Fact or Fiction: Baseball Games Cometh Edition

Quote: Originally Posted by Bumble14

Hey guys- Christian McLeod here from the article (just thought I'd throw that out there for the guy who asked for forum names). Anyhow, I had to weigh in on this discussion after reading the quoted post. As someone who is a diehard baseball gamer since RBI on NES, played high level baseball, and is an absolute slappy when it comes to the game, I have to disagree that the hitting system in The Show is realistic. To me, I feel a great disconnect with my bat on ball contact in The Show. The physics are pretty good, but there is something missing. Someone nailed it when they mentioned that there was some type of connection you got when hitting in MVP. It's so hard to explain for someone who didn't play the game religiously like many of us did, but there was no greater hitting system in any baseball game to date. In MVP, you really felt like the contact being made on the ball was due to your adjustments in the box/arm extension/avoiding getting jammed, etc. There was also something to be said about the color changing ball pitch dynamic that no one ever seems to remember, that made reading a pitch, and going with it in that game one of the greatest feelings ever. For those of you who played baseball in real life, you know you are taught to be relaxed in the box, adjust to the pitch thrown to you, and to adjust your mecahnics to take the ball where it is thrown. Too often in The Show and the newer 2K games do I feel like I make a simple button press that based on timing, results in contact in the zone. I do not get that feeling of complete control using the left stick as I got in MVP. Sure, MVP 05 had it's quirks that people want to hit on to justify that it is not the greatest baseball game ever, but they always fail to mention the same level of quirks in games like The Show. I'm not saying The Show is a bad game by any means, it is just that it still has not filled the void left by MVP 05 in terms of a complete baseball experience.

Yes! That connection is exactly what I was referring to... I know I keep mentioning homeruns, but the way it felt when you knew you saw the pitch coming and the timing was right and BAM you just would smack one out of the park... That was so damn satisfying. No game before or after has quite captured that for me quite yet.

[Aaron Rodgers]

MVP people make me doubt them as Baseball enthusiast. High Heat is the GREATEST or at least needs mentions from the staff. For Shame.

[ehh]

Quote: Originally Posted by rudyjuly2

But MVP's restrictive hitting system where you had to go with every pitch on the outer half of the plate wasn't realistic. You CAN pull outside pitches in baseball WITH power. Plus you couldn't hit any pitch outside the strike zone. Those were the things that the Show did very well.

The first part of your post is a big misnomer, after playing the game for four years I finally figured out how to pull outside pitches for home runs. It doesn't happen a ton as I've programmed myself to go with every pitch but it's certainly possible. I've hit some moonshots on low and away sliders that I pulled.

The second part is dead on though and by far the biggest problem with hitting in MVP, if it's more than an inch outside of the strike zone you can't hit it.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Griffey on N64 was arcade but liked the balance particularly with 2-Player. It's already been said how the 98mph stuff for the CPU is no prob but for humans is a big concern. Not to mention how 2 Seamers moved.

And was it just me or did the corner IFers barely move when trying to catch a pop foul?

[Knight165]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bumble14

Really? So you clearly aren't a hardcore baseball gamer that grew up with RBI, Bases Loaded, etc. If the game plays great who cares about sig styles. Some of the greatest games in baseball gaming history did not include sig styles.

Whoa....
That's not right.
I don't feel that way and there is NO WAY that anyone has been more "hardcore" than I when it comes to baseball.

Just because you feel that way doesn't make it so. Sorry.
I'm REALLY tired of people doing this....it's getting old.

M.K.
Knight165

[Ohpityme]

I find it hilarious people saying 'Will Mlb 09 The Show' be better than MVP 05?' well considering 08 blew it out of the water I think its safe to say that 09 will be better.
Methinks people are wearing rose tinted spectacles when remembering MVP 05, it was a good game although i prefered 06 but Mlb 08 The Show(Along with COD4)was the best/most addictive game I've ever played.
Judging by the 09 demo they have improved in every aspect so I think its safe to say that 09 will be immense.
I couldn't care less about MLB 2k9 not only was 2k8 unplayable for PS3(Yeah I don't know why I bought it either)but 2k Sports general attitude to their customers stinks, their after purchase attention is a disgrace(I'm still waiting on a Ps3 patch for 2k8)and the fact they havn't got a demo out yet says it all.
Honestly last years the show game was the first I've ever bought and it was a revelation...I had fell out with baseball and hadn't bought a game for years but The show reignited my passion for the game it was THAT good(Something the NFL shud think about when renewing their exclusive license ...especially considering how much MLB stuff I bought last year all because of The Show)AND the fact that The Show had 'WEEKLY' roster updates was unheard of for me.
They do an outstanding job long may it continue.
All we need now is a team with their passion working on an NFL and NBA game(I'm happy with NHL 09 how it is).

[artdog5110]

I am probably in the minority but I had an incredibly hard time hiitting on MVP. Loved it graphicly and the pitching windups were great but not being able to hit ruined it for me. Not blaming the game but I could not hit. Love The Show but pound for pound pure baseball sim High Heat was the best. But The Show may catch it this year.

[mmorg]

Quote: Originally Posted by boomhauertjs

The greatest baseball game ever? High Heat (either 2002 or 2003).

I can't quote this enough. HH2003 to this day is still my favorite baseball game of all time and I have probably logged more than 1000 games played in that game. Microsoft bought the source code to it when 3DO went bankrupt and I really wish they would do something with it.