the time or ability to fix it. I agree with Jim on why he thinks it wasn't patched (auto-fix of lineups). Why they thought they fixed it though and listed it as fixed in the recent patch was a glaring oversight. It took me just a few minutes again to see it wasn't working correctly.

When I tested this at the event, it worked. Not every team generates a messed up lineup when you start your franchise. I know I tested Pitts, St Lo, Mil, and a couple others and it looked fine. Had I tested Colorado I would have nailed it (Helton leading off), or Toronto (with the Bautista thing at 3rd starting over Rolen). Perhaps they didn't test EVERY team and I can understand that.

Repeating myself again, as this thread is way too cluttered with arguing, when I did a dramatic test of St Lo, sending Pujols down for some unknown OFer and did AUTO FIX, it worked great. Did the same with a couple other teams and it worked.

I'd like to set lineups and have them stick, but with some fixes (it's a workaround) they stick really well regardless and I call up and send down guys daily (just like real time).

[nemesis04]

Quote: Originally Posted by ~Guru~

i find it comical that some of you are actually trying to convince people that this horrible patch is no big deal because all games have bugs and scea q&a are human and cant find all faults. yea the game is playable because i put it on and it works...but it does not work the way it is intended.....but is ok i guess because all games have bugs and scea is just human what was i thinking expecting to get what i paid for funny thing is that these issues were not there last year...i guess they were not human last year

I am not trying to convince anyone but I am glad you find it comical!

I am sure there a quite a few things in your life you have shelled out more money on and have gotten less out of it. You make it sound like you bought a baseball game and got nothing!

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by nemesis04

I am not trying to convince anyone but I am glad you find it comical! I am sure there a quite a few things in your life you have shelled out more money on and have gotten less out of it. You make it sound like you bought a baseball game and got nothing!

This argument won't hold water.

Again, as this continues to hold true: perspective, gentlemen.

[DrUrsus]

Quote: Originally Posted by jim416

When I tested this at the event, it worked. Not every team generates a messed up lineup when you start your franchise. I know I tested Pitts, St Lo, Mil, and a couple others and it looked fine. Had I tested Colorado I would have nailed it (Helton leading off), or Toronto (with the Bautista thing at 3rd starting over Rolen). Perhaps they didn't test EVERY team and I can understand that. Repeating myself again, as this thread is way too cluttered with arguing, when I did a dramatic test of St Lo, sending Pujols down for some unknown OFer and did AUTO FIX, it worked great. Did the same with a couple other teams and it worked. I'd like to set lineups and have them stick, but with some fixes (it's a workaround) they stick really well regardless and I call up and send down guys daily (just like real time).

Yes, I remember you stating that, and I certainly am not blaming you or anyone else from O.S. That is not your job to know every scenario to test.
To clarify, I am not really referring to lineups in general (CPU roster control OFF), but lineups with CPU roster control ON. When I got the game, and after the patch, I placed the catcher in the leadoff spot. Very rarely would the CPU go along with that if any AI logic worked (except some exceptions like Jason Kendall, lol). If CPU roster control was off, I would have no problem with the CPU moving the C, but with it ON, it should "stick" no matter how illogical it may be (auto-fix in the case of CPU roster control ON could have been disabled or only worked when subs were required, and then it should have went back to the set line-ups). That is how I tested it after the 2nd patch was released, and I thought to myself, uh-oh, its not really fixed...

Auto-fix should not have been an issue with CPU roster control ON, plain and simple. One can make an argument that with CPU roster control OFF, that the lineup logic isn't really all that bad, but that it may have more to do with the attributes given to players or that the attributes they valued for each order in the lineup can't cover real life (Helton batting 3rd when he doesn't have modern day 3rd hole power (personally I like guys like Helton or a Keith Hernandez (like Knight mentioned) batting 3rd, but a lot of managers don't anymore.

I will just make do with all the edits and workarounds I have to do this year to play this great game, but I'm not happy about it .

[jim416]

No, that wasn't aimed at you, sorry if it sounded like it. First, not every team gets messed up, but we're having a cow over Helton and a few others. Those can be worked around and lord knows you've tried to help people and that is greatly appreciated.

I totally agree lineups should stick and the two are separate, but something happened along the way. Hell, you won't find a more lineup conscience guy than me, but....whadda ya gonna do?

There are some fixes for much of the stuff. Knights roster fix was a god send for me (these lineups stick pretty good and it's really close enought for me). Last year we had a workaround thread for several things. People can either work with it, or shelve the game. I think those are the only options left, and no amount of ad nausem complaining or defending will fix either.

[chilidogbeefcake]

i have the patch but can still control steals when auto baserunning is on. its not a big deal at all but did this happen to anyone else?

[Knight165]

Quote: Originally Posted by chilidogbeefcake

i have the patch but can still control steals when auto baserunning is on. its not a big deal at all but did this happen to anyone else?

They left them in for the USER and removed it when it was causing the CPU to steal(with the trigger)


Jim...

I tweaked the lineups for even more realistic MLB play for the latest version...try that one (v5).

M.K.
Knight165