Why I'm Done With NBA Basketball This Year: NBA Live 09

[chrome381]

Quote: Originally Posted by thmst30

That post was so backwards. Actually the crowd in 2K9 is miles better, but the fundamentals are about 50/50. Both games do some things good and some things bad. Also, this game has been buggy for quite a while and I have even hated on it the past few years, but Live 10 can be great if they accomplish what they say they are working on. I'm looking forward to it. I still currently like the 2K series a little more, but if you look at the progress the last few years it's obvious that Live is progressing faster than 2K these days.

I agree with you 100% im a 2k guy but im a fan of the sport and the game's first and foremost, and with the things these live devs are doing this year i will not be soo quick to count out live 10 and spend my 60 bucks on another 2k game like i normally would.

To be perfectly honest i really wish live can fix the animations player faces,body proportions, rebounding, net animation and ball physics for next year because honestly once they fix those issues live will be a better game simply because live has way less internal issues to deal with than 2k, i mean the clipping issue's,teleporting, invincible animations, poor ai etc... just soo many other issues with 2k that need to be cleared up if they want to keep their title as the best b-ball sim on the market and if these live devs are really working on what they say their working on then i might be spending my $60 on a b-ball sim thats not made by 2k sports.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

I have tons of offensive rebounding, just not an many as I should so I don't really see that as an issue. Secondly the so called analog passing. I wouldn't know I use icon passing all the time. I never use analog passing that feature has been broken in Live and 2k's games for years. Especially on a fastbreak when some how they just make sure you pass it to the wrong person to prevent the score. Either way nothing is so broke in this game that makes it unplayable. And the offensive rebounding isn't broken, people just feel like they aren't getting enough of them compared to the cpu which in honesty they aren't getting many either. And the animations in this game don't make it unplayable, the animations that are there are fine and the game plays good. Maybe it doesn't run as smooth as super fast skating across the court 2k but what is here is very solid and well pace basketball.

shadows the rebounding is broken there is no covering that up bro also the locomotion is bad man real bad. this game has a lot going for it but to overlook what is bad in the name of uplifting the series helps no one. The animations and bad locomotion bad passing. Horrible rim physics, suction defense and scrawny player models in addition to the severly limited animations all together after playing for a few months can make this game unplayable. not that it is a bad game. if you want to like it there is certainly enough there to do that but there just isn't enough there currently to make the game as good as you seem to claim.

Remember I actually like live 09 for the potential it shows but that doesn't mean its great in its current state. I do think live 10 will be exceptional but a year away from genius.

[Behindshadows]

Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Czar

shadows the rebounding is broken there is no covering that up bro also the locomotion is bad man real bad. this game has a lot going for it but to overlook what is bad in the name of uplifting the series helps no one. The animations and bad locomotion bad passing. Horrible rim physics, suction defense and scrawny player models in addition to the severly limited animations all together after playing for a few months can make this game unplayable. not that it is a bad game. if you want to like it there is certainly enough there to do that but there just isn't enough there currently to make the game as good as you seem to claim. Remember I actually like live 09 for the potential it shows but that doesn't mean its great in its current state. I do think live 10 will be exceptional but a year away from genius.

I'm not overlooking it, I know the rebounding is an issue I've thrown my controller so many times on points where the CPU just stands there and watch while the other team comes out of no where and gets my ball. The passing in traffic is frustrating I will admit as well. But my points were to counter others post as to saying this game is trash and unplayable because of these things.

There is no way to fix the passing issue other than to use icon passing, and L4D's sliders did help the rebounding a lot it didn't perfect it, but it helped. Again my statements were that the game is very playable and very enjoyable. And it's a good game of basketball and sometimes a great game in my opinion.

But if a lot of these areas are fixed in Live 10 it can be an amazing game, hopefully on the levels of what The Show brings to baseball, Live 10 can bring that to basketball.

And yes even I've complained about the whole player model thing, so lets not go there.

[chrome381]

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

I'm not overlooking it, I know the rebounding is an issue I've thrown my controller so many times on points where the CPU just stands there and watch while the other team comes out of no where and gets my ball. The passing in traffic is frustrating I will admit as well. But my points were to counter others post as to saying this game is trash and unplayable because of these things. There is no way to fix the passing issue other than to use icon passing, and L4D's sliders did help the rebounding a lot it didn't perfect it, but it helped. Again my statements were that the game is very playable and very enjoyable. And it's a good game of basketball and sometimes a great game in my opinion. But if a lot of these areas are fixed in Live 10 it can be an amazing game, hopefully on the levels of what The Show brings to baseball, Live 10 can bring that to basketball. And yes even I've complained about the whole player model thing, so lets not go there.

but shadow covering up issues wont help them get fixed, you saying the rebounding isn't a big issue isn't help at all i know there are people who bash this game or over exaggerate issues but their helping these devs better than you are with your attempt's to cover up obvious issues you feel me? not saying live is a terrible game but i like the Czar said this game has potential but its definitely not where it should be.

[Behindshadows]

Quote: Originally Posted by chrome381

but shadow covering up issues wont help them get fixed, you saying the rebounding isn't a big issue isn't help at all i know there are people who bash this game or over exaggerate issues but their helping these devs better than you are with your attempt's to cover up obvious issues you feel me? not saying live is a terrible game but i like the Czar said this game has potential but its definitely not where it should be.

stop trying to put words in my mouth. I clearly said that L4D's sliders helped Live 09. Never said it wasn't an issue, nor did I say it didn't need to be fixed. I said it helped but didn't make things perfect. Clear as day, so stop trying to make it seem like I'm overlooking the whole damn thing. I said it doesn't make the game unplayable, and it doesn't. People are dogging the hell out of this game like its just out right terrible and just unplayable. Live 07 was unplayable, Live 06 was unplayable, Live 08 was unbareable, with Playmakers edits and sliders it was playable. Live 09 has flaws but even on default settings it plays good basketball, with L4D's sliders it plays even better.

But fact is, rebounding, no backboard shot usage, animations and pass lane issues do plague the game. Does it mean these things hurt 09 to where it was just a waste of money. No! But I never said they weren't issues, nor did I say they didn't need to be fixed.

So maybe CZAR misunderstood me, and you are just writing whatever you think I meant, but not what I said!

Have a great day!

[chrome381]

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

stop trying to put words in my mouth. I clearly said that L4D's sliders helped Live 09. Never said it wasn't an issue, nor did I say it didn't need to be fixed. I said it helped but didn't make things perfect. Clear as day, so stop trying to make it seem like I'm overlooking the whole damn thing. I said it doesn't make the game unplayable, and it doesn't. People are dogging the hell out of this game like its just out right terrible and just unplayable. Live 07 was unplayable, Live 06 was unplayable, Live 08 was unbareable, with Playmakers edits and sliders it was playable. Live 09 has flaws but even on default settings it plays good basketball, with L4D's sliders it plays even better. But fact is, rebounding, no backboard shot usage, animations and pass lane issues do plague the game. Does it mean these things hurt 09 to where it was just a waste of money. No! But I never said they weren't issues, nor did I say they didn't need to be fixed. So maybe CZAR misunderstood me, and you are just writing whatever you think I meant, but not what I said! Have a great day!

lol calm down kid no one is attacking you lol

[Behindshadows]

Quote: Originally Posted by chrome381

lol calm down kid no one is attacking you lol

Kid, I'm a grown man, that is why I don't like giving my opinion in here because of all the childish comebacks.

But I'm 32 and far from a kid! I just can't stand when someone comes in this thread and over use the term unplayable! Just to try to trash on this company!

Even though I did it back in the PS2 and Xbox days don't tell nobody lol!

But now when this game has been the best it has ever been, people still trash down on it and try to find reason to mention the competition game being so much better, etc.

But I'm not lashing out at you, I'm just angry over this whole subject and for people not reading properly and understanding what I've been saying.

[guru8]

Where are L4D's sliders at anyway??