Madden 09 Producer Blog: Play Call Changes: EA Sports

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by capp34

Guy goes on rant because they added thats right added something to the game....hilarious

What's hilarious is your interpretation of my post. I didn't go on a rant because they added something. I gave my opinion on what they added and listed things I would prefer they add instead. Yeah, that's the same thing.

[a4reak]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

Great! Call it what you like. The info is posted so people can comment on it. I'm commenting on it. The positive comments in this post are based on the same info my comments were. Why are you not reminding them it's only May? Why can you be impressed by features in May but not be impressed? No. But I will comment just like everyone else who post in a new information thread. Are you going to follow me around challenging my opinions everytime any bit of informaton is released?

I think your missing the point. EA has yet to give the typical EA blitz of information so I am not going to question gameplay additions until I get a full understanding of what if anything did they do. When we have yet to hear one line of commentary from Hammond n Collinsworth, I question how anyone can complain right now on the short comings (like you did in your first post) with the little to no info we have.

[yamabushi]

Quote: Originally Posted by a4reak

Im not speaking for anyone else just myslef. Im not accepting anything low. This was not supposed to be a look at gam,eplay, b/c its a look at the play call menu. Obviously if we come closer to release and hear no gameplay improvements I will bitch but its just a small blog detailing little things, the same blogged on weather, and celebrations. We have seen little gameplay at all and excuse me if I actually want to take a wait and see approach before I curse EA. We have yet to hear Hammond n Collinsworth for christ sakes

I think thats the heart of the matter; every press release that talks about screens, or stats, or stadium graphics is one not about gameplay.
and weve all heard collinsworth before(hey OS, can we get a 'smilie' of someone vomiting?).

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by coogrfan

Which brings us back to your "EA probably considers this part of presentation" statement. Why would you assume that?

Replays are a presentation element, no? Stat overlays?

Quote: Originally Posted by coogrfan

It seems to me that were talking about two wholly separate things here. The UI team is concerned with things like menus, play calling screens and depth charts, while the presentation folks are working on cut scenes, replays and the like. The necessary programming skills would seem (to me, at least) to be completely different, so to assume that an increased effort in one area will automatically mean a shortfall somewhere else is, imo, questionable at best.

I think we read different things. The blog is titled Play Call Changes. On the Play Call screen you can now view replays and stats. Replays and the way stats are shown are presentation elements.

Quote: Originally Posted by coogrfan

Let me put it this way--it's like blaming NCAA 08's lack of alternate uni's on the folks who came up with the "My shrine" concept. Both teams worked on the same game, but it's unlikely that either teams efforts directly affected those of the other.

No, it's like blaming NCAA's lack of camera angles on the guys that work on camera angles. Again, I don't see how replays & stat presentation are outside of the presentation elements of the game. You listed replays as a presentation element yourself.

[roadman]

Field goal returns must have been put under a new category this season. Instead of gameplay, it must be considered by the public as presentation this year.

[a4reak]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

Replays are a presentation element, no? Stat overlays? I think we read different things. The blog is titled Play Call Changes. On the Play Call screen you can now view replays and stats. Replays and the way stats are shown are presentation elements. No, it's like blaming NCAA's lack of camera angles on the guys that work on camera angles. Again, I don't see how replays & stat presentation are outside of the presentation elements of the game. You listed replays as a presentation element yourself.

So in the four plus minutes of gameplay vids, its been confirmed no stat overlays tv presentation style or replays? Sorry I missed that

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Apparently we do. Like someone else already mentioned, there are Tv style stat overlays, something we've already seen in the whopping 4 mins of video we've been overwhelmed with.

Again, great. If there are consistent stat overlays in the game, you could've simply corrected me. But the spin you try to put on my post is terrible.

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

It's also pretty evident a lot of 2k's running elements have made it into Madden.

The upright running? That wasn't a positive in my opinion.

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

If you're waiting for a carbon copy of 2k... well, you'll be waiting a long time.

I'm not looking for a copy of 2K. I could care less about 2K. Don't mistake my preferences for 2K loyalty just because they used things I liked. I just want things I like in Madden, just like everyone else here. It's nothing more than that. If you assume it is, that is your mistake.

[coogrfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

Replays are a presentation element, no? Stat overlays? I think we read different things. The blog is titled Play Call Changes. On the Play Call screen you can now view replays and stats. Replays and the way stats are shown are presentation elements. No, it's like blaming NCAA's lack of camera angles on the guys that work on camera angles. Again, I don't see how replays & stat presentation are outside of the presentation elements of the game. You listed replays as a presentation element yourself.

In my view there's a difference between in-game tv style replays/stat overlays and the user controlled replays/stats that we've traditionally had to pause the game to see. The former can be considered a part of presentation (if we accept that term to mean "recreating the feel of a tv broadcast"), while the latter is more properly considered a part of the overall user interface.

The replays and stats on the playcalling screen will be of the more traditional "pause screen" variety, EA is just implementing a short cut.

You are, of course, free to see things differently.