NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

[IBYCFOTA]

Rasa definitely has some legit points regarding the patch. However I strongly disagree that it is worse than before the patch. I do think they overdid the shot accuracy tweak, but far too many goals were scored off of the cheese goal or just in general outside shots that went in on an unscreened goalie. Those goals are extremely rare in the NHL. I'd rather them simply fix the AI goalies than tweak shot accuracy, but I still prefer this style of play overall.

The biggest thing about the patch is that it really promotes team play and setting things up. Before the patch you had to focus on defending the high slot because those were the high percentage shots. Not only is that unrealistic but it's also extremely boring. After the patch teams that do things like that get punished because those goals rarely go in and most importantly end their offensive drive most of the time. At least with the one timers they require the other team to set it up and have teamwork, and it's a lot easier to defend at least for me as a defenseman than the cheese shot.

I just wish the goalie would knock away passes in the crease. Those are really the cheesiest one timers and they're also the most effective.

[nyr30]

Quote: Originally Posted by nyr30

The goals i am losing in this game are a joke, playing good defense just isnt rewarded, i dont mind losing the odd strange goal but if the AI wants to score it just feels like it will do whatever it takes to do it. these are in the same game http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2314966 http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2310942 I also had one of those goals that never crossed the line given against me, thats what started the AI on its momentum. it really is sickening.

I thought i'd post another couple of beauties the AI scored when i was leading against the Ducks, that is about 6 really bad goals now in about 5 matches since i started saving them.


I was up 2-1 on the Ducks and then with 4 mins to go thats when it started you just have to laugh

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2348241

Then in overtime this one happened, this isnt so bad because i should have done better but when i was trying to poke check it didnt work.

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2348270

I am starting to look forward to the 2K9 update even more now.

[Franchizz]

I am curious if anyone has a suggestion for increasing penalties to your own team besides purposely hooking the computer? It would seem now that the computer can average 3-5 penalties a game (although still many games were they have none) yet I never am called for anything. It does make the game rather one sided in the long haul.

[nyr30]

Quote: Originally Posted by nyr30

I thought i'd post another couple of beauties the AI scored when i was leading against the Ducks, that is about 6 really bad goals now in about 5 matches since i started saving them. I was up 2-1 on the Ducks and then with 4 mins to go thats when it started you just have to laugh http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2348241 Then in overtime this one happened, this isnt so bad because i should have done better but when i was trying to poke check it didnt work. http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2348270 I am starting to look forward to the 2K9 update even more now.

Well this will be the last 2 AI goals i post because i wont be playing this piece of crap again, all game the AI tries every way possible to get the cheapest goals and i have had enough.

2K9 might not be as good looking but when you play it you dont feel cheated. this first one was the Sharks 3rd goal and i dont even think it goes all the way over but thats not what bothers me, its the way my goalie flops around and my men never come up with the loose puck in a scramble.

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2357071

this last one made it 4-3 and turned out to be the winner, in slow motion you can see my poke check but the dman's stick actually goes through the puck but doesnt poke the puck away, it just skips up and goes perfectly to the Sharks player to score the winner.

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2357096

It just not rewarding for me to get screwed over every game by the AI, in my Dynasty i have seen ridiculous amounts of instances where the AI gets all the breaks and lucky goals but i never see anything go in my favour, i work my *** off to get goals by setting up, mixing up my plays, using created plays but why should i bother when the whole game is an exercise in screwing you over.

No more

[bad_philanthropy]

Quote: Originally Posted by nyr30

Well this will be the last 2 AI goals i post because i wont be playing this piece of crap again, all game the AI tries every way possible to get the cheapest goals and i have had enough. 2K9 might not be as good looking but when you play it you dont feel cheated. this first one was the Sharks 3rd goal and i dont even think it goes all the way over but thats not what bothers me, its the way my goalie flops around and my men never come up with the loose puck in a scramble. http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2357071 this last one made it 4-3 and turned out to be the winner, in slow motion you can see my poke check but the dman's stick actually goes through the puck but doesnt poke the puck away, it just skips up and goes perfectly to the Sharks player to score the winner. http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2357096 It just not rewarding for me to get screwed over every game by the AI, in my Dynasty i have seen ridiculous amounts of instances where the AI gets all the breaks and lucky goals but i never see anything go in my favour, i work my *** off to get goals by setting up, mixing up my plays, using created plays but why should i bother when the whole game is an exercise in screwing you over. No more

The first goal was kind of flukey, but the second a big player in Getzlaf got the puck down low and banged it home in a high percentage area. The third goal you posted you completely skated away from Thornton with Staal leaving him all alone down low. Stay on him, try to lift his stick to give Lundqvist an opportunity to snap up the puck up. Fourth goal you tried to poke check when your defenseman wasn't in position to make a play on the puck.

The poke check in the game seems designed to work when you have the right body position. If you up the poke check or lower the possession slider you might be able to tune it more to your likeing. But in that particular video instead of closing the gap and taking his space away you skated right through his path to the net. I find that if I get my body in the way first that I have a lot more success with the poke check.

In the NHL you won't see a defenseman trying to defend a player driving to the net by trying to use a poke check first, he'll use his body to close off the space and then use the poke check.

[catcatch22]

Quote: Originally Posted by bad_philanthropy

The first goal was kind of flukey, but the second a big player in Getzlaf got the puck down low and banged it home in a high percentage area. The third goal you posted you completely skated away from Thornton with Staal leaving him all alone down low. Stay on him, try to lift his stick to give Lundqvist an opportunity to snap up the puck up. Fourth goal you tried to poke check when your defenseman wasn't in position to make a play on the puck. The poke check in the game seems designed to work when you have the right body position. If you up the poke check or lower the possession slider you might be able to tune it more to your likeing. But in that particular video instead of closing the gap and taking his space away you skated right through his path to the net. I find that if I get my body in the way first that I have a lot more success with the poke check. In the NHL you won't see a defenseman trying to defend a player driving to the net by trying to use a poke check first, he'll use his body to close off the space and then use the poke check.

Yeah those goals didn't look like cheap weak goals but goals you basically got beat on. They definitely score cheap weak goals on you from time to time but I wouldn't call those weak cheap ones.

[nyr30]

Quote: Originally Posted by catcatch22

Yeah those goals didn't look like cheap weak goals but goals you basically got beat on. They definitely score cheap weak goals on you from time to time but I wouldn't call those weak cheap ones.

Its not just the goals its the way the game feels on defense too, at times i try simple passes coming out my own zone and it will go in a completely different direction and get picked off. its like the controls get confused when under pressure and this always seems to happen when the AI gets a bit of momentum.

I hope everyone who is enjoying the game continues to do so but for me i am going to take a break from it.

My record in dynasty of (23-10-0-1) and after making my first trade of Prucha + Rissmiller for Lundqvist and Crombeen i am still going to leave it, i will still be on this forum checking threads to see whats happening.

[bjackets]

Quote: Originally Posted by nyr30

Its not just the goals its the way the game feels on defense too, at times i try simple passes coming out my own zone and it will go in a completely different direction and get picked off. its like the controls get confused when under pressure and this always seems to happen when the AI gets a bit of momentum. I hope everyone who is enjoying the game continues to do so but for me i am going to take a break from it. My record in dynasty of (23-10-0-1) and after making my first trade of Prucha + Rissmiller for Lundqvist and Crombeen i am still going to leave it, i will still be on this forum checking threads to see whats happening.

I'm with you....I had enough as well and have been really enjoying 2K hockey which is very unusual for me......EA's game has the most blatant cheating I've ever seen. I've noticed all the things you mentioned plus I saw numerous instances of the AI's stick traveling right through my players body parts in order to perform clean puck steals. There is one particular cheat when the AI is behind late in the game where you can not skate the puck out from behind your own net anywhere close to an AI defender or you will risk the stick through the body.... swipe the puck super clean ....and perfect shot quick score cheat. It happens so fast and is so fixed that I just finally said enough already.

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