Madden NFL 10 Blog: The Importance of an Early Community Day (New Screenshot Included

[coach_ruckus]

see valdarez you couldnt go to EA because you know too much about the game and they dont want that they want guys who are happy seeing hand towels

[NFLHITMAN]

My biggest issue with Madden is game play and player movement but there are other things pointed out that I totally forgot about. Anyone who knows me in APF 2K8 ( Basically anyone who plays it ) knows I like my D-Line.

Please make sure the D-Line has a presence on the field.

IMO there is only 1 QB who could do what people do with below average QB's in Madden. Michael Vick could run laterally and still throw a bomb but he was still inaccurate with it.

The one thing I can't stand to see in any football game is......

Someone running backwards in a full sprint or totally backwards and throw 80 yards accurately without ever squaring up his shoulders or planting his feet LOL. When I played Madden 09 the last game I played was against a guy who used the Steelers and sat Big Ben in favor for Dennis Dixon because he was a faster QB and he would run around with him every which way and throw accurately to a WR 80 yards down field.

Does this happen in APF 2K8? The running with the QB backwards happens to a new user until he lealizes it ain't Madden. If you do this in APF you will not be able to have any mustard on your throws and your accuracy will be greatly hindered not to mention the game will make you square your shoulders and plant your feet. You will also have to wind up to make that deep pass not just flick like in Madden.

[g2thecore]

Quote: Originally Posted by coach_ruckus

see this is what im talking about. No one even asked about the cheating. no one asked about the qb running 50 miles back. the bs kicking game, It seemed like they picked a group of guys who dont really know about x's and o's when it comes to football. Why wasnt the first question hey Ian why dont you go outside and run back 35 yards and chuck the ball 70 the other way. Or the question: how come in nfl fever people can make their own playbooks, why dont we see the same ole plays? see they picked a bunch of guys who dont really know football KANE699 said " I still enjoy 09 and think it's as fun a sports game" are you kidding me??? This goes to show you that EA picked some guys who didnt know x's and o when it comes to football "a fun sports game" Football should be a fun game it should be a sim game. So the qb cheat is a fun thing the wr cheat is a fun thing guys we need to ask these guys harder questions Ea wont bring in guys who know real football so for the guys who dont know much please ask better questions your telling me the the common issues are run blocking (what about the qb running back a million miles back or running right to the sideline??) i give you guys some props on the line play but come on. Ive gotta do a dear madden on this one lolol

Dude chill out. These guys that you're insulting know their stuff. They played an alpha build of the game, not a final retail build. That's the whole point of having them there so early, is so issues like what you've pointed out don't get shipped with the game.

You're sitting here insulting Kane's football knowledge because he said that Madden 09 was a good game. Well it was, it was one of the best ones we got in the next-gen era. It was playable to a certain extent. Sure it had issues, and it needed vast improvements, but what game doesn't? I understand your concerns, but rest assured that these guys provided Ian the kind of feedback that will prevent these issues from popping up on our final builds.

[achain]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA

I didn't skip over it. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...8-post166.html

Ah, makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that. I'm sure this has been brought up many times before, but, have you isolated the issue with the running game where hitting the speed button through a hole would cause blockers to give up their blocks?

[coach_ruckus]

insulting come on dawg lets be real. I dont care what they played im talking about asking real questions from a sim point of view! And if you think 09 was great with all the bugs and cheats that shows how much you know about real football.

Please tell me how you think a game full of cheats was better than any 2k football game. you said its one of the best we got in the next gen era..........
have you ever picked up a 2k football game. Im not trying to make this a 2k battle but come on do your home work. before you say those things

[coach_ruckus]

Yooo Hitman some of these guys havent played any 2k gms, they think a hand towel is cool and dont care about the Xs and Os of the game lol

[NYyankz225]

If you don't see how APF 2k8 has less user control than Madden you're blind to how games work.

Ian (or anyone for that matter) could create the most realistic looking game ever if everything from the snap of the ball to the whistle was completely controlled by noninterruptable, non user controlled animations. It'd make his job a lot easier thats for sure. Fortunately, from his comments so far, he will always choose to give the user control when possible. 2k didn't take this approach. Can you honestly say that you have NEVER had a moment in a 2k where you felt what you were doing with the controller didn't happen on the screen? It happens all the time. Sure, when you're watching a replay or a friend play it looks nice and seems "realistic" but it's frustrating when you lose control of a player and it goes into canned animations. Ian's (or Tiburon's I should say) approach (branching, layered animations) is much more difficult to pull off and is going to take time to perfect. I personally appreciate the effort.

Of course this "forced qb dropback" does go against that general belief, but again, even if Madden adds some of these aspects, the amount of control you have over your player is still higher than 2k has ever had. And it sounds like Ian is still tinkering with branching animations to allow you to interrupt it when necessary.

And coach, I'm just hoping LBzrule comes in and embarrasses you with more football knowledge in one post than you have in your whole head. The dude is one of the most knowledgeable football guy you'll see. He and adembroski have both coached AND played, something I doubt you've ever done. You can't even seem to string together a single coherent sentence. Please don't embarass yourself anymore.

[NFLHITMAN]

Quote: Originally Posted by g2thecore

Dude chill out. These guys that you're insulting know their stuff. They played an alpha build of the game, not a final retail build. That's the whole point of having them there so early, is so issues like what you've pointed out don't get shipped with the game. You're sitting here insulting Kane's football knowledge because he said that Madden 09 was a good game. Well it was, it was one of the best ones we got in the next-gen era. It was playable to a certain extent. Sure it had issues, and it needed vast improvements, but what game doesn't? I understand your concerns, but rest assured that these guys provided Ian the kind of feedback that will prevent these issues from popping up on our final builds.

Coach Ruckus is not a new person to Madden LOL. He was on the Madden bus for Madden Nation at one time. That should tell you something considering he used to love Madden but even a very good tournament player like himself has lost faith. Coach Ruckus wants the game to be fixed and he is tired of all the sugar coating that is going on with it. I am surprised he posted something because he usually doesn't. He usually just stays on the outside watching.

Good stuff Coach!