Major League Baseball 2K9 Video: A's @ Mariners (Bottom 9)

[baa7]

Quote: Originally Posted by JonahFalcon

Ichiro of 2008 is not Ichiro of 2001.

Not throwing home in that situation is the equivalent of not running out a groundball. Anything can happen. The runner can easily stumble and even fall, making it a close play at home, possibly even a sure out. If the CF doesn't throw that ball home, he's not going to be playing CF next game -- not on my team anyway.

[kGinGreen]

Quote: Originally Posted by baa7

Not throwing home in that situation is the equivalent of not running out a groundball. Anything can happen. The runner can easily stumble and even fall, making it a close play at home, possibly even a sure out. If the CF doesn't throw that ball home, he's not going to be playing CF next game -- not on my team anyway.

Stop it. Did you watch the replay? Ichiro was already at home plate pretty much when he threw it. The game was over. A lot of times in a real game the outfielder wouldnt even throw it at all. I'm not saying it's right, but it happens all the time in major league baseball.

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

No offense, but you "debating" the topic was in response to a general observation made by someone. It wasn't an incorrect observation, yet many felt the need to call it nitpicking. It did look a bit odd to see him toss it to the cutoff man. You may disagree that you should throw home, but based on your argument why should the AI even bother to throw it to the cutoff man? I agree that some MLB players might hold on to the ball. I disagree, however, that it's the right thing to do fundamentally. That's a separate debate though. You bring up your coaching credentials in this matter, which have nothing to do with the fact that throwing to the cutoff man makes NO sense in that instance whether you believe the play was a wash or not. If he ate the ball, it would have even looked better than throwing it in to the cutoff. No this isn't baseball 101 or a big deal, but nobody made a big deal about it until the 2K defense team showed up to say it's okay. It's a bit tiresome. Some of you complain about nitpicking, when it's really just observation. The REAL nitpicking is jumping on every comment that doesn't praise the game and trying to justify it. Disagree then move on...it's pretty simple. Yes it's a videogame, but it's a game that's supposed to be representative of baseball, so I'd imagine "baseball 101" would come into play at some point

That is a fantastic post. Trolling goes two ways, and jumping all over someone anytime they even constructively point out a possible negative falls right into that category.

[DaveDQ]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

Yes it's a videogame, but it's a game that's supposed to be representative of baseball, so I'd imagine "baseball 101" would come into play at some point

How about Consideration and Respect 101? You make good points, and those who argue the Ichiro throw make valid points, but it is no longer debate when you hold on to your opinion just for the sake of not giving in.

That's what happens with these games when people let their egos rule their words. It's almost as if there's a check list of things some have and they are anticipating these games from missing one so they can let everyone know about it. I certainly hope you don't think that's debating.

[jim416]

Sigh. When good forums go bad.......film at 11:00.

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by DaveDQ

How about Consideration and Respect 101? You make good points, and those who argue the Ichiro throw make valid points, but it is no longer debate when you hold on to your opinion just for the sake of not giving in. That's what happens with these games when people let their egos rule their words. It's almost as if there's a check list of things some have and they are anticipating these games from missing one so they can let everyone know about it. I certainly hope you don't think that's debating.

I agree, and I don't think that's debating (which was part of the point, and the reason the word was quoted). Not sure what you're referencing here (if anything specific at all), but that too goes both ways, right?

I think the "checklist" theory is a bit of a stretch, generally speaking. I think that's as much perception as anything. I'm sure there are those like that (seen enough in both forums), but that's not the majority IMO. The trouble is, because of those, everyone who's opinion diffrs is treated in the same regard.

Everyone feels strongly about certain aspects. So it stands to reason that if those aspects aren't up to snuff for them, they'll be more apt to point it out. If it's repeated over and over, uninstigated (that is a key point in this, BTW), then yes it's likely agenda based.

However, repeating a gripe in various threads where it appears prevalant, is no different than repeating praise, correct?

Meaning if for video A you notice the "real-time" looks fantastic, and praise it, and notice the same in Video B...praising it would just be outwardly confirming a previously made point and is generally accepted.

So why is this treated with negativity when criticism is involved?
Obviously, context is important here...but the point remains. It's the hypocracy of some posters (not saying you, just speaking on the general point) who cry "TROLL!" for each criticism, but then pile on the defense for said criticism that I'm speaking of here.

Sorry for the long post...lol...I've said before I'm admittedly long-winded and like to make sure my points are clarified (and even then I fail at it...lol).

sooo...lol,

The End

EDIT: Aslo, sorry for straying further from the topic with my own musings, rants, and observations...lol. Along with my long-windedness I'm also outspoken to a fault. So...back to your regularly scheduled video commentary...lol

[DaveDQ]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

I agree, and I don't think that's debating (which was part of the point, and the reason the word was quoted). Not sure what you're referencing here (if anything specific at all), but that too goes both ways, right? I think the "checklist" theory is a bit of a stretch, generally speaking. I think that's as much perception as anything. I'm sure there are those like that (seen enough in both forums), but that's not the majority IMO. The trouble is, because of those, everyone who's opinion diffrs is treated in the same regard. Everyone feels strongly about certain aspects. So it stands to reason that if those aspects aren't up to snuff for them, they'll be more apt to point it out. If it's repeated over and over, uninstigated (that is a key point in this, BTW), then yes it's likely agenda based. However, repeating a gripe in various threads where it appears prevalant, is no different than repeating praise, correct? Meaning if for video A you notice the "real-time" looks fantastic, and praise it, and notice the same in Video B...praising it would just be outwardly confirming a previously made point and is generally accepted. So why is this treated with negativity when criticism is involved? Obviously, context is important here...but the point remains. It's the hypocracy of some posters (not saying you, just speaking on the general point) who cry "TROLL!" for each criticism, but then pile on the defense for said criticism that I'm speaking of here. Sorry for the long post...lol...I've said before I'm admittedly long-winded and like to make sure my points are clarified (and even then I fail at it...lol). sooo...lol, The End EDIT: Aslo, sorry for straying further from the topic with my own musings, rants, and observations...lol. Along with my long-windedness I'm also outspoken to a fault. So...back to your regularly scheduled video commentary...lol

I think it's hard for many who feel like the game is looking great. They want the feeling to be affirmed, so when someone brings out a negative, it sort of spoils the optimism.

There are many that lose their steam about a title simply because of the negativity. And sure, it goes both ways, but I think for this game, in light of the success of its competition, last year's rough outing and the anticipation of a new developer, there's a strong expectancy. That doesn't mean people shouldn't share negatives etc. I just think in this case it's heightened.

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by DaveDQ

I think it's hard for many who feel like the game is looking great. They want the feeling to be affirmed, so when someone brings out a negative, it sort of spoils the optimism. There are many that lose their steam about a title simply because of the negativity. And sure, it goes both ways, but I think for this game, in light of the success of its competition, last year's rough outing and the anticipation of a new developer, there's a strong expectancy. That doesn't mean people shouldn't share negatives etc. I just think in this case it's heightened.

I understand that sentiment. I think it's taking it too personal in that sense, but I do understand it. The trouble is it comes off as defensive, and it's hard to separate the fact from the hype when those people comment. That also goes both ways though, as someone who ONLY has negatives to attribute (or is vastly slanted that way), becomes a lost voice in that regard as well.

I've never attibuted anyones thoughts or feeling about a game to my own take on it. We all differ. While the general consensus was largely negative towards 2K8, for example, many still found (and still find, in some cases as well) enjoyment from it.

I like to engage people with differing viewpoints for various reasons (I like debate and I'm a curious sort..for a couple of examples, lol) but it never effects my own viewpoint of the game.

It may help me see something in a different light, but only in terms of perspective. Either I enjoy it or I don't. You're enjoyment/disappointment with it, shouldn't factor into my own.

I know some people are wired in that way, so to speak...but it's an odd way of thinking IMO. Again, not speaking of killjoys here, just speaking of your more basic critiques.

I'm sure some is also attributed to over-interpreting intent, which is a dangerous habit in written communication. Intent is often difficult to characterize in written communication and it's misinterpretation is often a jumping off point for many internet "battles" and the like. I've been guilty of it too at times...it's an easy thing to fall into, I suppose.

But again I stray...lol. It's an interesting discussion, but I don't want to further take from the topic that should be at hand with my bad habits.