NCAA Football 09 Stadium Comparison Screenshots

[rolltide1017]

Quote: Originally Posted by cdjacobs

This was asked at the 08 Community Day. They didn't have items like that in 08 to ensure the game ran at 60 FPS on 360 and 30 FPS on the PS3. It addition, they faced the dilemma of using time to add them in or use it on gameplay related features.

That's a BS excuse IMO. If a few referees and goal post nets cause your frame rate to not achieve 60fps (or worse 30 on the PS3) then the rest of you code is not optimized well. How can The Show have such great detail in there stadiums plus full 3D crowds and, things like the apple rising in NY, the train moving on HR in Huston, fans hitting beach balls all while the game holds a solid frame rate. But EA can't add refs or nets without there frame rate suffering. Just doesn't make sense to me, maybe the game engine EA built isn't that good then.

I understand that there is more going on in football games so, the graphics will not be as good other games but, I just don't get why it is so hard to add refs or nets on these consoles (especially when the PS2 ans Xbox 1 could handle them).

[green94]

Quote: Originally Posted by rolltide1017

That's a BS excuse IMO. If a few referees and goal post nets cause your frame rate to not achieve 60fps (or worse 30 on the PS3) then the rest of you code is not optimized well. How can The Show have such great detail in there stadiums plus full 3D crowds and, things like the apple rising in NY, the train moving on HR in Huston, fans hitting beach balls all while the game holds a solid frame rate. But EA can't add refs or nets without there frame rate suffering. Just doesn't make sense to me, maybe the game engine EA built isn't that good then. I understand that there is more going on in football games so, the graphics will not be as other games but, I just don't get why it is so hard to add refs or nets on these consoles (especially when the PS2 ans Xbox 1 could handle them).

Good post.

[edubbs]

Quote: Originally Posted by rolltide1017

I understand that there is more going on in football games so, the graphics will not be as other games but, I just don't get why it is so hard to add refs or nets on these consoles (especially when the PS2 ans Xbox 1 could handle them).

It's the 10 year old base engine that they are using from the PS2 and Xbox hardware, that's the meat of the problem.

Until they create a new engine we will not be getting these things. Basicly their NextGen football efforts have just been spruced up last gen games to this point.

They are having fits getting their football titles too match the quality of games that are 4-5 years old from the old consoles.

Don't expect refs, nets, etc. this year because Tiborun just got the game to run at 60fps this past year, adding that stuff will just hinder the games framerate.

It's very frustrating I know....

I'm still waiting on a realistic QB pocket and defensive ends that actually rush up field, instead of wrestling at the line of scrimmage with offensive tackles. This is a fundamental thing that has NEVER been in a Tiborun produced football game.

Instead they put in these stupid gimmick defensive plays to try and limit the 20 yard QB dropback/rollout, that have both defensive ends 'spying' the QB at the same time for example....SMH.

The engine they are using along with the lack of talent on the Dev teams, is causing both of their football franchises to be stagnent IMO.

Hopefully, we will see improvement next month when some 11 on 11 vids are released.

[JBucc]

They're a mixed bag, I think. The lighting and new field textures look fantastic. But I agree with the crowd looking bad. They look like cutouts again. At least 07 and 08 they looked 3d. The crowd in 09 is also less diverse, in the Tennesse shots it looks like the entire crowd is two or three models.

[rolltide1017]

Quote: Originally Posted by edubbs

It's the 10 year old base engine that they are using from the PS2 and Xbox hardware, that's the meat of the problem.

Really, I thought the said they wrote a brand new engine when they did the first NCAA on 360.

Quote: Originally Posted by JBucc

They're a mixed bag, I think. The lighting and new field textures look fantastic. But I agree with the crowd looking bad. They look like cutouts again. At least 07 and 08 they looked 3d. The crowd in 09 is also less diverse, in the Tennesse shots it looks like the entire crowd is two or three models.

I'm telling you, from what I see in the screenshots, it looks like they increased the field textures and added some new lighting effects (which look really good) but, had to compensate that by pulling back on the rest of the textures through out the stadiums. The crowds and stadium structure textures just don't look as good as 08 IMO. If they are really using a last gen engine then I understand why they would do this (think it stinks, but understand).

[countryboy]

the fact that people are now complaining about the crowd models, leads me to believe that EA is doing something right. Thats just me though

[kmart2180]

Is there anyone else that all this little extra stuff doesnt bother? I mean I seriously could careless about how great the crowd looks or if theres cheerleaders,fg nets, ref's ect......... What is comes down too is how good the game plays. What good would all that eye candy stuff be if the gameplay has to suffer because of the time being spent on the little thing.

In my opinion they need to take a year to focus on the most important thing in the game (GAMEPLAY) Overhaul it and then add all the toppings after that. Cause after a few times saying wow fg nets are in the game , there gonna be forgotten about in 2-3 games played. Same with everything else ref's,sideline's,fans ect....

So far what Ive seen has looked really good but again its all for not if the gameplay remains the same. Not that it is bad but it must get alot better imo. There are still fundemental aspects of the game that are flawed, like a pocket forming for the qb, or Defensive Ends that attack up field but also contain the outsides.

IMO we need more people bringing up the things that really matter instead of all the little things that should come after a solid foundation is built.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by kmart2180

Is there anyone else that all this little extra stuff doesnt bother? I mean I seriously could careless about how great the crowd looks or if theres cheerleaders,fg nets, ref's ect......... What is comes down too is how good the game plays. What good would all that eye candy stuff be if the gameplay has to suffer because of the time being spent on the little thing. In my opinion they need to take a year to focus on the most important thing in the game (GAMEPLAY) Overhaul it and then add all the toppings after that. Cause after a few times saying wow fg nets are in the game , there gonna be forgotten about in 2-3 games played. Same with everything else ref's,sideline's,fans ect.... So far what Ive seen has looked really good but again its all for not if the gameplay remains the same. Not that it is bad but it must get alot better imo. There are still fundemental aspects of the game that are flawed, like a pocket forming for the qb, or Defensive Ends that attack up field but also contain the outsides. IMO we need more people bringing up the things that really matter instead of all the little things that should come after a solid foundation is built.

I definitely feel you on gameplay 1st, but for me the gameplay isn't horrible so these little things would add alot more to the game. I enjoy the gameplay in 08 and for them to add the details, atmosphere and immersion of College football, I would be more than satisfied.