Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Update (IGN)

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by scottmac

I agree we should have more courses. But I think the real reason is because if they put more courses on the disc then they wont make money with add on courses to download.

No, the true limiting factor is the 360 DVD. If what you stated was true, then the Wii would not be coming out with 27 courses on the Wii DVD. Wii courses take up 1/3 or less of the disc space that 360/PS3 courses use.

[Skyboxer]

How many 360 games have full DVD's? If the number is huge then the 360 DVD drive argument may be valid. If not then that argument goes out the window. Maybe by the time this generation is done we'll see consistant full DVD's. I just don't see that we're at that point yet. Could be wrong though.
Main thing is if EA had courses they wanted to included they'd just put them on the PS3 BR disk and have it downloadable for the 360.
If that doesn't happen then 1: They don't have that amount of courses or 2: They do and want to go the DLC route.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by Skyboxer

Main thing is if EA had courses they wanted to included they'd just put them on the PS3 BR disk and have it downloadable for the 360. If that doesn't happen then 1: They don't have that amount of courses or 2: They do and want to go the DLC route.

EA is not going to give PS3 users more courses out of the box than 360 users. Then you would be giving PS3 offline users more courses than 360 offline users who do not subscribe to XBox Live. If both consoles has similar media capacities, this would be a moot issue. On top of all this is the cost of creating courses for 360/PS3. They take FAR more resources to create than Wii or PS2 courses. Much more expensive to generate the the data (laser scanning) and far more people to convert the data into an actual digital version of the course. Lastly, each 360/PS3 course is 200+ MB in size and this along with other features for the 360/PS3 take up far more disc space than their predecessors, the PS2/XBox and Wii, most of which is related to the impact of High Definition graphics throughout the game.

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by DivotMaker

EA is not going to give PS3 users more courses out of the box than 360 users. Then you would be giving PS3 offline users more courses than 360 offline users who do not subscribe to XBox Live. If both consoles has similar media capacities, this would be a moot issue. On top of all this is the cost of creating courses for 360/PS3. They take FAR more resources to create than Wii or PS2 courses. Much more expensive to generate the the data (laser scanning) and far more people to convert the data into an actual digital version of the course. Lastly, each 360/PS3 course is 200+ MB in size and this along with other features for the 360/PS3 take up far more disc space than their predecessors, the PS2/XBox and Wii, most of which is related to the impact of High Definition graphics throughout the game.

Again if they had the courses they could do that and not use the "Dvd" as an excuse.
I agree it would be better to have the same "Specs" but it's not like DVD's are getting filled up as it is. Or at least consistantly. It would be a much bigger issue if the PS3 was doing better than it is also.

Also I can't remember the game (MLB2K game maybe) but there was something that had downloadable content for the 360 that was on the PS3 version already. So it has been done before.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by Skyboxer

Again if they had the courses they could do that and not use the "Dvd" as an excuse. I agree it would be better to have the same "Specs" but it's not like DVD's are getting filled up as it is. Or at least consistantly. It would be a much bigger issue if the PS3 was doing better than it is also. Also I can't remember the game (MLB2K game maybe) but there was something that had downloadable content for the 360 that was on the PS3 version already. So it has been done before.

How do you know they don't have the courses already? You don't and neither do I. The plan every year has been to finish the courses to be on the shipping disc first, then worrying about DLC courses once the game is finished. The 360 DVD IS an issue and has been since the PS3 came out whether you choose to believe it or not. If you don't believe me, contact EA and ask them because I have and the answer I have posted is the answer they gave me and it makes sense. EA could put the 360 version on 2 DVD's, however the cost for EA and end users for each game would go up as MS receives a royalty on EVERY 360 DVD that is sold. DLC is for now a much better option.

Just because one developer put more content in a game for the PS3 than the 360 version does not mean EA is going to do it for TW. That would be a HUGE PR nightmare IMO. You may not like the reasons why EA is preferring to use DLC for additional courses, but it is the path they are using until something changes to allow them to ship the same game with more courses on both PS3 and 360.

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by DivotMaker

How do you know they don't have the courses already? You don't and neither do I. The plan every year has been to finish the courses to be on the shipping disc first, then worrying about DLC courses once the game is finished. The 360 DVD IS an issue and has been since the PS3 came out whether you choose to believe it or not. If you don't believe me, contact EA and ask them because I have and the answer I have posted is the answer they gave me and it makes sense. EA could put the 360 version on 2 DVD's, however the cost for EA and end users for each game would go up as MS receives a royalty on EVERY 360 DVD that is sold. DLC is for now a much better option. Just because one developer put more content in a game for the PS3 than the 360 version does not mean EA is going to do it for TW. That would be a HUGE PR nightmare IMO. You may not like the reasons why EA is preferring to use DLC for additional courses, but it is the path they are using until something changes to allow them to ship the same game with more courses on both PS3 and 360.

Where did I say anywhere that they had/did have the courses? I said if they had the courses the could easily include on the BR disk and have it as DLC for the 360 and make the whole "Dvd" size issue mute...
What is the ratio of DVD's that are full compared to not full. Heck what's the ratio of BR's that are filled? I said IF they are still not even filling DVD's then the size issue has no weight IMO.
Also I could care less as I have both (Well all 3 systems) so "Accepting it" doesn't make any sense as I have no vested interest in any system. Just the games.
Again it's been done before is all I'm saying. As long as they make em I'm getting them
Also you really think from day 1 there's been a size problem with the programmers dealing with BR vs DVD? Most titles were ported not because of size but because of $ and marketshare in the console sales.

Sorry for taking the thread off topic guys....Good discussion DivotMaker...

[rolltide1017]

Quote: Originally Posted by Skyboxer

I said if they had the courses the could easily include on the BR disk and have it as DLC for the 360 and make the whole "Dvd" size issue mute...

This wouldn't work and it would be unfair to some 360 owners because not every 360 owner has access to XBL. Also, unless this has changed this year, download courses can not be use in PGA Tour season mode which would mean that 360 owners would have less course to play during there season if EA did what you suggest.

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What is the ratio of DVD's that are full compared to not full.

I don't understand why this matters. Point is, it is a problem for the TW team at EA. I even believe that the NCAA devs have expressed concern about the DVD size in future NCAA games. Plus, wasn't there a Japanese RGP game released with in the last year that was on 2 DVD for the 360. So, some DVDs are getting quite full while other are not.

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Heck what's the ratio of BR's that are filled?

I doubt a BD will ever be fill to the rim in the PS3s lifetime. If a devs claims to have filled up a BD then they are not telling the whole story. I've seen some claim this only then to explain that they just didn't compress the code as much as they could have because, well, they didn't need too.

Do I think the DVD size is an issue for the 360? For most games not but, for a handful of games each year I think the devs would have liked more room (if only so they could breath a little easier).

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by rolltide1017

This wouldn't work and it would be unfair to some 360 owners because not every 360 owner has access to XBL. Also, unless this has changed this year, download courses can not be use in PGA Tour season mode which would mean that 360 owners would have less course to play during there season if EA did what you suggest. I don't understand why this matters. Point is, it is a problem for the TW team at EA. I even believe that the NCAA devs have expressed concern about the DVD size in future NCAA games. Plus, wasn't there a Japanese RGP game released with in the last year that was on 2 DVD for the 360. So, some DVDs are getting quite full while other are not. I doubt a BD will ever be fill to the rim in the PS3s lifetime. If a devs claims to have filled up a BD then they are not telling the whole story. I've seen some claim this only then to explain that they just didn't compress the code as much as they could have because, well, they didn't need too. Do I think the DVD size is an issue for the 360? For most games not but, for a handful of games each year I think the devs would have liked more room (if only so they could breath a little easier).

1: It would work because it's been done before. Plus if the "no XBL available" was a real issue to them then they shouldn't be putting out patches as they wouldn't feel that would be fair either.


Basically what Im saying is yes eventually the size may be an issue but right now I simply don't believe for 1 second that they can honestly say the size is an issue IF they aren't filling up the DVD's we have now.
I say IF because I really don't know what the disk space left is right now on most games. If they are filling up DVD's now then ok I'll agree the size is an issue now.
If not then when/If or even if it is a problem now, they still can get the stuff in if they want through DLC. So if somethings not on BR it's thier decision to not include it and it has zero to do with the DVD and more on the fact they want to do direct ports.
If I thought the size was limiting me getting a better game/experience you can guarantee I'd be screaming to high heavens