Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

[Vikes1]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheWatcher

But here's my question to Peter Moore's desire.... what are they trying to make Madden into?

Yep Watcher...it'll be interesting to see what the future holds for the Madden game.

I kind of wonder if Ian's vision is in conflict with Peter Moore's? I'm hoping a balance can be struck....in our favor.

[Herky]

Madden 2005 was a very good game, but it's gone downhill since. Why is that?

Don't get me started on next gen. NCAA was outstanding this year after the patch. Why can't Madden be? I remember the days of Madden usually being the better of the two games.

I don't want to flame, but this is pretty silly.

[mwjr]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

I was in no way excusing the shortcomings of Madden with my response post to his.

I wasn't suggesting you did. I think we're on the same page:

Consumers' expectations must be managed. However, as consumers, we should be able to expect the basics in our video games, and right now, we're not getting those basics.

[mwjr]

Quote: Originally Posted by SkinsBoYee

Ah...the old, we will see what 2010 holds. That will be the true test. I can't wait till its 2020 and we are saying the same thing. We have been saying that line since the jump to next gen. What is that 4 or 5 years now? I could be off.

I really don't think waiting until 2010 is a big deal. As I mentioned a few pages back, it took them 4 iterations on the previous generation to finally get a masterpiece (i.e. Madden 2004). This next edition marks the 4th shot of Madden on the new gen. We'll have to see,

Two problems, however:
1. The early versions of Madden on the PS2 (Madden 2001-2003) were nowhere as bad, IMO, as these early versions are relative to the new technology.
2. There is no competition now, like there was back then.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by mwjr

I wasn't suggesting you did. I think we're on the same page: Consumers' expectations must be managed. However, as consumers, we should be able to expect the basics in our video games, and right now, we're not getting those basics.

we are definitely on the same page in that regard.

[SemperVictoria]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Next year it'll be interesting to see if the same people complaining are the ones most excited and willing to hop on the hype train soon as it kicks off. While it should be the hardcore demanding a quality football title it will likely be the so-called casuals that actually force change.

Come on Spank--you know the answer to this.

I'm sorry to say, but anyone who actually thinks Madden is going to significantly change (for the better) anytime soon-- is a fool. Sorry to sound so harsh, but that’s the reality of the situation.

[TheWatcher]

Quote: Originally Posted by mwjr

I really don't think waiting until 2010 is a big deal. As I mentioned a few pages back, it took them 4 iterations on the previous generation to finally get a masterpiece (i.e. Madden 2004). This next edition marks the 4th shot of Madden on the new gen.

Actually, 2010 will mark software gen 5 (06, 07, 08, 09, 2010)

To me the bigger question marks come when you consider that they've been developing Madden on 360 since 2004. The game hasn't gone up leaps and bounds even though they've been developing it for this long, and this year's game is only considered acceptable by consensus but that's about it. I know that people tend to focus on the demands of one dev cycle, but never consider that this game has been in development for 4+ years and yet still has a number of the same problems it had when it first started. Sure, one cycle is not much time, but 4 certainly is.

The first 3 years 06 through 08 were just killed by really bad decisions and a misguided vision of what a football game should be. The decision for TV presentation to be ignored which happened in 06 07 and 08, will certainly go down in history as one of the EA's worst decisions. I'll always wonder how something so misguided could've been okayed. What were they thinking?

I want to make one last point. While I'll agree that in some gens the 4th installment has usually showed the turning point whether it be from EA or 2K, there have been gens where football games were good (and some great) day one. I look at the first Tecmo Bowl. I look at the first NFL 2K. I look at the first Madden on PS1. The first NFL Gameday on PS1. The one thing you notice about all of those games is that they seemed to be guided by a really strong vision that made sense for its time. A lot of what they've done with Madden in this era have been the complete opposite.

[jmood88]

Quote: Originally Posted by VikingFan4Ever

Madden 2005 was a very good game, but it's gone downhill since. Why is that? Don't get me started on next gen. NCAA was outstanding this year after the patch. Why can't Madden be? I remember the days of Madden usually being the better of the two games. I don't want to flame, but this is pretty silly.

NCAA is just a more arcadey version of Madden. It gets a pass because NCAA football has higher scores than the NFL but it's not an outstanding game.