The First Official Feature For Madden NFL 10!

[quagga]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hawaii_Stars

Ian, will the DB's still be able to react to a pass play if they are clearly not looking at the ball, but they looked at the WR raise his arms up for the catch so the DB sticks his arms up as well, usually inbetween the WR arms to disrupt the play and at the same time maybe he turns his head to try to look at the ball?

I thought that a DB sticking their hands inbetween those of the WR if the DB isn't looking at the ball is pass interference. Is that not the case?

[jvaccaro]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA

Sorry - I thought it answered it. We want to make it so a DB can't intercept a ball when he can't see it. Which to me means he can't make ridiculous interceptions. Sorry if we're getting hung up in the semantics.

This will work as long as there is a programmed 1-2 second delay (dependant on AWR) between when the head turns and the player starts the animation.

[The Sim God]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA

The ol' spin catch has been removed. We're planning on one of our blog posts in a few weeks to just be all the animations that were removed / replaced. Should be a fun piece.

Ian, this seems to be bordering a fine line here what youre saying and i dont understand FULLY.

i do like how a db cant make a play on what he cant say.....kudos.
big step there!

my main thing is when im playing a human opponent and we can see the entire field and he "clicks in" to manually control the db.....can HE(human controlled defender) then make plays by not turning around using the swat/int button?

as we all know you dont have to turn around to make a leap/swat at the ball as from our angles we see the entire field.

this is my one main concern because if this "new feature" ONLY applies to when the defender is ai controlled then its bogus.

some clarification would be greatly appreciated.

[Exonerated]

Quote: Originally Posted by The Sim God

Ian, this seems to be bordering a fine line here what youre saying and i dont understand FULLY. i do like how a db cant make a play on what he cant say.....kudos. big step there! my main thing is when im playing a human opponent and we can see the entire field and he "clicks in" to manually control the db.....can HE(human controlled defender) then make plays by not turning around using the swat/int button? as we all know you dont have to turn around to make a leap/swat at the ball as from our angles we see the entire field. this is my one main concern because if this "new feature" ONLY applies to when the defender is ai controlled then its bogus. some clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Why would this be bogus.

The ai will obviously not react to balls it cannot see.

But why remove user control? Stick skills are an important part of a game, and players should be rewarded as such.

maybe a 'look for the ball button' followed by a catch animation will suffice.

But players must be given an opportunity to make a play on the ball.

If you remove player the ability for a db to compete for the ball when its user controlled, your essentially removing all user control on pass defense.

What would be the point of stick skills/ and playing pass defense if your controlled player, is just playing like well, AI. People would just control d-linemen all day.


We want a game where a person can play as corner and be able to make plays on the ball because they are the user.

[gabs485]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA

Sorry - I thought it answered it. We want to make it so a DB can't intercept a ball when he can't see it. Which to me means he can't make ridiculous interceptions. Sorry if we're getting hung up in the semantics. Like this... ...would no longer be able to happen, ya know?

I guess that what he really wants to know is that if there is going to be a situation in which the DB or the defender for that matter won't be looking at the ball. I just don't want to see every defender looking at the ball while is in the air. Sometimes CB are in 1 on 1 coverage they just focus on the player an react depending on what he is doing.

For example in that play the defender is obviously beat, so he shouldn't even try to look back at the ball. heck even the receiver doesn't know where the ball is.

[The Sim God]

Quote: Originally Posted by The Sim God

Ian, this seems to be bordering a fine line here what youre saying and i dont understand FULLY. i do like how a db cant make a play on what he cant say.....kudos. big step there! my main thing is when im playing a human opponent and we can see the entire field and he "clicks in" to manually control the db.....can HE(human controlled defender) then make plays by not turning around using the swat/int button? as we all know you dont have to turn around to make a leap/swat at the ball as from our angles we see the entire field. this is my one main concern because if this "new feature" ONLY applies to when the defender is ai controlled then its bogus. some clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Quote: Originally Posted by Exonerated

Why would this be bogus. The ai will obviously not react to balls it cannot see. But why remove user control? Stick skills are an important part of a game, and players should be rewarded as such. maybe a 'look for the ball button' followed by a catch animation will suffice. But players must be given an opportunity to make a play on the ball. If you remove player the ability for a db to compete for the ball when its user controlled, your essentially removing all user control on pass defense. What would be the point of stick skills/ and playing pass defense if your controlled player, is just playing like well, AI. People would just control d-linemen all day. We want a game where a person can play as corner and be able to make plays on the ball because they are the user.

it IS bogus becaus i can just click in.....never actually turn around for the ball(unless they keep in the strafe button....lol) and swat it down with never looking back.

put yourself INSIDE the helmet of the defender = you dont see the ball coming, switch to HUMAN controlled db and you can manipulate seeing the ball coming due to our view of the game.

a solid answer from Ian would clarify this

[cdon2k]

I think this is being blown out of proportion, if this feature is tuned correctly, there will be no problem....

For example, lets take the example of an outside LB running out to cut off a pass to a WR on a button hook route... Some are worried that he won't be able to make the play because he is running towards the sideline and won't have his eyes on the ball. That is the whole point of this tech. As the LB runs, he will tilt their head slightly towards the qb so they will always have at least one eye on the ball, removing those no looke swat situations. So sure, he can still swat the ball, but I look forward to seeingn more players in this sort of situation run with their body paralell to the line instead of being stiff and just running to the sideline straight on.

Now I am interested in the next gen applications of this feature that Ian has discussed, but I think some people are forgetting that a lot of the wierd situations in 09 will not occur do to the fixes being made on player interaction (WR/DB) and whatnot. Think of it, if WR/DB interaction were correct in the first place, there would not have been the "no look" problem in the first place.

To summarize, I am very excited about the possibilities of of the combination of the two new technologies. I am pretty sure that '10 is going to be amazing

[Exonerated]

Quote: Originally Posted by The Sim God

it IS bogus becaus i can just click in.....never actually turn around for the ball(unless they keep in the strafe button....lol) and swat it down with never looking back. put yourself INSIDE the helmet of the defender = you dont see the ball coming, switch to HUMAN controlled db and you can manipulate seeing the ball coming due to our view of the game. a solid answer from Ian would clarify this

This would remove some user catching and user picking as well. We are playing from a God's eye view. Not inside the helmet of the defender. Only the AI is limited by the DBs vision.

And the user controlled player, should be the best player on the field if the user is good.

I want complete control of my player. If we remove user picking and user catching with no Line of vision. Might as well let the cpu v cpu contest every other pass play.