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[allBthere]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmood88

Which games? People are saying it because this is a company that has never made games before and isn't showing anything. Your reasoning is faulty. There is absolutely no comparison between the two situations. The only thing that's similar is that they are using engines that they built. Epic, however showed the game to people(the media) before it came out, all the news about Backbreaker is coming from the team. No one has seen the game in action. Epic has also made games before so people don't really have a reason to be skeptical of them coming out with a game. There has been nothing shown to suggest that a game is actually coming out. It has no release date, it hasn't been shown to the press, they haven't released any videos showing gameplay(outside of that one minigame video.) We haven't even seen more than two teams. It's pretty clear that if this whole thing is a tech demo then it isn't going to be a full game. I posted the definition of a tech demo and that's what this game is looking like right now. Madden and All Pro Football are full games, we don't know what this thing is going to be. A football game is a tech demo when you never see things working in concert. All we have seen are shots of tackling, a soundless pan of a stadium, and a few clips of the crowd. My criteria is pretty simple: show gameplay or I'll assume then I'll continue to speculate on whether it's a tech demo or not. If this was an established company that didn't have anything to gain by showing parts of their engine then my thinking would change but that's not the case with this game. Do you still not understand what a tech demo is? What I don't get is why you and a couple other people in here get so offended because people are talking about it being a tech demo.

I've bolded sections that are either - contradictions, incoherent, or false logical progressions.

If you heard on the radio that someone is dead in a parkinglot, and I said with absolutle certainty "It was a suicide." would you then see how your logical progression is false? Because this is really what you're doing.

you said yourself at one point " ..we don't know what this thing is going to be." Yet continuously call it a tech demo. How can you do this when you admit that you obviously don't know what it is?

I have a reasonable position here to believe the game will be released on the 360 for example (press releases, in game footage shown running on next gen console, dev diaries, ask the developer segements).
You have absolutely NO reason to assume the game will not release, or that it is a tech demo. It doesn't matter how many times you post "I haven't seen anything, so it's a tech demo/not being released" that statement will be wrong a multiple levels every time.

Heck, even if the game isn't released; that still doesn't make it a tech demo. There are many games that have been canned by first-time developers or otherwise (frame city killer, thrill kill).

Now, what are you going to say if the game releases this summer? ... "oops" ??? you had no reason to believe it wasn't going to be in the first place. This game is like any of the other hundreds of other games that at some point had a TBA release date.

I'd also like to add that All-Pro Football 2k8 didn't have any gameplay footage at this point last year, so in all fairness it's not reasonable to expect more from 6 men (backbreaker team). Last I checked backbreaker hasn't been released, so they still have time to release footage (not that this magically makes the game more real)

[jmood88]

Quote: Originally Posted by allBthere

I've bolded sections that are either - contradictions, incoherent, or false logical progressions.

When you bold parts without the responses of course it doesn't look right but I was responding to things that you said so whatever contradictions you think there are they stem from your statements.

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If you heard on the radio that someone is dead in a parkinglot, and I said with absolutle certainty "It was a suicide." would you then see how your logical progression is false? Because this is really what you're doing.

That's not even close to what I've done.

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you said yourself at one point " ..we don't know what this thing is going to be." Yet continuously call it a tech demo. How can you do this when you admit that you obviously don't know what it is?

I did not call it a tech demo, I said that that is what it looks like right now and I gave reasons for why people are calling it a tech demo.

[quote]I have a reasonable position here to believe the game will be released on the 360 for example (press releases, in game footage shown running on next gen console, dev diaries, ask the developer segements).

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You have absolutely NO reason to assume the game will not release, or that it is a tech demo. It doesn't matter how many times you post "I haven't seen anything, so it's a tech demo/not being released" that statement will be wrong a multiple levels every time.

First of all, how in the world can you tell me that I'm "wrong" when you have no more information than I do? Second of all, I do have reason to think that this game might not come out and I've repeated it multiple times.

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Heck, even if the game isn't released; that still doesn't make it a tech demo. There are many games that have been canned by first-time developers or otherwise (frame city killer, thrill kill).

If it's not released then it's either a tech demo or a waste of time/money.

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Now, what are you going to say if the game releases this summer? ... "oops" ??? you had no reason to believe it wasn't going to be in the first place. This game is like any of the other hundreds of other games that at some point had a TBA release date.

I'll say "hey, Backbreaker just came out".

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I'd also like to add that All-Pro Football 2k8 didn't have any gameplay footage at this point last year, so in all fairness it's not reasonable to expect more from 6 men (backbreaker team). Last I checked backbreaker hasn't been released, so they still have time to release footage (not that this magically makes the game more real)

All Pro Football was made by a company that has made games before and was shown to the press. Also, All Pro Football was announced around January 07 and shown to magazines in March/April 07. Backbreaker was announced last November and we still haven't seen anything substantial.

[allBthere]

[quote=jmood88;2038361995]When you bold parts without the responses of course it doesn't look right but I was responding to things that you said so whatever contradictions you think there are they stem from your statements.


That's not even close to what I've done.


I did not call it a tech demo, I said that that is what it looks like right now and I gave reasons for why people are calling it a tech demo.

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I have a reasonable position here to believe the game will be released on the 360 for example (press releases, in game footage shown running on next gen console, dev diaries, ask the developer segements). First of all, how in the world can you tell me that I'm "wrong" when you have no more information than I do? Second of all, I do have reason to think that this game might not come out and I've repeated it multiple times. If it's not released then it's either a tech demo or a waste of time/money. I'll say "hey, Backbreaker just came out". All Pro Football was made by a company that has made games before and was shown to the press. Also, All Pro Football was announced around January 07 and shown to magazines in March/April 07. Backbreaker was announced last November and we still haven't seen anything substantial.

bold #1 here's you pg. 17 official backbreaker: "you need to show more than short clips of a tech demo."

again: "If they had actually shown something other than tech demos I would have no problem getting excited about the game" ***that's called a contradiction

there are a bunch of others flat out calling it a tech demo too. Also the videos we've seen are "in-game footage running on next gen consoles".

Bold#2 - All of the information available points to the game being developed and eventually released on consoles. None of the information available indicates that it will not - that's why it's odd that you and others relentlessly call it a tech demo or deny it will be released. As I said, repeat yourself till you're blue in the face, and you'll still have no foundation for your argument every time. You haven't even provided a similar scenario which has lead you to believe what you do.

Bold#3, and I'll say - "why did you waste everyone's time trying to convince them the game isn't comming out or that it's a tech demo when you had no evidence or reasons to assume so?"

bold#4 - we actually didn't see anything substantial for all-pro until june 28 with the on the spot gameplay footage.

By reading over your posts I've realized that they actually have nothing to do with discussing backbreaker. They contribute nothing to those that have interest in the game. Why do you keep repeating yourself over and over? What is your reason for posting in the backbreaker threads? What do you feel you've contributed to the discussion?

your biggest points; they have never made a game before, and they haven't released as much information as other games, and their release date is TBA/// so what? we read that, and undertand that, what's the point in constantly posting that?

[Bigdmo9999]

If this game was a tech demo, they would've let GTA speak on its behalf. Obviously they aren't making this game to put into more games because people have already seen GTA and probably are impressed, Madden people are. A TECH DEMO would be whatever T2 and R* saw when planning GTA IV. A GAME would be what we are seeing being made in the works. Just cause its a first time thing doesn't make it a tech demo, stop being so negative and cluttering this thread, please leave it to the people who actually care about this game

[jmood88]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bigdmo9999

If this game was a tech demo, they would've let GTA speak on its behalf. Obviously they aren't making this game to put into more games because people have already seen GTA and probably are impressed, Madden people are. A TECH DEMO would be whatever T2 and R* saw when planning GTA IV. A GAME would be what we are seeing being made in the works. Just cause its a first time thing doesn't make it a tech demo, stop being so negative and cluttering this thread, please leave it to the people who actually care about this game

Showing the engine in GTA has nothing to do with showing what it could do in a football game. This thread isn't only for people who are excited about a game that has barely been seen. I'm not saying that it could be a tech demo because it's their first time making a game, I'm talking about it because of more than other reasons which I have said already.

[Bigdmo9999]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmood88

Showing the engine in GTA has nothing to do with showing what it could do in a football game. This thread isn't only for people who are excited about a game that has barely been seen. I'm not saying that it could be a tech demo because it's their first time making a game, I'm talking about it because of more than other reasons which I have said already.

You seem to be basing your claims of not showing us anything and whatever else garbage you're passing off as valid excuses off the sole fact that EA Garbage 09 is releasing stuff and coming out soon. BB doesn't have a deadline other than December 31, 2008. Do you know how much time between now and then there is for them to finish the game and show us stuff. People seem to think that this game should come out June 1st or its screwed. A late July early August would probably be the best time to release because people will be disappointed by NCAA and skeptical about Madden. I'd also like to point out that EA has gameplay videos because their games are rehashes of last year. BB is new and fresh, their first time, of course they won't have any videos yet, sheesh. Just stop using the "they aren't showing us anything" excuse, its getting old and frankly isn't valid anymore.

[jmood88]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bigdmo9999

You seem to be basing your claims of not showing us anything and whatever else garbage you're passing off as valid excuses off the sole fact that EA Garbage 09 is releasing stuff and coming out soon. BB doesn't have a deadline other than December 31, 2008. Do you know how much time between now and then there is for them to finish the game and show us stuff. People seem to think that this game should come out June 1st or its screwed. A late July early August would probably be the best time to release because people will be disappointed by NCAA and skeptical about Madden. I'd also like to point out that EA has gameplay videos because their games are rehashes of last year. BB is new and fresh, their first time, of course they won't have any videos yet, sheesh. Just stop using the "they aren't showing us anything" excuse, its getting old and frankly isn't valid anymore.

It certainly is valid and I'm not basing anything on EA's schedule so I don't know why you're bringing them up. Once again, I don't care about Madden or NCAA, I'm not an EA football fan. You can say that it's getting old if you want but there's a reason why alot of people are skeptical about this game coming and it's not because they're using a new engine.

[Bigdmo9999]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmood88

It certainly is valid and I'm not basing anything on EA's schedule so I don't know why you're bringing them up. Once again, I don't care about Madden or NCAA, I'm not an EA football fan. You can say that it's getting old if you want but there's a reason why alot of people are skeptical about this game coming and it's not because they're using a new engine.

alright, name a couple other points...