Madden NFL 09 2008 Super Bowl Video (IGN)

[kwas676]

I'm not trying to be a jerk but some of you guys over saturate about little things, the whole endzone paint isn't a big deal, I didn't see the o line sync when they should the full game clip and as long as there working on it I'm cool knowing its gonna change.

[Ian_Cummings]

Quote: Originally Posted by Exonerated

Sorry for my fail attempt at sarcasm lol. Was trying to satirise the Ea haters.

Yeah I got your sarcasm...I wanted to quote you because you kind of echoed the point I wanted to drive home.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rawdeal28

Ian, is it really difficult for you guys to get the game to always choose the right animation for each situation?? cuz alot of the problems people point out are because the game chooses the wrong animation to play out at certain times.

The new wrap system helped our "animation matching" problem greatly for this year. Unfortunately we weren't able to fully utilize it for blocking moves yet. The good news is that it will make improvements easy in the future.

[poster]

Thanks Ian for looking into the issue of a RB trucking a DT.

I also will say the team specific end zones in the Super Bowl badly need to be put back in. Much like NCAA bowl games with no end zone art, it just is not right and frustrates me. Thanks for listening.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheFuture15

If a lack of true edge rushing looping animations and the possibility of synchronized OL get engaged moves are deal breakers for you, then I'd have to say 09 has all of that. However if you can get past those issues and take a look at the bigger picture, I think you'll be much more pleased. When I look at the game experience as a whole I feel we've definitely delivered a great product. As for Maroney and the monster stiff-arm, that is mainly an animation bug. He "won" the stiff-arm check but he played the "Super-Win" animation instead of playing a more subdued one. I will check on that and see if that actually is in the final build, and if it is, look into addressing it.

We'll see, but I don't see how the game could be great when it's lacking in so many key fundamental areas. There's obviously nice things going on with the game, and the graphics pop. But the animations are very questionable at times. This video is a good example - it gives the game an unnatural and rehearsed feel. It's like the game is trying to call what the devs feel are "cool" animations, instead of appropriate ones - like defensive ends getting flipped for example. Let alone when they're getting flipped in unison. It's more like the offensive/defensive line is an afterthought where there's no individuality, little sense that these guys are engaging in their own individual battles while trying to work cohesively as a group. The game looks much improved, but if you have to throw out the caveat of looking past the OL/DL play, WR/DB play, QB play, etc., I don't see how the game is to a point where it can be considered great - at least from a gameplay standpoint

[Ian_Cummings]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

We'll see, but I don't see how the game could be great when it's lacking in so many key fundamental areas. There's obviously nice things going on with the game, and the graphics pop. But the animations are very questionable at times. This video is a good example - it gives the game an unnatural and rehearsed feel. It's like the game is trying to call what the devs feel are "cool" animations, instead of appropriate ones - like defensive ends getting flipped for example. Let alone when they're getting flipped in unison. It's more like the offensive/defensive line is an afterthought where there's no individuality, little sense that these guys are engaging in their own individual battles while trying to work cohesively as a group. The game looks much improved, but if you have to throw out the caveat of looking past the OL/DL play, WR/DB play, QB play, etc., I don't see how the game is to a point where it can be considered great - at least from a gameplay standpoint

I guess I call a game that is fun to play a great game. Just wondering out loud if say we deliver those 3 things above in 2010, will you then point out some other fundamental area that you feel is lacking? Would I then see a post for Madden 2010 saying "Sure they have better OL/DL, WR/DB, and QB play, but the players still don't pile on to the ball when there is a fumble. How can EA consider this game great when they are lacking in such fundamental areas as this?"

What I mean is, (and not trying to sound condescending...trying to ask a valid question), will all the additions in the world ever outweigh the constant drive to be critical and push the game farther? Realistically...won't there always be something in real life that we just aren't simulating in a video game? Or do you think there will be a point where you are like "Holy Crap this is the game of my dreams...don't change anything!"?

[RealmK]

Quote: Originally Posted by maddenps2

Theres a difference between a natural looking sync with the offensive lineman and the identical animations and approach and follow engagement blocking in the video. All 3 offensive lineman used the EXACT same animation, frame for frame, from the beginning to the end of the block. It looked really scripted, the defensive lineman also almost react in the exact same manner. In real life while they would be in sync, but the way they move into the block, technique and engagement would be varied. Their arms, legs and the animations after engaging the different defensive lineman would be varied because the battle between different athletes differs because of various reason such as strength, weight, technique, balance, and angle of attack. The sync in the video looks unnatural that would be obvious to anyone who watches it. As for your defense of RB de-cleating and plowing over the defensive lineman. There are many problems with what happened in the video. First of all Maroney is running nearly straight up when he is approaching the incoming defender, he hits the dt while standing nearly straight up, the collision then de-cleats the 300 pound defensive lineman, yet there no reaction to Maroney's upper body from the collision. Realistic?, huh, No reaction from a collision that de-cleated a defensive lineman outweighing maroney by 80 pounds, a collision in which he was standing straight up.

Some of you guys sure do nitpick the smallest things. RB's DO stiff arm DT's in the NFL, watch real football sometime, these guys are pro players and routienely pull off plays they prolly shouldn't for their size.

As for the Oline animations, getting all upset over the Oline using the same animation is really silly. Oh gods I can't buy the game now! When the Oline shifts they don't have super special different animations for each guy! the world is going to end!

Add to that its been said time and time again that Off/Def line issues that are well documented will be addressed, theres only so many months in a dev cycle and only so much focus you can put on a particular thing. I'd rather they do it right and not half *** it, thanks very much.

[RealmK]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheFuture15

I guess I call a game that is fun to play a great game. Just wondering out loud if say we deliver those 3 things above in 2010, will you then point out some other fundamental area that you feel is lacking? What I mean is, (and not trying to sound condescending...trying to ask a valid question), will all the additions in the world ever outweigh the constant drive to be critical and push the game farther, or will there be a point where you are like "Holy Crap this is the game of my dreams...don't change anything!"?

No Ian, I'm sure he'd find another list of things to harp on. I for one appriciate the input we've gotten to add to the game this year, I also appriciate you guys working on the game taking the time to post on various forums. It pains me that everyone these days is so all about "entitlement" that they take stuff like that for granted and just piss and moan for the sake of pissing and moaning. Or at least coming off like that even if it wasn't the intention.

[Exonerated]

^^^^^

Yeah Agreed. Too many complainers for the sake of complaining.

The game is heading in the right direction. Add the same level of input and effort in future years as you did this year, and no one can fault you.