Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

[koebner]

Quote: Originally Posted by rckabillyRaider

Anybody know the trade in value for madden CE?

Last I saw,via CAG,was $38.

[rckabillyRaider]

Quote: Originally Posted by koebner

Last I saw,via CAG,was $38.

whats CAG?? I only have gamestops in my area and also FYE

[TheTodd84]

DrUrsus... Of course I don't ACTUALLY want the stock market to crash. I was just trying to make a point.

And if you don't think EA does that b/c of the investors, then you are naive. The Investors want a game each year that will sell. You don't own stock in EA or give them any money, so your influence and opinion, as well as mine, mean nothing. That is what I mean by the corruption on wall street. And that is how it works.

I am sorry to hear you lost so much money, I really hope things get better for you, but I was just being sarcastic.

But, if you want to make a statement, no one buy the game next year, and when the sales plummet, so will the stock, and the investors will listen, so will EA. Otherwise, forget it

[TheTodd84]

oh and in that last statement, I meant I was being sarcastic about wanting a stock market crash, not about you getting your money back. I truly do wish you the best.

[Revolution42]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheWatcher

There are some serious reamings going on here. I'm seeing some guys here who--just from me searching a bit--l see have been the staunchest most fiery supporters of Madden over many years, now exploding. Shocking stuff. I rented Madden 09 this year after the tragedy that was Madden 08 (one of the worst football games of all time in my view). I liked Madden 09 after that rental, and I still do. But there is no way I can deny that this game is way behind and with a lot of sloppy mistakes. But a lot of the things are just a result of making bad design decisions, not giving the user more say-so over their experience, and having what appears to be an internal confusion as to whether this game should be presented as an non-serious presentation of football (not even the casuals want that!), or a TV Football broadcast (which is what it should've been from day one with Madden 06). When you begin to run down all of the broadcast elements missing from a game that was touted as "beyond broadcast presentation" you can't help but laugh a bit. You almost want them to make a public apology for that slogan, lol. The disparity between that slogan and the reality that played out in Madden 09, would be akin to your friend telling you he has a HOT girl for you to meet, you show up, and then he introduces you to Rosie O'Donnell... Still, I acknowledge the improvements in the game. I honestly didn't expect much more than what Madden 09 is after playing Madden 08. I do expect Madden 2010 to be that pivotal game, even though the thought of that is a little ridiculous going now 5 seasons in. But, this is where we are. Sad, but this is where we are. Testing/Quality Control is obviously a problem with this product, and after reading through posts here, watching Youtube videos, and also personally agreeing, it would be wise for the devs to just acknowledge the definite problem and take some extreme measures to rectify it. Denying the testing/quality control issues isn't helping the product. By now, I'm sure they've all had the opportunity to identify which guys in these communities have the most insight on what's wrong with the game. It's time to start making some private invitations to get some of those guys into the testing and concept development process, and I'm sure most if not all would do it for free. Public Beta demos would be the smartest way to go, but for streamlining purposes selecting a smaller group might be more effective. Now, let me talk about why I wonder about their overall knowledge of pro football as a whole which I think is a problem. I'm not talking X's and O's. I'm talking about basic, natural occurences, and history. Little things reveal issues as much as big things. There are extreme things like how players can make plays that defy the laws of physics on a regular basis, and then there are small things like during the loading screen where NFL Facts that any NFL fan would know are wrong. I laughed when one fact said that the Steelers won Super Bowl 30, but we all know they were beaten by the Cowboys 27-17, and there are a few more that just make you shake your head and laugh. You know 10-year old little Billy wouldn't notice, but gamers have grown up. A lot of the 25 yo+ crowd is still playing and they will notice things like that. Then there are the obvious mistakes with the Hall of Fame players. In '07 they did a decent job, but since then they've been totally screwed up. When you don't get Joe Montana right, a GOAT QB, it's time to just stop even making HOF players. It's disgraceful to have Joe Montana in the game and then give him the wrong equipment... And what makes it worse is that you can't edit the HOFer's. And you know what? He was screwed up in '08 too, so obviously the guys working on this have no clue as to what Joe Montana wore and what he looked like among other players. Guys, it's time to hit the books, grab some NFL Films and study up hard on the history of the NFL. When you start from there and digest this into your thinking, you will almost certainly be looking at Madden in a whole new way. I promise that doing this exercise will make the game better just by it having an influence on your approach. ... I think the problem isn't just programming, it's also mindset and philosophy. The core philosophy of Madden is not serious football, and that issue carries over to how the game is presented, too. There are guys in communities like these that could help them eliminate a lot of these problems. It just comes down to whether they're going to use them or not. Wishlists aren't enough. The inolvement has to be direct. If not, we'll be right back here year after year, talking about the same problems.

The "Rosie O'Donnell" statement....an excellent analogy on many levels.

..........maybe next year.............probably not....but maybe, just maybe. Ok...who am I fooling...

[rudyjuly2]

The biggest mistake was for EA to ever come on the boards and talk about the DLC. It was assumed by many to be a reality. It's like promising little Jimmy some ice cream after dinner if he finishes his meal. And after he finishes eating all his vegetables, you look in the freezer and see there's no ice cream. Not only does little Jimmy get no ice cream, the parents don't even tell him why. They just say, "Sorry Jimmy. We lied. We're not giving you any ice cream so go to bed." Jimmy just got shafted and never even got an explanation. The lack of an explanation is what makes it that much worse.

I'm sure Ian and Phil meant well when they promised the DLC. But they should at least have the guts to come on here and say we screwed up and why. Even if they can't say everything, say something.

[bjf1377]

Quote: Originally Posted by rckabillyRaider

whats CAG?? I only have gamestops in my area and also FYE

CAG = www.cheapa**gamer.com (link works, I just self-censored). Its a website that has a forums where the users post about a lot of gaming & DVD deals

[Segagendude]

Quote: Originally Posted by rudyjuly2

The biggest mistake was for EA to ever come on the boards and talk about the DLC. It was assumed by many to be a reality. It's like promising little Jimmy some ice cream after dinner if he finishes his meal. And after he finishes eating all his vegetables, you look in the freezer and see there's no ice cream. Not only does little Jimmy get no ice cream, the parents don't even tell him why. They just say, "Sorry Jimmy. We lied. We're not giving you any ice cream so go to bed." Jimmy just got shafted and never even got an explanation. The lack of an explanation is what makes it that much worse. I'm sure Ian and Phil meant well when they promised the DLC. But they should at least have the guts to come on here and say we screwed up and why. Even if they can't say everything, say something.

Or promised by the high school head cheerleader that she'd go to the prom with you, only to cancel at the last minute, with no explanation. Leaving you hanging and extremely embarassed.......ahh, but I got my revenge on that *****. Oh yeah, I got mine....she's never been the same since that fateful night in 1987.......that backstabbing little.......

*ahem* what were we talking about again?