FOFC Super Team Draft - Voting Thread

larrymcg421 · 06-08-2012, 12:28 PM

Participants were asked to draft a super team in various categories. I've included those teams below.

Please vote for your top three super teams. I will use a 5-3-1 scoring system.

I've also included a list of picks by category. I think it would be fun if we ended up with an all-star team. So if you want (not required), also vote for the best individual pick (just one, not top three) in each category.

Participants may vote, just not for themselves. You also may include a write-up and justification for each of your picks below.

Here are the teams:

Chief Rum

1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer)
2.8 Gandalf-- Magic, Literary (JRR Tolkien)
3.1 Achilles-- Muscle, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
4.8 Dr. Manhattan-- Firepower, 20th Century (Alan Moore writer, Dave Gibbons artist, colorist John Higgins)
5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry)
6.8 Mount Olympus-- Base/Hideout, Mythology/Folklore (Unknown)
7.1 Han Solo-- Scrapper, Film (George Lucas)
8.8 Selene-- Protector, Female (Kevin Grevioux, Len Wiseman, Danny McBride, Kate Beckinsale)
9.1 J. Edgar Hoover-- Investigator, 19th Century (Real)
10.8 Donkey Kong, Arch Nemesis, Video Game (Shigeru Miyamoto/Nintendo/Sega)
11.1 Bumblebee, Sidekick, Animated (Hasbro)
12.8 Sookie Stackhouse-- Love Interest, 21st Century (Charmaine Harris)

Hoopsguy's Heroic Horde

1.2 Superman, Protector, 20th Century (Jerry Siegel)
2.7 Lara Croft, Investigator, Female (Toby Gard/Eidos)
3.2 Chewbacca/Sidekick/Film (Lucas)
4.7 Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Scrapper, TV (Joss Whedon)
5.2 Guinevere, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Chretien de Troyes)
6.7 Wyatt Earp - firepower, 19th century (real)
7.2 Batcave, Base/Hideout, ComicBook
8.7 Gordon Freeman, Science/Gadgets, Video Game (Gabe Newell/Valve)
9.2 Daenerys Targaryen, Magic, Literary (GRRM)
10.7 Rick Grimes, Leader, 21st Century (Robert Kirkman)
11.2 Shrek, Muscle, Animated (William Steig)
12.7 - Pharoah, Arch-Nemisis/Mythology (Moses, Book of Exodus)

Danny's Dashing Defenders

1.3 Jesus of Nazareth, Leader, Pre 19th century (Real)
2.6 Indiana Jones, Investigator, Film (Lucas)
3.3 Harry Potter, Magic, Literary (Rowlins)
4.6 Ellen Ripley, firepower, female (Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett)
5.3 Rocky Balboa, Scrapper, 20th century (sly Stallone)
6.6 Beowulf, Protector, Mythology/Folklore, unknown
7.3. Dr. Watson, Sidekick, 19th century (Doyle)
8.6 Lois Lane, Love Interest, Comic (Jerry Siegel)
9.3 Solid Snake Science / Gadgets, Video Game (Hideo Kojima)
10.6 The Master, Arch Nemesis, TV, (Sydney Newman, C. E. Webber, Donald Wilson)
11.3 Mr. Incredble, muscle, 21st century
12.6 Castle Greyskull, Base/hideout, Animated

Grover's Merry Muppets

1.4 Spider-Man, Protector, 20th Century (Stan Lee)
2.5 The Man With No Name, Scrapper, Film (Sergio Leone)
3.4 Tintin, Investigator, Comic Book (Hergé)
4.5 Count Dracula, Arch-Nemesis, 19th Century (Bram Stoker)
5.4 Helen of Troy, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
6.5 He-Man, Muscle, Animation (Mattel)
7.4 Samus Aran, Science/Gadgets, Female (Makato Kano)
8.5 Aragorn, Son of Arathorn, Leader, Literary (Tolkein)
9.4 USS Enterprise, Base/Hideout, TV (Roddenberry)
10.5 Heka, Magic, Mythology/Folklore (unknown)
11.4 Mega Man, Firepower, Video Game (Capcom)
12.5 Alyx Vance, Sidekick, 21st Century (Valve)

Deacon's Helpful Band

1.5 Merlin Magic, Pre- 19th Century Creator(Geoffry of Monmouth)
2.4 Robin Hood, Protector, Film (Michael Curtiz, Errol Flynn)
3.5 Wonder Woman ,Muscle,Female Creator(William Marston)
4.4 The TARDIS , Base/hideout, TV (Sydney Newman, C.E. Webber, Donald Wilson)
5.5 Zeus Leader, Mythology/Folklore (Unknown)
6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)
7.5 Walter Bishop Science/Gadgets, 21st century (JJ Abrams,Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci)
8.4 Master Chief Firepower, Video Game (Marcus Lehto, Rob McLees, Shi Kai Wang)
9.5 Mary Jane Watson , Love interest, Comic Book (Stan Lee, John Romita, Steve Ditko)
10.4 Popeye, Scrapper, Animated (E.C. Segar, Max Fleischer)
11.5 Friday Sidekick, Literary (Daniel Defoe)
12.4 Hercule Poirot , Investigator, 20th century (Agatha Christie)

Jackal's Jousting Jabberwocks

1.6 The One Above All, Leader, Comic Book (Writer - Steve Englehart, Artist - Gene Colan)
2.3 Silver Surfer, Sidekick, 20th Century (Jack Kirby)
3.6 Hercules, Muscle, Mythology/Folkore (Unknown)
4.3 Leonardo da Vinci, Science/Gadgets, Pre-19th Century (Real)
5.6 Tyler Durden, Scrapper, Literary (Chuck Palahniuk)
6.3 Brock Samson, Protector, 21st Century (Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer)
7.6 Charlene 'Charlie' McGee, Firepower, Female (Stephen King)
8.3 Genie of the Lamp, Magic, Film (Eric Goldberg and Robin Williams)
9.6 Jessica Rabbit, Love Interest, Animated (Gary K. Wolf)
10.3 Moby Dick, Arch Nemesis, 19th Century (Herman Melville)
11.6 High Hrothgar, Base/Hideout, Video Game (Bethesda Game Studios)
12.3 Columbo, Investigator, TV (Richard Levinson and William Link)

wade moore

1.7 James Bond, Arch Nemesis, 10th Century (Ian Fleming)
2.2 Satan, Leader, Pre-19th Century (John Milton)
3.7 The Death Star, Base/Hideout, Film (George Lucas)
4.2 Al Capone, Firepower, 19th Century (Real)
5.7 Raistlin Majere, Magic, Literary (Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman)
6.2 Ben Linus, Protector, TV (Jeffrey Lieber, J. J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof)
7.7 Daedelus, Science/Gadgets, Mythology/Folklore (unknown)
8.2 Bowser, Muscle, Video Game (Shigeru Miyamoto)
9.7 Harley Quinn, Sidekick, Comic Book (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm)
10.2 Dexter, Investigator, 21st Century (James Manos, Jr.)
11.7 Wile E. Coyote, Scrapper, Animation (Chuck Jones)
12.2 Poison Ivy, Love Interest, Female (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm)

oykib

1.8 Son Goku, Scrapper, Animated (Akira Toriyama/Bandai)
2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)
3.8 The Doctor, Science/Gadgets, Television (Sydney Newman, C. E. Webber
and Donald Wilson/BBC)
4.1 The Hulk, Muscle, 20th Century (Stan Lee and Jack Kirby)
5.8 Kratos, Arch Nemesis, 21st Century (Sony Computer Entertainment)
6.1 Supergirl, Sidekick, Female (Otto Binder and Al Pastino)
7.8 Paul Muad'Dib Atreides, Leader, Literary (Frank Herbert)
8.1 Revan, Magic, Video Game (Casey Hudson/LucasArts)
9.8 Apollo, Firepower, Mythology (unknown)
10.1 Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Protector, Comic Book (John Broome and Gil Kane)
11.8 N.S.E.A. Protector, Base/Hideout, Film (David Howard, Robert Gordon and Dean Parisot)
12.1 Cleopatra, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Real)

Autumn · 06-08-2012, 12:30 PM

I would love to hear people's explanations of their teams. Also, if they could post them in a set order to make it easy to look at them side by side, that would be awesome.

larrymcg421 · 06-08-2012, 12:30 PM

Leader

1.3 Jesus of Nazareth, Leader, Pre 19th century (Real)
1.6 The One Above All, Leader, Comic Book (Writer - Steve Englehart, Artist - Gene Colan)
2.2 Satan, Leader, Pre-19th Century (John Milton)
5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry)
5.5 Zeus Leader, Mythology/Folklore (Unknown)
7.8 Paul Muad'Dib Atreides, Leader, Literary (Frank Herbert)
8.5 Aragorn, Son of Arathorn, Leader, Literary (Tolkein)
10.7 Rick Grimes, Leader, 21st Century (Robert Kirkman)

Muscle

3.1 Achilles-- Muscle, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
3.5 Wonder Woman ,Muscle,Female Creator(William Marston)
3.6 Hercules, Muscle, Mythology/Folkore (Unknown)
4.1 The Hulk, Muscle, 20th Century (Stan Lee and Jack Kirby)
6.5 He-Man, Muscle, Animation (Mattel)
8.2 Bowser, Muscle, Video Game (Shigeru Miyamoto)
11.2 Shrek, Muscle, Animated (William Steig)
11.3 Mr. Incredible, muscle, 21st century

Scrapper

1.8 Son Goku, Scrapper, Animated (Akira Toriyama/Bandai)
2.5 The Man With No Name, Scrapper, Film (Sergio Leone)
4.7 Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Scrapper, TV (Joss Whedon)
5.3 Rocky Balboa, Scrapper, 20th century (sly Stallone)
5.6 Tyler Durden, Scrapper, Literary (Chuck Palahniuk)
7.1 Han Solo-- Scrapper, Film (George Lucas)
10.4 Popeye, Scrapper, Animated (E.C. Segar, Max Fleischer)
11.7 Wile E. Coyote, Scrapper, Animation (Chuck Jones)

Magic

1.5 Merlin Magic, Pre- 19th Century Creator(Geoffry of Monmouth)
2.8 Gandalf-- Magic, Literary (JRR Tolkien)
3.3 Harry Potter, Magic, Literary (Rowling)
5.7 Raistlin Majere, Magic, Literary (Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman)
8.1 Revan, Magic, Video Game (Casey Hudson/LucasArts)
8.3 Genie of the Lamp, Magic, Film (Eric Goldberg and Robin Williams)
9.2 Daenerys Targaryen, Magic, Literary (GRRM)
10.5 Heka, Magic, Mythology/Folklore (unknown)

Science/Gadgets

1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer)
3.8 The Doctor, Science/Gadgets, Television (Sydney Newman, C. E. Webber
and Donald Wilson/BBC)
4.3 Leonardo da Vinci, Science/Gadgets, Pre-19th Century (Real)
7.4 Samus Aran, Science/Gadgets, Female (Makato Kano)
7.5 Walter Bishop Science/Gadgets, 21st century (JJ Abrams,Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci)
7.7 Daedelus, Science/Gadgets, Mythology/Folklore (unknown)
8.7 Gordon Freeman, Science/Gadgets, Video Game (Gabe Newell/Valve)
9.3 Solid Snake Science / Gadgets, Video Game (Hideo Kojima)

Investigator

2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)
2.6 Indiana Jones, Investigator, Film (Lucas)
2.7 Lara Croft, Investigator, Female (Toby Gard/Eidos)
3.4 Tintin, Investigator, Comic Book (Hergé)
9.1 J. Edgar Hoover-- Investigator, 19th Century (Real)
10.2 Dexter, Investigator, 21st Century (James Manos, Jr.)
12.3 Columbo, Investigator, TV (Richard Levinson and William Link)
12.4 Hercule Poirot , Investigator, 20th century (Agatha Christie)

Firepower

4.2 Al Capone, Firepower, 19th Century (Real)
4.6 Ellen Ripley, firepower, female (Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett)
4.8 Dr. Manhattan-- Firepower, 20th Century (Alan Moore writer, Dave Gibbons artist, colorist John Higgins)
6.7 Wyatt Earp - firepower, 19th century (real)
7.6 Charlene 'Charlie' McGee, Firepower, Female (Stephen King)
8.4 Master Chief Firepower, Video Game (Marcus Lehto, Rob McLees, Shi Kai Wang)
9.8 Apollo, Firepower, Mythology (unknown)
11.4 Mega Man, Firepower, Video Game (Capcom)

Protector

1.2 Superman, Protector, 20th Century (Jerry Siegel)
1.4 Spider-Man, Protector, 20th Century (Stan Lee)
2.4 Robin Hood, Protector, Film (Michael Curtiz, Errol Flynn)
6.2 Ben Linus, Protector, TV (Jeffrey Lieber, J. J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof)
6.3 Brock Samson, Protector, 21st Century (Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer)
6.6 Beowulf, Protector, Mythology/Folklore, unknown
8.8 Selene-- Protector, Female (Kevin Grevioux, Len Wiseman, Danny McBride, Kate Beckinsale)
10.1 Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Protector, Comic Book (John Broome and Gil Kane)

Arch Nemesis

1.7 James Bond, Arch Nemesis, 10th Century (Ian Fleming)
4.5 Count Dracula, Arch-Nemesis, 19th Century (Bram Stoker)
5.8 Kratos, Arch Nemesis, 21st Century (Sony Computer Entertainment)
6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)
10.3 Moby Dick, Arch Nemesis, 19th Century (Herman Melville)
10.6 The Master, Arch Nemesis, TV, (Sydney Newman, C. E. Webber, Donald Wilson)
10.8 Donkey Kong, Arch Nemesis, Video Game (Shigeru Miyamoto/Nintendo/Sega)
12.7 Pharoah, Arch-Nemisis/Mythology (Moses, Book of Exodus)

Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team)

5.2 Guinevere, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Chretien de Troyes)
5.4 Helen of Troy, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
8.6 Lois Lane, Love Interest, Comic (Jerry Siegel)
9.5 Mary Jane Watson , Love interest, Comic Book (Stan Lee, John Romita, Steve Ditko)
9.6 Jessica Rabbit, Love Interest, Animated (Gary K. Wolf)
12.1 Cleopatra, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Real)
12.2 Poison Ivy, Love Interest, Female (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm)
12.8 Sookie Stackhouse-- Love Interest, 21st Century (Charmaine Harris)

Sidekick

2.3 Silver Surfer, Sidekick, 20th Century (Jack Kirby)
3.2 Chewbacca/Sidekick/Film (Lucas)
6.1 Supergirl, Sidekick, Female (Otto Binder and Al Pastino)
7.3 Dr. Watson, Sidekick, 19th century (Doyle)
9.7 Harley Quinn, Sidekick, Comic Book (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm)
11.1 Bumblebee, Sidekick, Animated (Hasbro)
11.5 Friday Sidekick, Literary (Daniel Defoe)
12.5 Alyx Vance, Sidekick, 21st Century (Valve)

Base/Hideout

3.7 The Death Star, Base/Hideout, Film (George Lucas)
4.4 The TARDIS , Base/hideout, TV (Sydney Newman, C.E. Webber, Donald Wilson)
6.8 Mount Olympus-- Base/Hideout, Mythology/Folklore (Unknown)
7.2 Batcave, Base/Hideout, ComicBook
9.4 USS Enterprise, Base/Hideout, TV (Roddenberry)
11.6 High Hrothgar, Base/Hideout, Video Game (Bethesda Game Studios)
11.8 N.S.E.A. Protector, Base/Hideout, Film (David Howard, Robert Gordon and Dean Parisot)
12.6 Castle Greyskull, Base/hideout, Animated

ntndeacon · 06-08-2012, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I would love to hear people's explanations of their teams. Also, if they could post them in a set order to make it easy to look at them side by side, that would be awesome.

would you prefer round by round explaination or some other explanation?

gstelmack · 06-08-2012, 01:24 PM

I'll get to voting for teams soon, but I can start with the all-star "best in each category" vote:

Leader - 5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry)

While I wanted to go with Jesus, and think it was a strong choice, Kirk jumps to the front of the line much quicker when I think of "leader".

Muscle - 3.6 Hercules, Muscle, Mythology/Folkore (Unknown)

The Hulk and Mr. Incredible were great choices as well, Hercules I think of as the original classic muscle. But Wonder Woman, seriously?

Scrapper - 4.7 Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Scrapper, TV (Joss Whedon)

Han Solo was an excellent choice as well, but Buffy seems like the ultimate scrapper from this list.

Magic - 2.8 Gandalf-- Magic, Literary (JRR Tolkien)

A slight nod to the classic wizard over the Genie, who could only grant 3 wishes.

Science/Gadgets - 1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer)

I think the Doctor is also a very strong choice, but Batman IS the gadget man of super heroes and has to win.

Investigator - 2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan

The ultimate investigator wins hands down.

Firepower - 9.8 Apollo, Firepower, Mythology (unknown)

Seriously? Lots of weak entries here I think. Ripley didn't have firepower until late in the movie, and barely used much of it frankly. Vasquez would have been a better choice from the same movie. Master Chief is okay but hampered in rankings by video game fudging (Ripley at least had to actually figure out how to hang all that weaponry on her frame). How about Jesse Ventura's character in Predator over most of the other choices? So I'll go with the god, although Zeus and his lightning bolts would have been a better choice.

Protector - 1.2 Superman, Protector, 20th Century (Jerry Siegel)

I think the ultimate classic has to win out here.

Arch Nemesis - 6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

James Bond as an arch-nemesis? Blofeld would have been the better choice there. I can't really by Dracula as a true nemesis. So I'll go with Moriarty, the equal of Holmes and a very strong rival.

Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team) - 12.1 Cleopatra, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Real)

I like a strong woman, not the simpering whiny do-nothing-but-look-pretty choices many others made here.

Sidekick - 3.2 Chewbacca/Sidekick/Film (Lucas)

Loyal, strong, and great sense of humor.

Base/Hideout - 4.4 The TARDIS , Base/hideout, TV (Sydney Newman, C.E. Webber, Donald Wilson)

Go anywhere, anytime, and so big inside you still don't know everything that's in there? Best base ever...

wade moore · 06-08-2012, 01:29 PM

wademoore's team:

I probably don't need to go into a blow-by-blow here.

Clearly I went with a rogue strategy. I think any votes coming my way will be more about the whole team, than individual decisions.

I chose to go with a Super Archvillain team. My team is built to attempt to defeat James Bond.

Believe it or not, in some ways this was harder. Villians are generally, by nature, flawed. So you have to keep these flaws in mind when choosing, whereas most Hero's are limited in their flaws.

So, a vote for me is a vote in favor of the villains!

Marmel · 06-08-2012, 02:12 PM

1) Hoopsguy's Heroic Horde

2) Chief Rum

3) Danny's Dashing Defenders

Chief Rum · 06-08-2012, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Chief Rum

1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer)
2.8 Gandalf-- Magic, Literary (JRR Tolkien)
3.1 Achilles-- Muscle, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
4.8 Dr. Manhattan-- Firepower, 20th Century (Alan Moore writer, Dave Gibbons artist, colorist John Higgins)
5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry)
6.8 Mount Olympus-- Base/Hideout, Mythology/Folklore (Unknown)
7.1 Han Solo-- Scrapper, Film (George Lucas)
8.8 Selene-- Protector, Female (Kevin Grevioux, Len Wiseman, Danny McBride, Kate Beckinsale)
9.1 J. Edgar Hoover-- Investigator, 19th Century (Real)
10.8 Donkey Kong, Arch Nemesis, Video Game (Shigeru Miyamoto/Nintendo/Sega)
11.1 Bumblebee, Sidekick, Animated (Hasbro)
12.8 Sookie Stackhouse-- Love Interest, 21st Century (Charmaine Harris)

I'll address my draft here, blow by blow.

First Pick

I had the first overall pick, and it seems from the consensus that followed, I only had two real choices: Batman or Superman. Batman has always appealed to me personally more than Superman, and I also thought his popularity with the Dark Knight movies was much higher. It was trickier picking the categories for him, as several applied each way. I picked Science/Gadgets because of all his "toys" and because of how much science intrigues Bruce Wayne. I knew by selecting Comic Book I was potentially already removing a rich environment to draw from, but I am not a big comic book fan, so I felt it wasn't as rich a source for me as for others.

First Turnaround

I was disappointed to see Sherlock Holmes go in the first two rounds, but in retrospect, he was an obvious choice at Investigator. But I still had plenty of options here. I always knew I would pick a Tolkien character, and in the end, it came down to Gandalf or Sauron. I decided Gandalf in Magic, one of the premier selections here was the better choice and felt that the Arch Nemesis category was a large one for me to plum, so I did not fear losing Sauron as an option. I was pretty surprised Sauron was not actually selected, and frankly, my Arch Nemesis selection down the road sucked. Oh well, I am still very pleased with my Gandalf selection.

I thought Pre-19th century would be a difficult category to fill, and I wasn't even thinking about selecting Mythology/Folklore yet. I wanted someone powerful from that time, and I was always a fan of Homer's Iliad. So Achilles, the near demi-god warrior, was very much in keeping with my sentiments. Yes, he doesn't have the awe-inspiring strength of the Hulk, but his near immortality and fighting prowess was suitable for the Muscle category.

Second Turnaround

This was maybe my favorite turnarounds. I had from the very start of the draft considered Dr. Manhattan from The Watchmen for Firepower, because he could literally bend time and space to his bidding. While perhaps that doesn't meet with the "fire" part of Firepower, it is certainly power. I probably could have found a different category than 20th century for Dr. Manhattan, as that was a large category for me to plum.

The next one I got some compliments for, although I had my doubts going into it. Kirk is certainly an inspiring leader, so he's a good choice for the Leader spot for the simplest definition of the category. But he's just a man--he only has power of his crew, beautiful green women and overly-dramatic pauses. Picking TV for Kirk also removed a large category for me. I liked this pick when I made it, but didn't necessarily love it. The feedback since then has shown me it was actuallty a very good pick.

Third Turnaround

I SOOO wanted to pick the Bat Cave. It was actually still available. But I had Batman, so that precluded me from grabbing his Cave. I loved the Death Star pick in this category as well. I needed a Mythology/Folklore spot, and were it not for that, I might have picked Superman's icy home in the north for my base. I am still stunned that was not picked by anyone. I like the Mount Olympus choice, but didn't love it.

I pondered my Scrapper pick a lot. I wasn't even sure what the category was for. So it's a bit of luck for me that I thought of Han Solo just when I was making this pick. He had not occurred to me before then. I got good reviews of that choice, and I consider it one of my favorites, as he might be the ultimate Scrapper. Picking him came with consequences, though. Picking a Star Wars character for Scrapper meant giving up on Darth Vader as my Arch Nemesis choice, my second option after giving up Sauron as a choice there. And choosing Film removed the area which I probably had the most knowledge in. So Solo cost me. But I definitely think he was worth it.

Fourth Turnaround

I needed a female hero, and Wonder Woman was picked. It took me a long time to make my choice here. I didn't get any complements on this one, but this actually ended up being one of my favorite choices. Selene from Underworld kicks serious ass. I might have found better Protectors as a description of the category, but I was beginning to get pinched by my prior choices here. Selene spends much time protecting in the movies and she kicks ass, so why not? Plus, Kate Beckinsale is ridiculously hot.

I needed a 19th century choice and I needed an investigator, and I found it very difficult to fill either. After Vader was off the list for me, I had some thought of going off the reservation and taking Moby Dick as my arch nemesis. I thought that was very clever and unique. And then someone else actually did it. Holy shit... So kudos to them. I was thinking more Investigator here, rather than 19th century, so I thought about Sam Spade, Dick Tracy (who wasn't picked, shocking), Monk, Poirot, the usual. I decided to go real life because I needed to fill the 19th century requirement. I probably should have stuck with one of the other more obvious options and picked Watson as a sidekick for my 19th century option (he didn't go until late). Instead, I went with the odd choice and J. Edgar Hoover. As was pointed out to me, not really a hero. And truth be told, not even an Investigator. I wanted to change this pick almost immediately. Oh well.

Fifth Turnaround

This was my least favorite turnaround and produced the weakest results. I still needed an Arch Nemesis, but I had whittled down my source material to three weak categories in Cartoon, Video Game and 21st Century. Ouch. I thought I could find a suitable Arch Nemesis from Video Games, but even that was pretty difficult. If you can believe it, I came down to Donkey Kong or King Koopa/Bowser. Really? After considering Sauron, Vader, Moby Dick, Voldemort, and I end up with MFing Donkey Kong? At least he's cool. I probably should have gone with Mike Tyson from Mike Tyson's Punchout.

I was also burned by my need to fill the Cartoon category. It was surprisingly difficult to find a cartoon sidekick that was not already chosen, and who was an actual fighter. I thought of plenty of non-fighting sidekicks, like Brian from Family Guy, Kenny from South Park, Beavis, Donkey, etc., but these guys aren't fighters. So I settled on Bumblebee. Nice enough as Transformers go, but not really an inspiring choice.

Last Pick

I had the last pick, of course, and even though I had no choice as to category (Love Interest/21st Century), I still liked my choice. I didn't want someone helpless, although certainly Sookie from Tru Blood acts like it sometimes. Since she is telepathic, I figured she would be more useful than the usual damsel in distress love interest. I was glad I was able to make that choice at the end.

Overall, I think I had a good draft, but I dropped the ball in preparing for the end of the draft. I should have done more thinking ahead.

ntndeacon · 06-08-2012, 04:13 PM

Leader
5.5 Zeus Leader, Mythology/Folklore (Unknown)

The king of the Gods. How could he not be a great leader? It also took other good possibilties off the board as leaders as thier origins were also unknown.

Muscle
3.5 Wonder Woman ,Muscle,Female Creator(William Marston)

We had to pick one female in a category other than Love interest. Since the other members of the DC Trinity went with the first two picks, it was time to pull the trigger on the third member of that triumverate. to badly quote gtelmack, "Wonder Woman, seriously!" She has been able to hang punch for punch with Superman, and has defeated Herakles (the greek and DC version of Hercules) several times. She is clearly on the level of the greatest of muscle characters.
Scrapper
10.4 Popeye, Scrapper, Animated (E.C. Segar, Max Fleischer)

Scrapper was one of those categories that seemed the easiest to fill. At least in the number of quality choices. However even though I saw many other possible scrappers that could be used, my mimd kept going back to the Vitamin A loving sailor. The category seemed tailor made for him. The fact he was still unpicked seemed a crime. (there were all but 2 scrappers chosen by this point.) A patient man needled into fighting by Bluto making untoward advances on his goil. Popeye "cant stans no more!"
Magic
1.5 Merlin Magic, Pre- 19th Century Creator(Geoffry of Monmouth)

With my 1st pick, I felt I should go with what I considered the best possible pick in a category. It also went in opposition to 3 of the first 4 picks as it wasn't a comic book character. Merlin represents the foremost magician in fiction. Most later magicians take at least some inspiration to the ideas of Merlin.

Science/Gadgets
7.5 Walter Bishop Science/Gadgets, 21st century (JJ Abrams,Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci)

Walter Bishop from the TV show Fringe represents the mad scientist character we have seen throughout fiction. One of the differences is he is actually working for the good guys, and the fringe aspects of science are to help mankind.

Investigator

12.4 Hercule Poirot , Investigator, 20th century (Agatha Christie)

This category gave me pause, as there are so many investigators that could be included. However to not include Agatha Christie's Belgian sleuth seemed a shame. This ex-police officer uses his "little gray cells" to much success. He gets everyone to talk about the case with him. Logic is the key, not following footprints and cigar ash. It is following peoples motives that will lead to the true criminal!
Firepower
8.4 Master Chief Firepower, Video Game (Marcus Lehto, Rob McLees, Shi Kai Wang)

Master Chief, the face, so to speak, of the Halo franchise, has helped destroy the Covenant and the Flood with a multitude of weaponry. He even destroyed one of the Halos. Firepower galore!!

Protector
2.4 Robin Hood, Protector, Film (Michael Curtiz, Errol Flynn)

The story of Robin Hood is a rich tradition, but to me the best place Robin Hood is seen is in The Adventures of Robin Hood. Errol Flynn swinging in all in green just sticks in the memory. Even though we have seen him many other times in TV and Movies, none other match the swashbuckling savior of Sherwood Forest!

Arch Nemesis
6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

Several folks still needed an Archnemesis at this point...(only 3 were off the board) I started to look at the possibilities in the different centuries and genres still left on my board. started to get conceerned that other eyes might start to head in the direction of Sherlock Holmes' most worthy adversary. His tendency to work from below the view of the heroic figures in his era, makes him more than capable to fend off a collection of heroes from every time period.

Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team)
9.5 Mary Jane Watson , Love interest, Comic Book (Stan Lee, John Romita, Steve Ditko)

"Face it Tiger. You've just hit the Jackpot!" One of Spiderman's most recognizable supporting characters. In fact one of the most recognizable love interests in all of comicdom.

Sidekick

11.5 Friday Sidekick, Literary (Daniel Defoe)

Friday stands as a great example of the sidekick concept. So much so, a sidekick is sometimes referred to as a man Friday. A boon companion, and helper in the adventures of his hero, Robinson Caruso. Friday is loyal to the core.
Base/Hideout
4.4 The TARDIS , Base/hideout, TV (Sydney Newman, C.E. Webber, Donald Wilson)

This pick was taken for a couple of reasons. First, This category was one that had the potential to be very problematic if left too late. Secondly, there were a couple of categories that were topped from the Dr. Who Universe. Both of those categories were in my crosshairs in this spot. I felt fortunate that no one had grabbed The best base in the draft.

TRO · 06-08-2012, 04:38 PM

My All-Star lineup vote:

Leader
5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry)

Great pick here, especially in round 5. Super value from round 8 in Aragorn as well, but Kirk was a superb selection.

Muscle
4.1 The Hulk, Muscle, 20th Century (Stan Lee and Jack Kirby)

Some good selections here, but Hulk SMASH for me.

Achilles being the first off the board here is surprising since he is more known for his weakness than his strength.

Scrapper
1.8 Son Goku, Scrapper, Animated (Akira Toriyama/Bandai)

Goku over Rocky here for me. Though I think he may have also fit in firepower pretty well. Maybe even a better fit there as Scrapper was so strong. I'm very surprised Wolverine didn't find his way in here though.

Magic
8.3 Genie of the Lamp, Magic, Film (Eric Goldberg and Robin Williams)

Some good choices, but I like me some Genie.

Science/Gadgets
1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer)

I love the DaVinci choice, but it can't top what I would have taken as 1.1 as well.

Investigator
2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

I like it when the first pick of the group is also the best choice.

Firepower
11.4 Mega Man, Firepower, Video Game (Capcom)

I like it even better when the LAST choice is the best choice. This one is superb value.

Protector
1.2 Superman, Protector, 20th Century (Jerry Siegel)
Yawn, perfect.
Arch Nemesis
6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

James Bond?!?! What?!?! I think Voldemort would have been a homerun here. I like the selection of Moby Dick, but I don't think our super powered group would have much difficulty with it and it even might make a case for using Aqua Man on the team (no thank you).

So, I'll take Moriarty.

Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team)
5.2 Guinevere, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Chretien de Troyes)

Where is the None option?

Sidekick
3.2 Chewbacca/Sidekick/Film (Lucas)
Brilliant.

Base/Hideout
9.4 USS Enterprise, Base/Hideout, TV (Roddenberry)

I like having some mobility with the base. Beam me up.

oykib · 06-08-2012, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I would love to hear people's explanations of their teams. Also, if they could post them in a set order to make it easy to look at them side by side, that would be awesome.

I thought of it as trying to put together the best possible version of a JLA or Avengers type of team. I assumed that the Arch-Nemesis was for those storylines where you have to team up with Lex Luthor because Darkseid is invading.

I personally looked at three categories as far as picking the team.

Overall Firepower
The first thing I want to do is make sure that the guys defending me have enough juice to take down Thanos or deal with Galactus. If Ultron can roll over your squad by himself, then you don't have much of a team.

Popularity/Likeability
Is this a squad that could sell some books? Is there a good mix of personalities? You can't just have a squad of world killers that nobody is interested in. Nobody is going to pick up that book. Also when the teams go toe to toe, as all team and heroes do when they first meet, the tie-breaker
is usually the popularity of the characters involved.

Balance
The final piece is the fact that these are supposed to be teams. Some of the drafts look like teams. I can only picture a few of the teams going on the kind of missions a normal super team handles though.

I like my team and Chief's team. Then, there's a dropoff before we get to Deacon's team that's almost entirely based on the fact that I hate Zeus as a leader. The mythological Zeus was an awful leader that people only followed because they were scared of. He wasn't the inspirational figure or tactician that's really necessary.

1. oykib
2. Chief RUm
3. Deacon

larrymcg421 · 06-08-2012, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oykib

I thought of it as trying to put together the best possible version of a JLA or Avengers type of team. I assumed that the Arch-Nemesis was for those storylines where you have to team up with Lex Luthor because Darkseid is invading.

I personally looked at three categories as far as picking the team.

Overall Firepower
The first thing I want to do is make sure that the guys defending me have enough juice to take down Thanos or deal with Galactus. If Ultron can roll over your squad by himself, then you don't have much of a team.

Popularity/Likeability
Is this a squad that could sell some books? Is there a good mix of personalities? You can't just have a squad of world killers that nobody is interested in. Nobody is going to pick up that book. Also when the teams go toe to toe, as all team and heroes do when they first meet, the tie-breaker
is usually the popularity of the characters involved.

Balance
The final piece is the fact that these are supposed to be teams. Some of the drafts look like teams. I can only picture a few of the teams going on the kind of missions a normal super team handles though.

I like my team and Chief's team. Then, there's a dropoff before we get to Deacon's team that's almost entirely based on the fact that I hate Zeus as a leader. The mythological Zeus was an awful leader that people only followed because they were scared of. He wasn't the inspirational figure or tactician that's really necessary.

1. oykib
2. Chief RUm
3. Deacon

You can't vote for yourself.

oykib · 06-08-2012, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

You can't vote for yourself.

Chief and Deacon become 1 and 2 then.
Grover would be next. His sixth through twelfth are great. I only like the fourth round pick in his 1-5 though. IMO, Spider-Man would've worked better in either scrapper or science.

oykib · 06-08-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I'll address my draft here, blow by blow.

First Pick

I had the first overall pick, and it seems from the consensus that followed, I only had two real choices: Batman or Superman. Batman has always appealed to me personally more than Superman, and I also thought his popularity with the Dark Knight movies was much higher. It was trickier picking the categories for him, as several applied each way. I picked Science/Gadgets because of all his "toys" and because of how much science intrigues Bruce Wayne. I knew by selecting Comic Book I was potentially already removing a rich environment to draw from, but I am not a big comic book fan, so I felt it wasn't as rich a source for me as for others.

First Turnaround

I was disappointed to see Sherlock Holmes go in the first two rounds, but in retrospect, he was an obvious choice at Investigator. But I still had plenty of options here. I always knew I would pick a Tolkien character, and in the end, it came down to Gandalf or Sauron. I decided Gandalf in Magic, one of the premier selections here was the better choice and felt that the Arch Nemesis category was a large one for me to plum, so I did not fear losing Sauron as an option. I was pretty surprised Sauron was not actually selected, and frankly, my Arch Nemesis selection down the road sucked. Oh well, I am still very pleased with my Gandalf selection.

I thought Pre-19th century would be a difficult category to fill, and I wasn't even thinking about selecting Mythology/Folklore yet. I wanted someone powerful from that time, and I was always a fan of Homer's Iliad. So Achilles, the near demi-god warrior, was very much in keeping with my sentiments. Yes, he doesn't have the awe-inspiring strength of the Hulk, but his near immortality and fighting prowess was suitable for the Muscle category.

Second Turnaround

This was maybe my favorite turnarounds. I had from the very start of the draft considered Dr. Manhattan from The Watchmen for Firepower, because he could literally bend time and space to his bidding. While perhaps that doesn't meet with the "fire" part of Firepower, it is certainly power. I probably could have found a different category than 20th century for Dr. Manhattan, as that was a large category for me to plum.

The next one I got some compliments for, although I had my doubts going into it. Kirk is certainly an inspiring leader, so he's a good choice for the Leader spot for the simplest definition of the category. But he's just a man--he only has power of his crew, beautiful green women and overly-dramatic pauses. Picking TV for Kirk also removed a large category for me. I liked this pick when I made it, but didn't necessarily love it. The feedback since then has shown me it was actuallty a very good pick.

Third Turnaround

I SOOO wanted to pick the Bat Cave. It was actually still available. But I had Batman, so that precluded me from grabbing his Cave. I loved the Death Star pick in this category as well. I needed a Mythology/Folklore spot, and were it not for that, I might have picked Superman's icy home in the north for my base. I am still stunned that was not picked by anyone. I like the Mount Olympus choice, but didn't love it.

I pondered my Scrapper pick a lot. I wasn't even sure what the category was for. So it's a bit of luck for me that I thought of Han Solo just when I was making this pick. He had not occurred to me before then. I got good reviews of that choice, and I consider it one of my favorites, as he might be the ultimate Scrapper. Picking him came with consequences, though. Picking a Star Wars character for Scrapper meant giving up on Darth Vader as my Arch Nemesis choice, my second option after giving up Sauron as a choice there. And choosing Film removed the area which I probably had the most knowledge in. So Solo cost me. But I definitely think he was worth it.

Fourth Turnaround

I needed a female hero, and Wonder Woman was picked. It took me a long time to make my choice here. I didn't get any complements on this one, but this actually ended up being one of my favorite choices. Selene from Underworld kicks serious ass. I might have found better Protectors as a description of the category, but I was beginning to get pinched by my prior choices here. Selene spends much time protecting in the movies and she kicks ass, so why not? Plus, Kate Beckinsale is ridiculously hot.

I needed a 19th century choice and I needed an investigator, and I found it very difficult to fill either. After Vader was off the list for me, I had some thought of going off the reservation and taking Moby Dick as my arch nemesis. I thought that was very clever and unique. And then someone else actually did it. Holy shit... So kudos to them. I was thinking more Investigator here, rather than 19th century, so I thought about Sam Spade, Dick Tracy (who wasn't picked, shocking), Monk, Poirot, the usual. I decided to go real life because I needed to fill the 19th century requirement. I probably should have stuck with one of the other more obvious options and picked Watson as a sidekick for my 19th century option (he didn't go until late). Instead, I went with the odd choice and J. Edgar Hoover. As was pointed out to me, not really a hero. And truth be told, not even an Investigator. I wanted to change this pick almost immediately. Oh well.

Fifth Turnaround

This was my least favorite turnaround and produced the weakest results. I still needed an Arch Nemesis, but I had whittled down my source material to three weak categories in Cartoon, Video Game and 21st Century. Ouch. I thought I could find a suitable Arch Nemesis from Video Games, but even that was pretty difficult. If you can believe it, I came down to Donkey Kong or King Koopa/Bowser. Really? After considering Sauron, Vader, Moby Dick, Voldemort, and I end up with MFing Donkey Kong? At least he's cool. I probably should have gone with Mike Tyson from Mike Tyson's Punchout.

I was also burned by my need to fill the Cartoon category. It was surprisingly difficult to find a cartoon sidekick that was not already chosen, and who was an actual fighter. I thought of plenty of non-fighting sidekicks, like Brian from Family Guy, Kenny from South Park, Beavis, Donkey, etc., but these guys aren't fighters. So I settled on Bumblebee. Nice enough as Transformers go, but not really an inspiring choice.

Last Pick

I had the last pick, of course, and even though I had no choice as to category (Love Interest/21st Century), I still liked my choice. I didn't want someone helpless, although certainly Sookie from Tru Blood acts like it sometimes. Since she is telepathic, I figured she would be more useful than the usual damsel in distress love interest. I was glad I was able to make that choice at the end.

Overall, I think I had a good draft, but I dropped the ball in preparing for the end of the draft. I should have done more thinking ahead.

I really liked your draft, Chief.

I think your good picks more than made up for the ones that you weren't impressed with. I might've switched some of your characters around though. Selene's probably more of a Scrapper than a Protector. To me, a Protector falls into one of three categories:

1. Someone so awesome that they take up all the enemies attention, allowing the Science/Gadget guy to set up the bomb or allow the fragile but indispensable character to survive (Superman, Thor, Colossus, Namor, Magneto, Wolverine, The Hulk)

2. Someone with a force field (Invisible Woman, Green Lantern, Jean Grey)

3. Someone who can pull characters out of trouble with a special ability (Nightcrawler, The Flash, Kitty Pryde, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch)

But I like that your characters are versatile. I also think Han Solo's a better leader than Kirk. Kirk is awesome, but he's shitty at delegating. Super teams leaders have to let other people do their jobs. I think Kirk's got the tactical part down. However, everyone in Star Wars performs at their best. I don't think the same can be said of Star Trek.Of course, that's just me picking nits. I'd still take Kirk over every other leader picked by any of the other drafters leaders.

It was cool reading someone else's draft breakdown. You have the only other squad I'd put up to stop the Kree-Skrull war or an invasion by the hordes of Apokolips.

Autumn · 06-08-2012, 11:02 PM

The All-Stars

Capt. Kirk - Leader
Hercules - Muscle
Rocky - scrapper
Merlin - magic
Batman - gadgets
sherlock holmes - investogiaro
lois lane- love interest
? - firepower
superman protector
dracula - nemesis
chewbacca - sidekcik
batcave - base

In thinking about the All-Stars I looked for which choice is the best, most archetypal representiatve of the category. In the way that Sherlock Holmes nearly defines "investigator" in our minds, I wanted that in each category. I wasn't looking at a good team up here, or who would be most effective, etc.

I think we've got that with this lineup. Except for firepower. I just don't see anyone there that really defines firepower to me. Capone and Earp sort of jump out but I don't think either of them are really known for their shooting abilities. I don't know anything about the videogame ones, so maybe those are the prime choices. But I feel like something is missing from that category, though I must admit nobody has jumped into my head as the obvious choice. Maybe someone like Iron Man, Cyclops, to dig into comic books.

ntndeacon · 06-08-2012, 11:59 PM

I ranked each of the categories 1-7... (I of course kept my picks out of the ranks) and came up with the following top three:

1. Grover
2. oykib
3. Chief

For the All star team, the top picks per category were as follows:

Leader- Capt. Kirk
Muscle- The Hulk
Scrapper- The Man with No Name
Magic-Gandalf
Science/Gadgets- The Doctor
Investigator- Sherlock Holmes
Firepower- Dr. Manhattan
Protector- Superman
Arch Nemesis- The Master
Love Interest- Helen of Troy
Side kick- Dr. Watson
Base- Mt Olympus

Grover · 06-09-2012, 07:23 AM

1.4 Spider-Man, Protector, 20th Century (Stan Lee)
2.5 The Man With No Name, Scrapper, Film (Sergio Leone)
3.4 Tintin, Investigator, Comic Book (Hergé)
4.5 Count Dracula, Arch-Nemesis, 19th Century (Bram Stoker)
5.4 Helen of Troy, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
6.5 He-Man, Muscle, Animation (Mattel)
7.4 Samus Aran, Science/Gadgets, Female (Makato Kano)
8.5 Aragorn, Son of Arathorn, Leader, Literary (Tolkein)
9.4 USS Enterprise, Base/Hideout, TV (Roddenberry)
10.5 Heka, Magic, Mythology/Folklore (unknown)
11.4 Mega Man, Firepower, Video Game (Capcom)
12.5 Alyx Vance, Sidekick, 21st Century (Valve)

I'll blurb a quick line or two about each pick and why I went there.

1.4 - After Batman and Superman went 1-2, Spider-Man was my obvious choice at four. I could have easily went with him as a Scrapper, but he is a protector if you're a young and attractive brunette or redhead. And for those who don't think Spider-Man fits as a Protector... 'everybody gets one'

2.5 - I think some people probably scratched their heads at this pick and 3.4, but Clint Eastwood's Man With No Name from Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy has to be one of the greatest Scrappers in film history. He's clever, intelligent, resourceful and a perfect shot with those pistols.

3.4 - I could have probably nabbed Tintin late in the draft, but I wanted him so I picked him early. Tintin, the boy reporter from Hergé's comic book (later television and movie) of the same name, is a precocious investigator. Using his wit and intelligence to solve crimes, though he can get himself into trouble here and there, he excels at solving the mystery and saving the day.

4.5 - If I hadn't used film on TMWNN, I would have taken Vader here. Count Dracula was the #2 Arch-Nemesis on my board. He is one of the ultimate evils in literature. He can come across as friendly and weak one moment, but can easily show his true powers and form. Remember: shape-shifting is cool.

5.4 - Helen of Troy was my top pick for a love interest. She also helped get the pesky Pre-19th Century sub-category out of the way. I mean, Menelaus attempted to strike her with his sword and her beauty caused him to drop it. She had suitors lined up for days to attempt to take her hand. What more could you want from a love interest?

6.5 - He-Man is animation's ultimate strongman and wielding the Power Sword, He-Man could go from ordinary prince to God among Men. With him as my muscle, this team has the power.

7.4 - I feel like I need to explain this one a bit too. For those of you who don't know, Samus Aran is the hero of the Metroid video game series. I could have stuck her in firepower, but chose Science/Gadgets because of her various suits, the beam cannon on her arm, and of course the legendary morph ball. For these reasons, I felt Samus fit into the Science/Gadgets category better than Firepower.

8.5 - I needed a leader and was surprised Aragorn was still available. He becomes fills his birthright by becoming King. His nickname is Strider. He's 87 years old in the prime of his life. Aragorn is awesome.

9.4 - With the Death Star taken, I had to take the next best base, The USS Enterprise. This makes the hero team mobile and maybe Aragorn can say "Make it so." The Enterprise is nearly as iconic as the Death Star in sci-fi / nerd circles. Also, it looks cool.

10.5 - Mythology/Folklore was my biggest obstacle nearing the end of the draft, but Heka, the Egyptian Goddess of Magic, helped fill those shoes pretty easily.

11.4 - Mega Man was my absolute best pick and a total value in the 11th round. With the X-Buster, Mega Man is the definition of Firepower. He can charge the weapon for a bigger blast, and by defeating his foes, gains the power of their weaponry for the X-Buster. By the end of the numerous Mega-Man games, Mega-Man has nine different types of projectiles he can fire from the X-Buster. Firepower, indeed.

12.5 - Alyx Vance is Gordon Freeman's right hand in Half-Life 2, one of the best computer games ever made. She's what I wanted in a sidekick. Smart, can handle a weapon, yet is excellent with computers. She's a Jack of All Trades, exactly what a sidekick should be.

My best pick: Mega Man
My worst pick: Tintin, I could have gotten him, probably in the 12th round no less. I still like him and wanted him on my team, but I took him way too early.

hoopsguy · 06-09-2012, 08:30 AM

My goals with the team were the following:
1.) Pick characters that played across multiple medias - comics/television/film/books - that would establish them as iconic in the minds of the voters
2.) When possible, pick characters that would be fun to have as teammates

With that, here are the round by round recaps:
1.) Superman - I probably would have taken him 1st overall, he is pretty much the archetype for the comic book superhero. Protector role seemed obvious for him, the only potential regret here is using the Comic Book category up so early. Still, no way that Superman wasn't the pick in this spot and I was pleased he dropped.

2.) Lara Croft - the first name I think of in terms of heroic female characters. Massive video game presence, multiple films spawned off that character, comic book series ... this gal was everywhere. Pick was predicated far more on "Female" than on "Investigator" and I feel like if we were listing people based on that 2nd criteria (female, century, media, etc) that this would be a clear #1. My only regret with this pick is that I think I could have made it a couple rounds later and still gotten it.

3.) Chewbacca - "let the Wookie win!" Clearly a fun pick to have in this spot, I think having Chewbacca on the team makes the overall group immediately more appealing to readers/viewers/voters. The Star Wars brand was also something that I wanted to have on my team and this seemed like a better "category play" than anything I could come up with for the other characters.

4.) Buffy the Vampire Slayer - went with Buffy here instead of Wolverine because I didn't want to get too tied into comic book characters with my team. Although I already had a female character, I thought Buffy was a really strong entry for the scrapper category and represented an iconic, recognizable TV character. Looking at other picks in this category, I think this was kind of an eclectic bunch overall and it seems other teams had somewhat different ideas of what constituted a "scrapper"

5.) Guinevere - Married to King Arthur, lover of his top knight Lancelot, forced to marry the usurper Modred ... pretty much the object of desire in all Arthurian legends before she becomes a nun. Integral part of the legend around the Knights of the Round Table. I wanted to get pre-19th Century out of the way here, and figured it was a toss-up between her and Helen of Troy. Tiebreaker for me was that I might find another Greek/Roman character later in the draft that I might want to fill a category in 10-12 picks where selections are tougher to make.

6.) Wyatt Earp - 19th Century was a tougher category as well, and I was looking to get these addressed early to make later choices more flexible. Earp was the most recognizable Wild West era character, and has been detailed in several movies, most notably Tombstone. I thought of the firepower role as a "shoot 'em up" type, where the scrapper was a "beat 'em up" role. In a historical context, I think Earp is a really strong pick for this category but so far he doesn't seem to have resonated with the voters.

7.) Batcave - this was my clear #1 pick for the category. Although I think there were some other good picks made, I don't think any immediately comes to mind in terms of "hero base/hideout" word association faster than this one. Getting a piece of the Batman franchise, while already having Superman with my first round pick, was just icing on the cake.

8.) Gordon Freeman - protagonist of an immensely popular video game series, I think he would once again be the top pick if people were doing their rankings on secondary categories instead of the ones listed above. I think he would have been a good choice for firepower as well, but he is a scientist (the scientist who opened the portal) and benefits from futuristic armor/weapons in his battles against alien hordes.

9.) Daenerys Targaryen - I wanted to have a representative from the George R.R. Martin books, but it is challenging to classify many of the characters as heroes. In the end, I went with the mother of dragons who embarked on a campaign to liberate slaves while building the army to retake the throne that had been stolen from her family. Although she is not a magic user in the traditional sense, she clearly has magical characteristics - birthing dragons, able to withstand intense heat, subject of prophesies.

10.) Rick Grimes - leader of the band of fighters trying to stave off an unending stream of zombies. Filled the 21st Century criteria, gave me someone who clearly fit the leader category, and another character recognizable across multiple media streams (comics, TV).

11.) Shrek - although Shrek probably isn't out-benching many of the characters in this category, I think he is a more beloved character for all ages than others picked before/after. Thought he was a fine value pick at this stage in the draft.

12.) Pharaoh - was a little stuck in terms of identifying an Arch-Nemisis/Folklore+Mythology that couldn't be "Unknown" at this point. In the end, I went to the Bible to find my selection. I think the value of an Arch-Nemesis is driven to a large extent by the quality of the hero he opposes, which left me with Pharaoh and Pontius Pilate. I felt Pilate was more of a moment-in-time reluctant bad guy, plus Satan would seem to be the real nemesis of Jesus, but he was off the board earlier. By comparison, Pharaoh was a more remorseless and persistent enemy to Moses. Ergo, Pharaoh. And Yul Brynner playing the role is an added bonus.

The Jackal · 06-10-2012, 07:32 AM

I'll have a writeup sometime tonight or tomorrow morning

Vince, Pt. II · 06-10-2012, 12:49 PM

So this was way more fun to follow than I anticipated. There were some great picks, and some interesting strategies involved. Here's how I see it:

1. wade moore
I think it was brilliant to go the inverted route, drafting a good guy as the arch-nemesis and then crafting a team of villains to fight him. I think that the Death Star would have been a fantastic base even without having a team of villains, because really, who wouldn't want a base that was mobile and could destroy entire planets?!!? Al Capone for Firepower was also one of my favorite picks of the entire draft. Wile E. Coyote was an inspired pick that I never even thought of, but makes a great scrapper. I think the worst pick of the bunch is Poison Ivy, but at the same time it's not a bad pick. Well done, wade.

2. Chief Rum
It's hard to screw it up when you have the #1 overall, but Chief followed it up with an incredible supporting cast. Gandalf late in the second and Han Solo in the 7th were brilliant picks, and I'm floored that both lasted as long as they did. All that being said, my favorite pick for Chief Rum was picking Captain Kirk in the 5th. I think he's hands-down the best leader picked - I mean the dude beat the Kobayashi Maru. And he talks...like...this...still...even...though...he's...eighty. His late draft (Selene through Bumblebee) was pretty weak, so he doesn't quite get the crown from wade.

3. Deacon's helpful band
Deacon's team almost surpassed Chief's for me. I just think that Chief's best picks were home runs, and while Deacon had more consistency across the board...he only had one pure home run pick in Moriarty, who I think is clearly the best Arch-Nemesis in the entire draft. Seriously though, his entire draft were all very strong picks, outside of Walter Bishop and Robin Hood. I actually really like the Robin Hood pick, I just think he was a reach in round two. I have never seen Fringe, so I really can't comment on Bishop other than to say that TV seemed like a pretty weak category overall, so I don't know how that played into it.

Third was by far the toughest to pick. I really, really enjoy hoops, grover and Danny's teams as well. In the end, I like all of the teams, but Jackal and oykib had too many holes to be considered at the top.

Izulde · 06-10-2012, 01:33 PM

wade moore

1.7 James Bond, Arch Nemesis, 10th Century (Ian Fleming)
2.2 Satan, Leader, Pre-19th Century (John Milton)
3.7 The Death Star, Base/Hideout, Film (George Lucas)
4.2 Al Capone, Firepower, 19th Century (Real)
5.7 Raistlin Majere, Magic, Literary (Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman)
6.2 Ben Linus, Protector, TV (Jeffrey Lieber, J. J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof)
7.7 Daedelus, Science/Gadgets, Mythology/Folklore (unknown)
8.2 Bowser, Muscle, Video Game (Shigeru Miyamoto)
9.7 Harley Quinn, Sidekick, Comic Book (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm)
10.2 Dexter, Investigator, 21st Century (James Manos, Jr.)
11.7 Wile E. Coyote, Scrapper, Animation (Chuck Jones)
12.2 Poison Ivy, Love Interest, Female (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm)

Still figuring out my voting, but I just wanted to simultaneously applaud wade's creativity and take issue with a couple picks here.

1. Satan isn't a villain in Paradise Lost. He's a tragic, sympathetic character, if not an outright hero, so that violates the concept of the entire selection process. That pretty much kills it right there.

2. I also wouldn't consider Raistlin a villain. Anti-hero, yes. Villain, no. I haven't seen Dexter, so can't comment, but given he's the lead character, I'd say he falls in the same antihero vein.

So, great idea, but unfortunately, you've got to stay true to a bold concept and that just didn't happen here.

wade moore · 06-10-2012, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde

Still figuring out my voting, but I just wanted to simultaneously applaud wade's creativity and take issue with a couple picks here.

1. Satan isn't a villain in Paradise Lost. He's a tragic, sympathetic character, if not an outright hero, so that violates the concept of the entire selection process. That pretty much kills it right there.

2. I also wouldn't consider Raistlin a villain. Anti-hero, yes. Villain, no. I haven't seen Dexter, so can't comment, but given he's the lead character, I'd say he falls in the same antihero vein.

So, great idea, but unfortunately, you've got to stay true to a bold concept and that just didn't happen here.

I definitely appreciate the feedback. Not being argumentative, just want to explain where I was coming from on the 3 picks.

1. I admit I've never read Paradise Lost. I specifically picked this version of Satan for multiple reasons. For one, I feared that making him "real" would cause controversy, just as Jesus has in the past. So, I picked a literary version. Second, on multiple Google searches for "best villain in literature", Satan from Paradise Lost came up. So, I went with him. Didn't realize there was a view out there of him as a tragic hero, I was going on my google searches.

2. Raistlin, I admit, is a bit of a grey area here. My first two choices (Sauron and Dracula) were blocked, so I had to get creative. That being said, there are certainly times when Raistlin, in D&D terms, is clearly Chatoic Evil. I see no way around that. And, I believe, particularly at the end of the core trillogy, this is where Raistlin ends - as chaotic and evil as they get. I tend to disagree that he's an anti-hero, but I think he's straight-up villain.

3. Dexter probably fits slightly more in the anti-hero vein as you say. He's basically a coroner that is a serial killer that kills "bad guys". However, it was basically impossible (in my opinion) to get an evil "investigator" that was 100% villain rather than anti-hero. I had thoughts of the lead character in The Shield, as well as other "corrupt" investigators. In the end, the role of "investigator" is really a hero's role. So, the best I could come up with in this category was what I felt was a pretty devilish anti-hero - a serial killer.

Vince, Pt. II · 06-10-2012, 02:33 PM

By category:

Leader: 5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk
In a landslide. I liked the pick of Zeus and I think that Paul Muad'dib Atreides was insane value at the end of round 7. I also liked Satan as a leader of Wade's villain squad. Overall not as strong a category as I anticipated. I really think that the "real" category had some amazingly strong choices in it that were aced out by the Jesus pick. I think that Alexander, Caesar, Washington and several others were better picks, because as a real person we have no indication at all that Jesus was a great leader. As a literary figure, yes. But that borders on religious conversation that I don't want to get into

Muscle: Hercules
This was a four-way race between Hercules, He-Man, The Hulk and Mr. Incredible for me. In the end, Hercules is never ever "off", while He-Man spends a good portion of time as this week pre-teen kid and Bruce Banner isn't much for muscle until he gets angry. Mr. Incredible was an inspired pick, but it seemed like more of an "I missed all the big guns so I'll grab this guy late" pick. This was a really strong category, as even the four I didn't name are pretty good picks.

Scrapper: Han Solo
He's the first guy I thought of when I saw the category. This was one of the stronger categories in the draft. I like ALL of the scrappers. The Man With No Name is a brilliant pick, and may have ousted Han Solo as my favorite pick...if he wasn't drafted so early. Goku makes for a great scrapper as well...but again, he could have been drafted last and probably still would have been around. Buffy is my favorite non-love interest female choice, and Rocky and Popeye are great picks as well. Like others, I'm floored Wolverine didn't make it into this category.

Magic: Gandalf
I'm a big Merlin guy, and he's pretty much the father of all magic. But Gandalf is freaking Gandalf. Raistlin rounds out my top three for this category. Harry Potter is a decent pick, but Dumbledore was the stronger choice here, I think. Would have liked to have seen Belgarath or Harry Dresden picked, but they aren't as universally recognized so it's no surprise that they weren't.

Science/Gadgets: Batman
I hate to be vanilla, but you have to. He IS the gadget guy. I mean, he has no superpowers, but he's the most popular comic book superhero of all time because of his gadgets and intellect. This was I think the strongest category of the draft. Best value pick goes to Gordon Freeman at the end of round 8. Da Vinci, Samus (2nd favorite non-love interest female) and Daedelus were great picks, and The Doctor was no slouch either. Again, never seen Fringe, so no comment on Bishop. Solid Snake was a pretty good pick as well. I think Tom Swift and Tony Stark were strong candidates that were overlooked, but I don't have too many problems with who ended up being drafted.

Investigator: Sherlock Holmes
Again with the vanilla, but he IS the prototypical investigator. This was another strong category. I think Tintin and J. Edgar Hoover are the weakest links here, Hoover because, well, Hoover. Tintin would have been a much better pick if he had been grabbed later in the draft. Obvious missing characters: Dick Tracy, The Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew (she was actually my first thought for non-love interest female), Encyclopedia Brown (homer pick there), Scully and/or Mulder, Clouseau, Monk and Jessica Fletcher (Angela Landsbury from Murder, She Wrote).

Firepower: Apollo
Dude is the god of the sun. I never would have thought of him, and he was picked super late. Win-win. I think Mega Man was a great pick as well, and loved the Capone and Earp picks as well. Notable omissions: Roland Deschain (The Gunslinger from Stephen King's Dark Tower series), Pyro, The Human Torch, Aerys Targaryen (deep cut nerd pick).

Protector: Superman
Sad to say, as cool as I think some of the other picks are, Superman wins. Really liked the Beowulf pick and Robin Hood, though as I mentioned before, I think Robin Hood was a reach as early as he went. Hard to think of anyone that was overlooked...Caramon Majere might have been a decent pick, but not at the expense of anyone who was already picked.

Arch-Nemesis: Professor James Moriarty
The first guy I thought of, and I think the prototypical arch-nemesis. He's always around, he's the nefarious equal of his counterpart, and he's just diabolical. Outside of him, I think that Dracula and Bond were the only other good choices. I think this ended up being the weakest category in the draft if only because of who wasn't picked. Darth Vader, Lex Luthor, Doctor Doom, The Joker, Magneto, The Wicked Witch of the West, Captain Hook, Ganon, Bowser, Megatron, Voldemort, Blofeld, Khan (Star Trek)...I could probably go on, but this was a disappointing category for me.

Special mention for Moby Dick, because while at first I was completely negative on the pick, I've started to come around. I think it's a good outside the box pick.

Love Interest: Helen of Troy
The face that launched 1,000 ships takes the cake here, with Guinevere as a very close second. This category was stronger than I anticipated, with all the choices being fairly inspired. The only super notable omission I can think of is Juliette.

Sidekick: Silver Surfer
Great pick as a sidekick, because technically he works in that category and is pretty much amazing. This was a fun category, and there were many great picks. I especially liked Chewbacca, Dr. Watson, Friday and Harley Quinn - I never would have thought to use Sidekick as the non-love interest female, and she works perfectly for the all-bad guy team. I think one of the biggest mistakes of the whole draft was no one taking Kato.

Base/Hideout: The Death Star
Another fantastically strong category with many contenders for "best of." The TARDIS, Enterprise, Batcave and and Mt. Olympus were great as well. I think The Hall of Justice, Avenger's Mansion, The Helicarrier and Xavier's School for the Gifted would have been great choices, but I'm pretty sure most of them were nixed by prior picks.

Best Single Pick: 6.4 Professor James Moriarty
Honorable mention:
5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk
7.8 Paul Muad'dib Atreides
7.1 Han Solo
8.7 Gordon Freeman
7.2 The Batcave

Biggest Whiff: No one picking Kato

Lots of fun to follow, wish I had more time during the week it would have been a fun one to participate in.

wade moore · 06-10-2012, 02:34 PM

Oh and on the Poison Ivy pick - hard to come up with prominent female villains that are less "fighter" and more "love interest". At the time I picked Poison Ivy I strongly considered "Saffron" from Firefly, but worried about the general apathy towards Christina Hendricks on the board.

I would have loved to go Cleopatra here, but I had already used the "real" Al Capone and because of how the categories lined up Capone was a more important pick than Cleo was.

The Jackal · 06-11-2012, 06:34 AM

1.6 The One Above All, Leader, Comic Book (Writer - Steve Englehart, Artist - Gene Colan)

This is what happens when you get a random idea at work instead of sticking with preparation. It dawned on me that there were going to be a lot of comic book characters in these picks, so the god-creator of the Marvel universe seemed like a fun choice. A hands off, celestial being. A reach in the first round no doubt, and I realized afterwards that this character being relatively unknown would hurt me. Still, I'm happy with this character as my leader.

2.3 Silver Surfer, Sidekick, 20th Century (Jack Kirby)

Fairly self-explanatory. Granted, he isn't much of a hero once he starts doing Galactus' bidding, but he's quite the powerful sidekick.

3.6 Hercules, Muscle, Mythology/Folkore (Unknown)

Was thrilled to get Hercules. Aside from Hulk he was who I had in mind for this category.

4.3 Leonardo da Vinci, Science/Gadgets, Pre-19th Century (Real)

A man of many talents, inventions, and ideas. Though there were some good modern picks around, I felt da Vinci epitomized the spirit of this category.

5.6 Tyler Durden, Scrapper, Literary (Chuck Palahniuk)

I'm fairly surprised no one took Sarah Connor here, and later kind of wished that I had, but Tyler Durden is a Scrapper through and through.

6.3 Brock Samson, Protector, 21st Century (Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer)

Not only would Brock have been a great muscle pick, he's literally a protector in the sense that he is a bodyguard. Plus he's voiced by Patrick Warburton, so he has that going for him.

7.6 Charlene 'Charlie' McGee, Firepower, Female (Stephen King)

I was struggling with the way to go in this category. Someone who is good with guns? Who can blow things up? In the end, I went with pyrokinetics, which to me is pretty much the definition of "fire" and "power".

8.3 Genie of the Lamp, Magic, Film (Eric Goldberg and Robin Williams)

I often forget how powerful the Genie is. He may be a slave to start off, but he do (almost) anything. And he can provide the rest of the heroes with some comic relief.

9.6 Jessica Rabbit, Love Interest, Animated (Gary K. Wolf)

"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

10.3 Moby Dick, Arch Nemesis, 19th Century (Herman Melville)

This was actually one of my favorite picks. In the sense of literal combat, a whale isn't going to stand up to many of the heroes, but Moby Dick is much more than a literal arch nemesis. I made this pick for the figurative sense, in that everyone on my team would be fighting their own Moby Dick.

11.6 High Hrothgar, Base/Hideout, Video Game (Bethesda Game Studios)

This was a tough category. In the end, I'm cool with my heroes chilling out on the top of a mountain in a castle/monastery.

12.3 Columbo, Investigator, TV (Richard Levinson and William Link)

"One more thing..."

Autumn · 06-11-2012, 11:20 AM

This is tough, wow. Some really good teams and picks.

Autumn · 06-11-2012, 11:29 AM

#3 Danny with a solid set, edging out Hoops: Harry Potter, Rocky, Beowulf, Dr. Watson, Lois Lane.

#2 Chief Rum with a star lineup of BAtman, Gandalf, Achilles, Captain Kirk, Mount Olympus and Han Solo.

At #1, Deacon knocks it out of the park with Merlin, Robin Hood, Wonder Woman, TARDIS, Zeus, Moriarty, Mary Jane, Popeye, Friday, Hercule Poirot. Very, very strong all around. Only two picks I didn't highlight, probably just because I'm not familiar with the characters.

1. NTNDeacon
2. Chief Rum
3. Danny

jbergey22 · 06-11-2012, 11:51 AM

1. chief rum
2. oykib
3. deacon

A lot of very good picks by all of the teams but it seemed only chiefs really fit together for some reason. I will say I wasnt at all impressed with your investigator chief

Leader
5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry)

Muscle
3.6 Hercules, Muscle, Mythology/Folkore (Unknown)

Scrapper
7.1 Han Solo-- Scrapper, Film (George Lucas)

Magic
1.5 Merlin Magic, Pre- 19th Century Creator(Geoffry of Monmouth)

Science/Gadgets
1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer) and 4.3 Leonardo da Vinci, Science/Gadgets, Pre-19th Century (Real) - Sorry I couldnt decide between them two. DaVinci had great value where he was picked but its Batman hes up against.

Investigator
2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

Firepower
4.2 Al Capone, Firepower, 19th Century (Real)

Protector
1.2 Superman, Protector, 20th Century (Jerry Siegel)

Arch Nemesis
6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)

Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team)
8.6 Lois Lane, Love Interest, Comic (Jerry Siegel)

Sidekick
7.3 Dr. Watson, Sidekick, 19th century (Doyle)

Base/Hideout
3.7 The Death Star, Base/Hideout, Film (George Lucas)

Ill try to make some comments later.

nZane · 06-11-2012, 12:39 PM

Ranked all of the categories (with bonus points for value picks) and came up with the following:

1) Grover
2) Danny
3) Hoopsguy

And the all stars:

Leader:
Jesus of Nazareth

Muscle:
Hercules

Scrapper:
Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Magic:
Gandalf

Scient/Gadgets:
Batman

Investigator:
Sherlock Holmes

Firepower:
Mega Man

Protector:
Superman

Arch Nemesis:
James Bond

Love Interest:
Lois Lane

Sidekick:
Chewbacca

Base/Hideout:
The Death Star

Great job all around! I thoroughly enjoyed following along; enough so that I decided to pop out of my lurking shell for a bit.

The Jackal · 06-11-2012, 04:40 PM

I think my first round pick is going to result in me being the only team without a vote.

I look forwards to doing more of these kind of drafts in the future though.

Coffee Warlord · 06-11-2012, 04:54 PM

Jesus. I have two people in a dead tie for 1st even scoring it in various ways.

Danny · 06-11-2012, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Jesus. I have two people in a dead tie for 1st even scoring it in various ways.

He's such a good leader, you casually mention his name. I don't see people saying "Captain Kirk. I have two people in a dead tie for 1st even scoring it in various ways."

Really though, I understand people have different ideals, but no one else has billions of people following them today

Chief Rum · 06-11-2012, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Jesus. I have two people in a dead tie for 1st even scoring it in various ways.

I don't know which two teams you have in contention, so I'll throw this out there for you to consider.

Which category is the most important category, in your opinion? And which of the two teams has the better choice for that category? That's how I would do the tiebreaker if I were you.

rockboy70 · 06-11-2012, 06:57 PM

All Stars:

Leader- Muad’Dib
Muscle - Hulk
Scrapper - Goku
Magic - Gandalf
Sci/Gadgets - The Doctor
Investigator - Holmes
Firepower - Master Chief
Protector - Green Lantern
Nemesis - Moriarty
Love Interest - Lois Lane
Sidekick - Silver Surfer
Base - Tardis

Vote:
1st - oykib
2nd - ntndeacon
3rd - Chief Rum

Autumn · 06-11-2012, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

He's such a good leader, you casually mention his name. I don't see people saying "Captain Kirk. I have two people in a dead tie for 1st even scoring it in various ways."

Really though, I understand people have different ideals, but no one else has billions of people following them today

Seriously though I don't see Jesus as a great pick for this draft. We need a team leader, not a leader of a people or a movement. If you consider the disciples as his team, Jesus had a leadership strategy that I don't think would translate well to this sort of team.

oykib · 06-11-2012, 09:51 PM

I guess I'm a little late with this.

I think that everyone seemed to have a different idea when it came to drafting. I was basically looking for a team that could accomplish some of the top missions of the JLA or the Avengers.

In the first round, I had the last pick. I basically had to just wait and see what category wasn't taken. When I saw that Scrapper was untouched, I thought I couldn't be luckier.

1.8 Son Goku, Scrapper, Animated (Akira Toriyama/Bandai)
With Goku I got the most powerful Scrapper I could think of. The best part is that he's more popular as an anime character than as a comic book character. I wanted to save the comic book pick for its versatility. The most powerful characters in just about every category were 20th Century comic book characters. I can picture Goku going toe-to-toe with anyone.

2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)
Sherlock Holmes was an easy pick. I got rid of the troublesome 19th Century category. Plus, he was always my pick as the top pure investigator. Batman's a better character overall because of his science, scrapper and leader qualifications. But I got enough from Goku, who's also sharp as firepower, protector or muscle that I thought the team could stand a few strong one or two-note picks.

3.8 The Doctor, Science/Gadgets, Television (Sydney Newman, C. E. Webber
and Donald Wilson/BBC)
The Doctor worked in the same vein as Holmes. TV was a category that I thought would give trouble if it wasn't picked early. There were no real magic or firepower picks that could stand up to comic book level threats for example.The Doctor never encounters Science or gadgets that he can't co-opt in his show. He's also a fair Investigator and solid Leader.

4.1 The Hulk, Muscle, 20th Century (Stan Lee and Jack Kirby)
After my initial pick of Thor turned out to be invalid, The Hulk was an easy choice. I had some ideas for a protector that I thought no one would take. So Muscle was the category that needed filling most. The Hulk's not losing out to anyone in that category. I still wanted to save comic book for later, so it didn't bother me that I had to use Stan and Jack in the 20th Century category here.

5.8 Kratos, Arch Nemesis, 21st Century (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Kratos worked for me hare because I pictured him as an anti-hero that could put aside his grievances and do the noble thing when required. However, he also works as an interesting antagonist in a normal story.

6.1 Supergirl, Sidekick, Female (Otto Binder and Al Pastino)
The early Silver Surfer pick got me thinking a bit broader in terms of Sidekick. Supergirl, in most of her incarnations, starts the story as Superman's sidekick. She spent three years as his sidekick in her initial run. You can't go wrong having a Kryptonian on the team. The Sidekick category was a trap to me. Except for a stretch where the Avengers had Rick Jones and the JLA had Snapper Carr, the premier super teams generally do without one. They are usually too vulnerable and lack enough competence to make as them useful as they are in solo books.

7.8 Paul Muad'Dib Atreides, Leader, Literary (Frank Herbert)
This was a pick that I had been saving for a while. I finally pulled the trigger because I didn't want to risk waiting any longer. The Leader category was the most important one to me. There are plenty of good leader characters in books. But there are few as good as Paul Atreides that also have superpowers. Most of the good leaders for this type of exercise were in the comic book category. Batman, Captain America and Cyclops would have been my top choices. But they were all going to be unavailable where I was picking. Atreides was probably my top value pick in the draft.

8.1 Revan, Magic, Video Game (Casey Hudson/LucasArts)
This was the only pick where I went with a character that I just liked so much that I had to have him on the team. I aslo find most wizards to be boring. They're all second-rate Merlins. The force is essentially magic/spiritual power. Plus, Revan's a guy that doesn't need to sit in the back and be protected. He could protect himself from half the Scrappers taken in this draft and still do some work with ESP and psychokinesis.

9.8 Apollo, Firepower, Mythology (unknown)
The fact that Apollo was still here in the ninth round kind of shocked me. It was between him and Rama for this category. But I thought his skill set fit the team better. I also didn't want to pick anyone that most people didn't know. The top super teams always have an archer. It doesn't hurt to have the god of archery on the squad. He's probably the second or third best Greek god available, and he's one of the few of those gods that I thought wasn't a total dick. Most of the other ones I could think of would totally ruin a team.
My squad also didn't have a healer yet. Apollo's the god of medicine. He's also the god of prophecy in addition to his headline ability of being the sun god. That rounded out my squad with three characters who might get an edge in any mission because of a gift for clairvoyance (Revan, Paul Atreides and Apollo). How many times has that helped a team Spider-Man was on?

10.1 Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Protector, Comic Book (John Broome and Gil Kane)
I finally pulled the trigger on a comic book character here. I like having a character with a force field. I also thought that I could use another flier on the team. With Green Lantern I get a character that can carry the non-fliers around and also protects them from both attack and hostile environment. He's a heavy-hitter as well and brings a fair amount of firepower. Hal Jordan's skillset includes the fact that even without his ring he's one of the best pilots you can find.

11.8 N.S.E.A. Protector, Base/Hideout, Film (David Howard, Robert Gordon and Dean Parisot)
I didn't want to throw away a pick on an immobile base of operations. I started thinking about what would be good, but my number one ship was already taken. Then, I remembered Galaxy Quest. What could be better than a bootleg Enterprise that can be operated by a skeleton crew of has-been actors. I still get a ship that can get my squad wherever it needs to be and has enough firepower to not get destroyed as soon as the crap goes down. I don't have to tie down my gadget guys to make it effective either.

12.1 Cleopatra, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Real)
Cleopatra was about the best love interest I could come up with. If I have to be burdened with a semi-useless slot, I wanted to pick someone that was worth the inevitable aggravation she'd bring the squad.

larrymcg421 · 06-14-2012, 10:27 AM

larrymcg421 · 06-16-2012, 03:27 PM

bumping one last time. I'll close voting off at midnight and post the results.

ColtCrazy · 06-16-2012, 03:54 PM

This was definitely a cool idea.

1. Danny's Dashing Defenders -

Round after round, reading his team made me just say "Damn, this is a good team."

2. wade moore -

Loved his idea, and I somehow see Q giving Bond a gadget that would blow the Death Star up.

3. oykib -

The key for me was Holmes and the Doctor, two excellent picks at their perspective spots. Also liked the Revan pick a lot.

larrymcg421 · 06-17-2012, 01:36 PM

Congrats to Chief, who is our winner. Final results:

Chief	21
Deacon	13
oykib	12
Grover	11
Danny	10
wade	8
Hoops	6
Jackal	0

larrymcg421 · 06-17-2012, 01:54 PM

And here's the All-Star team

Leader: Capt. James Tiberius Kirk (6 of 8)
Muscle: Hercules (5 of 8)
Scrapper: Son Goku, Buffy Summers, and Han Solo (2 of 8 each)
Magic: Gandalf (5 of 8)
Science/Gadgets: Batman (6 of 8)
Investigator: Sherlock Holmes (8 of 8)
Firepower: Mega Man and Apollo (2 of 8 each)
Protector: Superman (7 of 8)
Arch Nemesis: Professor James Moriarty (5 of 8)
Love Interest: Lois Lane (4 of 8)
Base/Hideout: The Death Star (3 of 8)

Honorable Mention: The Hulk (lost a close 5-3 battle with Hercules)

Chief Rum · 06-17-2012, 05:24 PM

Wow, awesome! Thanks for all the votes, everyone!

This was a lot of fun. Thanks for running this, larry.

06-08-2012, 01:24 PM	#5
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	I'll get to voting for teams soon, but I can start with the all-star "best in each category" vote: Leader - 5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry) While I wanted to go with Jesus, and think it was a strong choice, Kirk jumps to the front of the line much quicker when I think of "leader". Muscle - 3.6 Hercules, Muscle, Mythology/Folkore (Unknown) The Hulk and Mr. Incredible were great choices as well, Hercules I think of as the original classic muscle. But Wonder Woman, seriously? Scrapper - 4.7 Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Scrapper, TV (Joss Whedon) Han Solo was an excellent choice as well, but Buffy seems like the ultimate scrapper from this list. Magic - 2.8 Gandalf-- Magic, Literary (JRR Tolkien) A slight nod to the classic wizard over the Genie, who could only grant 3 wishes. Science/Gadgets - 1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer) I think the Doctor is also a very strong choice, but Batman IS the gadget man of super heroes and has to win. Investigator - 2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan The ultimate investigator wins hands down. Firepower - 9.8 Apollo, Firepower, Mythology (unknown) Seriously? Lots of weak entries here I think. Ripley didn't have firepower until late in the movie, and barely used much of it frankly. Vasquez would have been a better choice from the same movie. Master Chief is okay but hampered in rankings by video game fudging (Ripley at least had to actually figure out how to hang all that weaponry on her frame). How about Jesse Ventura's character in Predator over most of the other choices? So I'll go with the god, although Zeus and his lightning bolts would have been a better choice. Protector - 1.2 Superman, Protector, 20th Century (Jerry Siegel) I think the ultimate classic has to win out here. Arch Nemesis - 6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) James Bond as an arch-nemesis? Blofeld would have been the better choice there. I can't really by Dracula as a true nemesis. So I'll go with Moriarty, the equal of Holmes and a very strong rival. Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team) - 12.1 Cleopatra, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Real) I like a strong woman, not the simpering whiny do-nothing-but-look-pretty choices many others made here. Sidekick - 3.2 Chewbacca/Sidekick/Film (Lucas) Loyal, strong, and great sense of humor. Base/Hideout - 4.4 The TARDIS , Base/hideout, TV (Sydney Newman, C.E. Webber, Donald Wilson) Go anywhere, anytime, and so big inside you still don't know everything that's in there? Best base ever... __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

06-08-2012, 02:12 PM	#7
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	1) Hoopsguy's Heroic Horde 2) Chief Rum 3) Danny's Dashing Defenders __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

06-08-2012, 04:38 PM	#10
TRO College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisburg, KS	My All-Star lineup vote: Leader 5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry) Great pick here, especially in round 5. Super value from round 8 in Aragorn as well, but Kirk was a superb selection. Muscle 4.1 The Hulk, Muscle, 20th Century (Stan Lee and Jack Kirby) Some good selections here, but Hulk SMASH for me. Achilles being the first off the board here is surprising since he is more known for his weakness than his strength. Scrapper 1.8 Son Goku, Scrapper, Animated (Akira Toriyama/Bandai) Goku over Rocky here for me. Though I think he may have also fit in firepower pretty well. Maybe even a better fit there as Scrapper was so strong. I'm very surprised Wolverine didn't find his way in here though. Magic 8.3 Genie of the Lamp, Magic, Film (Eric Goldberg and Robin Williams) Some good choices, but I like me some Genie. Science/Gadgets 1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer) I love the DaVinci choice, but it can't top what I would have taken as 1.1 as well. Investigator 2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) I like it when the first pick of the group is also the best choice. Firepower 11.4 Mega Man, Firepower, Video Game (Capcom) I like it even better when the LAST choice is the best choice. This one is superb value. Protector 1.2 Superman, Protector, 20th Century (Jerry Siegel) Yawn, perfect. Arch Nemesis 6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) James Bond?!?! What?!?! I think Voldemort would have been a homerun here. I like the selection of Moby Dick, but I don't think our super powered group would have much difficulty with it and it even might make a case for using Aqua Man on the team (no thank you). So, I'll take Moriarty. Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team) 5.2 Guinevere, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Chretien de Troyes) Where is the None option? Sidekick 3.2 Chewbacca/Sidekick/Film (Lucas) Brilliant. Base/Hideout 9.4 USS Enterprise, Base/Hideout, TV (Roddenberry) I like having some mobility with the base. Beam me up. __________________ TRA, the Royal Ape

06-09-2012, 07:23 AM	#17
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	1.4 Spider-Man, Protector, 20th Century (Stan Lee) 2.5 The Man With No Name, Scrapper, Film (Sergio Leone) 3.4 Tintin, Investigator, Comic Book (Hergé) 4.5 Count Dracula, Arch-Nemesis, 19th Century (Bram Stoker) 5.4 Helen of Troy, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Homer) 6.5 He-Man, Muscle, Animation (Mattel) 7.4 Samus Aran, Science/Gadgets, Female (Makato Kano) 8.5 Aragorn, Son of Arathorn, Leader, Literary (Tolkein) 9.4 USS Enterprise, Base/Hideout, TV (Roddenberry) 10.5 Heka, Magic, Mythology/Folklore (unknown) 11.4 Mega Man, Firepower, Video Game (Capcom) 12.5 Alyx Vance, Sidekick, 21st Century (Valve) I'll blurb a quick line or two about each pick and why I went there. 1.4 - After Batman and Superman went 1-2, Spider-Man was my obvious choice at four. I could have easily went with him as a Scrapper, but he is a protector if you're a young and attractive brunette or redhead. And for those who don't think Spider-Man fits as a Protector... 'everybody gets one' 2.5 - I think some people probably scratched their heads at this pick and 3.4, but Clint Eastwood's Man With No Name from Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy has to be one of the greatest Scrappers in film history. He's clever, intelligent, resourceful and a perfect shot with those pistols. 3.4 - I could have probably nabbed Tintin late in the draft, but I wanted him so I picked him early. Tintin, the boy reporter from Hergé's comic book (later television and movie) of the same name, is a precocious investigator. Using his wit and intelligence to solve crimes, though he can get himself into trouble here and there, he excels at solving the mystery and saving the day. 4.5 - If I hadn't used film on TMWNN, I would have taken Vader here. Count Dracula was the #2 Arch-Nemesis on my board. He is one of the ultimate evils in literature. He can come across as friendly and weak one moment, but can easily show his true powers and form. Remember: shape-shifting is cool. 5.4 - Helen of Troy was my top pick for a love interest. She also helped get the pesky Pre-19th Century sub-category out of the way. I mean, Menelaus attempted to strike her with his sword and her beauty caused him to drop it. She had suitors lined up for days to attempt to take her hand. What more could you want from a love interest? 6.5 - He-Man is animation's ultimate strongman and wielding the Power Sword, He-Man could go from ordinary prince to God among Men. With him as my muscle, this team has the power. 7.4 - I feel like I need to explain this one a bit too. For those of you who don't know, Samus Aran is the hero of the Metroid video game series. I could have stuck her in firepower, but chose Science/Gadgets because of her various suits, the beam cannon on her arm, and of course the legendary morph ball. For these reasons, I felt Samus fit into the Science/Gadgets category better than Firepower. 8.5 - I needed a leader and was surprised Aragorn was still available. He becomes fills his birthright by becoming King. His nickname is Strider. He's 87 years old in the prime of his life. Aragorn is awesome. 9.4 - With the Death Star taken, I had to take the next best base, The USS Enterprise. This makes the hero team mobile and maybe Aragorn can say "Make it so." The Enterprise is nearly as iconic as the Death Star in sci-fi / nerd circles. Also, it looks cool. 10.5 - Mythology/Folklore was my biggest obstacle nearing the end of the draft, but Heka, the Egyptian Goddess of Magic, helped fill those shoes pretty easily. 11.4 - Mega Man was my absolute best pick and a total value in the 11th round. With the X-Buster, Mega Man is the definition of Firepower. He can charge the weapon for a bigger blast, and by defeating his foes, gains the power of their weaponry for the X-Buster. By the end of the numerous Mega-Man games, Mega-Man has nine different types of projectiles he can fire from the X-Buster. Firepower, indeed. 12.5 - Alyx Vance is Gordon Freeman's right hand in Half-Life 2, one of the best computer games ever made. She's what I wanted in a sidekick. Smart, can handle a weapon, yet is excellent with computers. She's a Jack of All Trades, exactly what a sidekick should be. My best pick: Mega Man My worst pick: Tintin, I could have gotten him, probably in the 12th round no less. I still like him and wanted him on my team, but I took him way too early. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner Last edited by Grover : 06-09-2012 at 09:22 AM.

06-09-2012, 08:30 AM	#18
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	My goals with the team were the following: 1.) Pick characters that played across multiple medias - comics/television/film/books - that would establish them as iconic in the minds of the voters 2.) When possible, pick characters that would be fun to have as teammates With that, here are the round by round recaps: 1.) Superman - I probably would have taken him 1st overall, he is pretty much the archetype for the comic book superhero. Protector role seemed obvious for him, the only potential regret here is using the Comic Book category up so early. Still, no way that Superman wasn't the pick in this spot and I was pleased he dropped. 2.) Lara Croft - the first name I think of in terms of heroic female characters. Massive video game presence, multiple films spawned off that character, comic book series ... this gal was everywhere. Pick was predicated far more on "Female" than on "Investigator" and I feel like if we were listing people based on that 2nd criteria (female, century, media, etc) that this would be a clear #1. My only regret with this pick is that I think I could have made it a couple rounds later and still gotten it. 3.) Chewbacca - "let the Wookie win!" Clearly a fun pick to have in this spot, I think having Chewbacca on the team makes the overall group immediately more appealing to readers/viewers/voters. The Star Wars brand was also something that I wanted to have on my team and this seemed like a better "category play" than anything I could come up with for the other characters. 4.) Buffy the Vampire Slayer - went with Buffy here instead of Wolverine because I didn't want to get too tied into comic book characters with my team. Although I already had a female character, I thought Buffy was a really strong entry for the scrapper category and represented an iconic, recognizable TV character. Looking at other picks in this category, I think this was kind of an eclectic bunch overall and it seems other teams had somewhat different ideas of what constituted a "scrapper" 5.) Guinevere - Married to King Arthur, lover of his top knight Lancelot, forced to marry the usurper Modred ... pretty much the object of desire in all Arthurian legends before she becomes a nun. Integral part of the legend around the Knights of the Round Table. I wanted to get pre-19th Century out of the way here, and figured it was a toss-up between her and Helen of Troy. Tiebreaker for me was that I might find another Greek/Roman character later in the draft that I might want to fill a category in 10-12 picks where selections are tougher to make. 6.) Wyatt Earp - 19th Century was a tougher category as well, and I was looking to get these addressed early to make later choices more flexible. Earp was the most recognizable Wild West era character, and has been detailed in several movies, most notably Tombstone. I thought of the firepower role as a "shoot 'em up" type, where the scrapper was a "beat 'em up" role. In a historical context, I think Earp is a really strong pick for this category but so far he doesn't seem to have resonated with the voters. 7.) Batcave - this was my clear #1 pick for the category. Although I think there were some other good picks made, I don't think any immediately comes to mind in terms of "hero base/hideout" word association faster than this one. Getting a piece of the Batman franchise, while already having Superman with my first round pick, was just icing on the cake. 8.) Gordon Freeman - protagonist of an immensely popular video game series, I think he would once again be the top pick if people were doing their rankings on secondary categories instead of the ones listed above. I think he would have been a good choice for firepower as well, but he is a scientist (the scientist who opened the portal) and benefits from futuristic armor/weapons in his battles against alien hordes. 9.) Daenerys Targaryen - I wanted to have a representative from the George R.R. Martin books, but it is challenging to classify many of the characters as heroes. In the end, I went with the mother of dragons who embarked on a campaign to liberate slaves while building the army to retake the throne that had been stolen from her family. Although she is not a magic user in the traditional sense, she clearly has magical characteristics - birthing dragons, able to withstand intense heat, subject of prophesies. 10.) Rick Grimes - leader of the band of fighters trying to stave off an unending stream of zombies. Filled the 21st Century criteria, gave me someone who clearly fit the leader category, and another character recognizable across multiple media streams (comics, TV). 11.) Shrek - although Shrek probably isn't out-benching many of the characters in this category, I think he is a more beloved character for all ages than others picked before/after. Thought he was a fine value pick at this stage in the draft. 12.) Pharaoh - was a little stuck in terms of identifying an Arch-Nemisis/Folklore+Mythology that couldn't be "Unknown" at this point. In the end, I went to the Bible to find my selection. I think the value of an Arch-Nemesis is driven to a large extent by the quality of the hero he opposes, which left me with Pharaoh and Pontius Pilate. I felt Pilate was more of a moment-in-time reluctant bad guy, plus Satan would seem to be the real nemesis of Jesus, but he was off the board earlier. By comparison, Pharaoh was a more remorseless and persistent enemy to Moses. Ergo, Pharaoh. And Yul Brynner playing the role is an added bonus. Last edited by hoopsguy : 06-09-2012 at 09:33 PM.

06-08-2012, 12:30 PM	#2
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I would love to hear people's explanations of their teams. Also, if they could post them in a set order to make it easy to look at them side by side, that would be awesome.

06-08-2012, 12:30 PM	#3
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Leader 1.3 Jesus of Nazareth, Leader, Pre 19th century (Real) 1.6 The One Above All, Leader, Comic Book (Writer - Steve Englehart, Artist - Gene Colan) 2.2 Satan, Leader, Pre-19th Century (John Milton) 5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry) 5.5 Zeus Leader, Mythology/Folklore (Unknown) 7.8 Paul Muad'Dib Atreides, Leader, Literary (Frank Herbert) 8.5 Aragorn, Son of Arathorn, Leader, Literary (Tolkein) 10.7 Rick Grimes, Leader, 21st Century (Robert Kirkman) Muscle 3.1 Achilles-- Muscle, Pre-19th Century (Homer) 3.5 Wonder Woman ,Muscle,Female Creator(William Marston) 3.6 Hercules, Muscle, Mythology/Folkore (Unknown) 4.1 The Hulk, Muscle, 20th Century (Stan Lee and Jack Kirby) 6.5 He-Man, Muscle, Animation (Mattel) 8.2 Bowser, Muscle, Video Game (Shigeru Miyamoto) 11.2 Shrek, Muscle, Animated (William Steig) 11.3 Mr. Incredible, muscle, 21st century Scrapper 1.8 Son Goku, Scrapper, Animated (Akira Toriyama/Bandai) 2.5 The Man With No Name, Scrapper, Film (Sergio Leone) 4.7 Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Scrapper, TV (Joss Whedon) 5.3 Rocky Balboa, Scrapper, 20th century (sly Stallone) 5.6 Tyler Durden, Scrapper, Literary (Chuck Palahniuk) 7.1 Han Solo-- Scrapper, Film (George Lucas) 10.4 Popeye, Scrapper, Animated (E.C. Segar, Max Fleischer) 11.7 Wile E. Coyote, Scrapper, Animation (Chuck Jones) Magic 1.5 Merlin Magic, Pre- 19th Century Creator(Geoffry of Monmouth) 2.8 Gandalf-- Magic, Literary (JRR Tolkien) 3.3 Harry Potter, Magic, Literary (Rowling) 5.7 Raistlin Majere, Magic, Literary (Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman) 8.1 Revan, Magic, Video Game (Casey Hudson/LucasArts) 8.3 Genie of the Lamp, Magic, Film (Eric Goldberg and Robin Williams) 9.2 Daenerys Targaryen, Magic, Literary (GRRM) 10.5 Heka, Magic, Mythology/Folklore (unknown) Science/Gadgets 1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer) 3.8 The Doctor, Science/Gadgets, Television (Sydney Newman, C. E. Webber and Donald Wilson/BBC) 4.3 Leonardo da Vinci, Science/Gadgets, Pre-19th Century (Real) 7.4 Samus Aran, Science/Gadgets, Female (Makato Kano) 7.5 Walter Bishop Science/Gadgets, 21st century (JJ Abrams,Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci) 7.7 Daedelus, Science/Gadgets, Mythology/Folklore (unknown) 8.7 Gordon Freeman, Science/Gadgets, Video Game (Gabe Newell/Valve) 9.3 Solid Snake Science / Gadgets, Video Game (Hideo Kojima) Investigator 2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) 2.6 Indiana Jones, Investigator, Film (Lucas) 2.7 Lara Croft, Investigator, Female (Toby Gard/Eidos) 3.4 Tintin, Investigator, Comic Book (Hergé) 9.1 J. Edgar Hoover-- Investigator, 19th Century (Real) 10.2 Dexter, Investigator, 21st Century (James Manos, Jr.) 12.3 Columbo, Investigator, TV (Richard Levinson and William Link) 12.4 Hercule Poirot , Investigator, 20th century (Agatha Christie) Firepower 4.2 Al Capone, Firepower, 19th Century (Real) 4.6 Ellen Ripley, firepower, female (Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett) 4.8 Dr. Manhattan-- Firepower, 20th Century (Alan Moore writer, Dave Gibbons artist, colorist John Higgins) 6.7 Wyatt Earp - firepower, 19th century (real) 7.6 Charlene 'Charlie' McGee, Firepower, Female (Stephen King) 8.4 Master Chief Firepower, Video Game (Marcus Lehto, Rob McLees, Shi Kai Wang) 9.8 Apollo, Firepower, Mythology (unknown) 11.4 Mega Man, Firepower, Video Game (Capcom) Protector 1.2 Superman, Protector, 20th Century (Jerry Siegel) 1.4 Spider-Man, Protector, 20th Century (Stan Lee) 2.4 Robin Hood, Protector, Film (Michael Curtiz, Errol Flynn) 6.2 Ben Linus, Protector, TV (Jeffrey Lieber, J. J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof) 6.3 Brock Samson, Protector, 21st Century (Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer) 6.6 Beowulf, Protector, Mythology/Folklore, unknown 8.8 Selene-- Protector, Female (Kevin Grevioux, Len Wiseman, Danny McBride, Kate Beckinsale) 10.1 Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Protector, Comic Book (John Broome and Gil Kane) Arch Nemesis 1.7 James Bond, Arch Nemesis, 10th Century (Ian Fleming) 4.5 Count Dracula, Arch-Nemesis, 19th Century (Bram Stoker) 5.8 Kratos, Arch Nemesis, 21st Century (Sony Computer Entertainment) 6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) 10.3 Moby Dick, Arch Nemesis, 19th Century (Herman Melville) 10.6 The Master, Arch Nemesis, TV, (Sydney Newman, C. E. Webber, Donald Wilson) 10.8 Donkey Kong, Arch Nemesis, Video Game (Shigeru Miyamoto/Nintendo/Sega) 12.7 Pharoah, Arch-Nemisis/Mythology (Moses, Book of Exodus) Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team) 5.2 Guinevere, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Chretien de Troyes) 5.4 Helen of Troy, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Homer) 8.6 Lois Lane, Love Interest, Comic (Jerry Siegel) 9.5 Mary Jane Watson , Love interest, Comic Book (Stan Lee, John Romita, Steve Ditko) 9.6 Jessica Rabbit, Love Interest, Animated (Gary K. Wolf) 12.1 Cleopatra, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Real) 12.2 Poison Ivy, Love Interest, Female (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm) 12.8 Sookie Stackhouse-- Love Interest, 21st Century (Charmaine Harris) Sidekick 2.3 Silver Surfer, Sidekick, 20th Century (Jack Kirby) 3.2 Chewbacca/Sidekick/Film (Lucas) 6.1 Supergirl, Sidekick, Female (Otto Binder and Al Pastino) 7.3 Dr. Watson, Sidekick, 19th century (Doyle) 9.7 Harley Quinn, Sidekick, Comic Book (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm) 11.1 Bumblebee, Sidekick, Animated (Hasbro) 11.5 Friday Sidekick, Literary (Daniel Defoe) 12.5 Alyx Vance, Sidekick, 21st Century (Valve) Base/Hideout 3.7 The Death Star, Base/Hideout, Film (George Lucas) 4.4 The TARDIS , Base/hideout, TV (Sydney Newman, C.E. Webber, Donald Wilson) 6.8 Mount Olympus-- Base/Hideout, Mythology/Folklore (Unknown) 7.2 Batcave, Base/Hideout, ComicBook 9.4 USS Enterprise, Base/Hideout, TV (Roddenberry) 11.6 High Hrothgar, Base/Hideout, Video Game (Bethesda Game Studios) 11.8 N.S.E.A. 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06-08-2012, 04:13 PM	#9
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Leader 5.5 Zeus Leader, Mythology/Folklore (Unknown) The king of the Gods. How could he not be a great leader? It also took other good possibilties off the board as leaders as thier origins were also unknown. Muscle 3.5 Wonder Woman ,Muscle,Female Creator(William Marston) We had to pick one female in a category other than Love interest. Since the other members of the DC Trinity went with the first two picks, it was time to pull the trigger on the third member of that triumverate. to badly quote gtelmack, "Wonder Woman, seriously!" She has been able to hang punch for punch with Superman, and has defeated Herakles (the greek and DC version of Hercules) several times. She is clearly on the level of the greatest of muscle characters. Scrapper 10.4 Popeye, Scrapper, Animated (E.C. Segar, Max Fleischer) Scrapper was one of those categories that seemed the easiest to fill. At least in the number of quality choices. However even though I saw many other possible scrappers that could be used, my mimd kept going back to the Vitamin A loving sailor. The category seemed tailor made for him. The fact he was still unpicked seemed a crime. (there were all but 2 scrappers chosen by this point.) A patient man needled into fighting by Bluto making untoward advances on his goil. Popeye "cant stans no more!" Magic 1.5 Merlin Magic, Pre- 19th Century Creator(Geoffry of Monmouth) With my 1st pick, I felt I should go with what I considered the best possible pick in a category. It also went in opposition to 3 of the first 4 picks as it wasn't a comic book character. Merlin represents the foremost magician in fiction. Most later magicians take at least some inspiration to the ideas of Merlin. Science/Gadgets 7.5 Walter Bishop Science/Gadgets, 21st century (JJ Abrams,Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci) Walter Bishop from the TV show Fringe represents the mad scientist character we have seen throughout fiction. One of the differences is he is actually working for the good guys, and the fringe aspects of science are to help mankind. Investigator 12.4 Hercule Poirot , Investigator, 20th century (Agatha Christie) This category gave me pause, as there are so many investigators that could be included. However to not include Agatha Christie's Belgian sleuth seemed a shame. This ex-police officer uses his "little gray cells" to much success. He gets everyone to talk about the case with him. Logic is the key, not following footprints and cigar ash. It is following peoples motives that will lead to the true criminal! Firepower 8.4 Master Chief Firepower, Video Game (Marcus Lehto, Rob McLees, Shi Kai Wang) Master Chief, the face, so to speak, of the Halo franchise, has helped destroy the Covenant and the Flood with a multitude of weaponry. He even destroyed one of the Halos. Firepower galore!! Protector 2.4 Robin Hood, Protector, Film (Michael Curtiz, Errol Flynn) The story of Robin Hood is a rich tradition, but to me the best place Robin Hood is seen is in The Adventures of Robin Hood. Errol Flynn swinging in all in green just sticks in the memory. Even though we have seen him many other times in TV and Movies, none other match the swashbuckling savior of Sherwood Forest! Arch Nemesis 6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) Several folks still needed an Archnemesis at this point...(only 3 were off the board) I started to look at the possibilities in the different centuries and genres still left on my board. started to get conceerned that other eyes might start to head in the direction of Sherlock Holmes' most worthy adversary. His tendency to work from below the view of the heroic figures in his era, makes him more than capable to fend off a collection of heroes from every time period. Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team) 9.5 Mary Jane Watson , Love interest, Comic Book (Stan Lee, John Romita, Steve Ditko) "Face it Tiger. You've just hit the Jackpot!" One of Spiderman's most recognizable supporting characters. In fact one of the most recognizable love interests in all of comicdom. Sidekick 11.5 Friday Sidekick, Literary (Daniel Defoe) Friday stands as a great example of the sidekick concept. So much so, a sidekick is sometimes referred to as a man Friday. A boon companion, and helper in the adventures of his hero, Robinson Caruso. Friday is loyal to the core. Base/Hideout 4.4 The TARDIS , Base/hideout, TV (Sydney Newman, C.E. Webber, Donald Wilson) This pick was taken for a couple of reasons. First, This category was one that had the potential to be very problematic if left too late. Secondly, there were a couple of categories that were topped from the Dr. Who Universe. Both of those categories were in my crosshairs in this spot. I felt fortunate that no one had grabbed The best base in the draft.

06-08-2012, 11:02 PM	#15
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	The All-Stars Capt. Kirk - Leader Hercules - Muscle Rocky - scrapper Merlin - magic Batman - gadgets sherlock holmes - investogiaro lois lane- love interest ? - firepower superman protector dracula - nemesis chewbacca - sidekcik batcave - base In thinking about the All-Stars I looked for which choice is the best, most archetypal representiatve of the category. In the way that Sherlock Holmes nearly defines "investigator" in our minds, I wanted that in each category. I wasn't looking at a good team up here, or who would be most effective, etc. I think we've got that with this lineup. Except for firepower. I just don't see anyone there that really defines firepower to me. Capone and Earp sort of jump out but I don't think either of them are really known for their shooting abilities. I don't know anything about the videogame ones, so maybe those are the prime choices. But I feel like something is missing from that category, though I must admit nobody has jumped into my head as the obvious choice. Maybe someone like Iron Man, Cyclops, to dig into comic books.

06-08-2012, 11:59 PM	#16
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I ranked each of the categories 1-7... (I of course kept my picks out of the ranks) and came up with the following top three: 1. Grover 2. oykib 3. Chief For the All star team, the top picks per category were as follows: Leader- Capt. Kirk Muscle- The Hulk Scrapper- The Man with No Name Magic-Gandalf Science/Gadgets- The Doctor Investigator- Sherlock Holmes Firepower- Dr. Manhattan Protector- Superman Arch Nemesis- The Master Love Interest- Helen of Troy Side kick- Dr. Watson Base- Mt Olympus

06-10-2012, 07:32 AM	#19
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'll have a writeup sometime tonight or tomorrow morning

06-10-2012, 12:49 PM	#20
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	So this was way more fun to follow than I anticipated. There were some great picks, and some interesting strategies involved. Here's how I see it: 1. wade moore I think it was brilliant to go the inverted route, drafting a good guy as the arch-nemesis and then crafting a team of villains to fight him. I think that the Death Star would have been a fantastic base even without having a team of villains, because really, who wouldn't want a base that was mobile and could destroy entire planets?!!? Al Capone for Firepower was also one of my favorite picks of the entire draft. Wile E. Coyote was an inspired pick that I never even thought of, but makes a great scrapper. I think the worst pick of the bunch is Poison Ivy, but at the same time it's not a bad pick. Well done, wade. 2. Chief Rum It's hard to screw it up when you have the #1 overall, but Chief followed it up with an incredible supporting cast. Gandalf late in the second and Han Solo in the 7th were brilliant picks, and I'm floored that both lasted as long as they did. All that being said, my favorite pick for Chief Rum was picking Captain Kirk in the 5th. I think he's hands-down the best leader picked - I mean the dude beat the Kobayashi Maru. And he talks...like...this...still...even...though...he's...eighty. His late draft (Selene through Bumblebee) was pretty weak, so he doesn't quite get the crown from wade. 3. Deacon's helpful band Deacon's team almost surpassed Chief's for me. I just think that Chief's best picks were home runs, and while Deacon had more consistency across the board...he only had one pure home run pick in Moriarty, who I think is clearly the best Arch-Nemesis in the entire draft. Seriously though, his entire draft were all very strong picks, outside of Walter Bishop and Robin Hood. I actually really like the Robin Hood pick, I just think he was a reach in round two. I have never seen Fringe, so I really can't comment on Bishop other than to say that TV seemed like a pretty weak category overall, so I don't know how that played into it. Third was by far the toughest to pick. I really, really enjoy hoops, grover and Danny's teams as well. In the end, I like all of the teams, but Jackal and oykib had too many holes to be considered at the top.

06-10-2012, 01:33 PM	#21
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	wade moore 1.7 James Bond, Arch Nemesis, 10th Century (Ian Fleming) 2.2 Satan, Leader, Pre-19th Century (John Milton) 3.7 The Death Star, Base/Hideout, Film (George Lucas) 4.2 Al Capone, Firepower, 19th Century (Real) 5.7 Raistlin Majere, Magic, Literary (Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman) 6.2 Ben Linus, Protector, TV (Jeffrey Lieber, J. J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof) 7.7 Daedelus, Science/Gadgets, Mythology/Folklore (unknown) 8.2 Bowser, Muscle, Video Game (Shigeru Miyamoto) 9.7 Harley Quinn, Sidekick, Comic Book (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm) 10.2 Dexter, Investigator, 21st Century (James Manos, Jr.) 11.7 Wile E. Coyote, Scrapper, Animation (Chuck Jones) 12.2 Poison Ivy, Love Interest, Female (Paul Dini, Bruce Timm) Still figuring out my voting, but I just wanted to simultaneously applaud wade's creativity and take issue with a couple picks here. 1. Satan isn't a villain in Paradise Lost. He's a tragic, sympathetic character, if not an outright hero, so that violates the concept of the entire selection process. That pretty much kills it right there. 2. I also wouldn't consider Raistlin a villain. Anti-hero, yes. Villain, no. I haven't seen Dexter, so can't comment, but given he's the lead character, I'd say he falls in the same antihero vein. So, great idea, but unfortunately, you've got to stay true to a bold concept and that just didn't happen here. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

06-10-2012, 02:33 PM	#23
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	By category: Leader: 5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk In a landslide. I liked the pick of Zeus and I think that Paul Muad'dib Atreides was insane value at the end of round 7. I also liked Satan as a leader of Wade's villain squad. Overall not as strong a category as I anticipated. I really think that the "real" category had some amazingly strong choices in it that were aced out by the Jesus pick. I think that Alexander, Caesar, Washington and several others were better picks, because as a real person we have no indication at all that Jesus was a great leader. As a literary figure, yes. But that borders on religious conversation that I don't want to get into Muscle: Hercules This was a four-way race between Hercules, He-Man, The Hulk and Mr. Incredible for me. In the end, Hercules is never ever "off", while He-Man spends a good portion of time as this week pre-teen kid and Bruce Banner isn't much for muscle until he gets angry. Mr. Incredible was an inspired pick, but it seemed like more of an "I missed all the big guns so I'll grab this guy late" pick. This was a really strong category, as even the four I didn't name are pretty good picks. Scrapper: Han Solo He's the first guy I thought of when I saw the category. This was one of the stronger categories in the draft. I like ALL of the scrappers. The Man With No Name is a brilliant pick, and may have ousted Han Solo as my favorite pick...if he wasn't drafted so early. Goku makes for a great scrapper as well...but again, he could have been drafted last and probably still would have been around. Buffy is my favorite non-love interest female choice, and Rocky and Popeye are great picks as well. Like others, I'm floored Wolverine didn't make it into this category. Magic: Gandalf I'm a big Merlin guy, and he's pretty much the father of all magic. But Gandalf is freaking Gandalf. Raistlin rounds out my top three for this category. Harry Potter is a decent pick, but Dumbledore was the stronger choice here, I think. Would have liked to have seen Belgarath or Harry Dresden picked, but they aren't as universally recognized so it's no surprise that they weren't. Science/Gadgets: Batman I hate to be vanilla, but you have to. He IS the gadget guy. I mean, he has no superpowers, but he's the most popular comic book superhero of all time because of his gadgets and intellect. This was I think the strongest category of the draft. Best value pick goes to Gordon Freeman at the end of round 8. Da Vinci, Samus (2nd favorite non-love interest female) and Daedelus were great picks, and The Doctor was no slouch either. Again, never seen Fringe, so no comment on Bishop. Solid Snake was a pretty good pick as well. I think Tom Swift and Tony Stark were strong candidates that were overlooked, but I don't have too many problems with who ended up being drafted. Investigator: Sherlock Holmes Again with the vanilla, but he IS the prototypical investigator. This was another strong category. I think Tintin and J. Edgar Hoover are the weakest links here, Hoover because, well, Hoover. Tintin would have been a much better pick if he had been grabbed later in the draft. Obvious missing characters: Dick Tracy, The Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew (she was actually my first thought for non-love interest female), Encyclopedia Brown (homer pick there), Scully and/or Mulder, Clouseau, Monk and Jessica Fletcher (Angela Landsbury from Murder, She Wrote). Firepower: Apollo Dude is the god of the sun. I never would have thought of him, and he was picked super late. Win-win. I think Mega Man was a great pick as well, and loved the Capone and Earp picks as well. Notable omissions: Roland Deschain (The Gunslinger from Stephen King's Dark Tower series), Pyro, The Human Torch, Aerys Targaryen (deep cut nerd pick). Protector: Superman Sad to say, as cool as I think some of the other picks are, Superman wins. Really liked the Beowulf pick and Robin Hood, though as I mentioned before, I think Robin Hood was a reach as early as he went. Hard to think of anyone that was overlooked...Caramon Majere might have been a decent pick, but not at the expense of anyone who was already picked. Arch-Nemesis: Professor James Moriarty The first guy I thought of, and I think the prototypical arch-nemesis. He's always around, he's the nefarious equal of his counterpart, and he's just diabolical. Outside of him, I think that Dracula and Bond were the only other good choices. I think this ended up being the weakest category in the draft if only because of who wasn't picked. Darth Vader, Lex Luthor, Doctor Doom, The Joker, Magneto, The Wicked Witch of the West, Captain Hook, Ganon, Bowser, Megatron, Voldemort, Blofeld, Khan (Star Trek)...I could probably go on, but this was a disappointing category for me. Special mention for Moby Dick, because while at first I was completely negative on the pick, I've started to come around. I think it's a good outside the box pick. Love Interest: Helen of Troy The face that launched 1,000 ships takes the cake here, with Guinevere as a very close second. This category was stronger than I anticipated, with all the choices being fairly inspired. The only super notable omission I can think of is Juliette. Sidekick: Silver Surfer Great pick as a sidekick, because technically he works in that category and is pretty much amazing. This was a fun category, and there were many great picks. I especially liked Chewbacca, Dr. Watson, Friday and Harley Quinn - I never would have thought to use Sidekick as the non-love interest female, and she works perfectly for the all-bad guy team. I think one of the biggest mistakes of the whole draft was no one taking Kato. Base/Hideout: The Death Star Another fantastically strong category with many contenders for "best of." The TARDIS, Enterprise, Batcave and and Mt. Olympus were great as well. I think The Hall of Justice, Avenger's Mansion, The Helicarrier and Xavier's School for the Gifted would have been great choices, but I'm pretty sure most of them were nixed by prior picks. Best Single Pick: 6.4 Professor James Moriarty Honorable mention: 5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk 7.8 Paul Muad'dib Atreides 7.1 Han Solo 8.7 Gordon Freeman 7.2 The Batcave Biggest Whiff: No one picking Kato Lots of fun to follow, wish I had more time during the week it would have been a fun one to participate in.

06-11-2012, 06:34 AM	#25
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	1.6 The One Above All, Leader, Comic Book (Writer - Steve Englehart, Artist - Gene Colan) This is what happens when you get a random idea at work instead of sticking with preparation. It dawned on me that there were going to be a lot of comic book characters in these picks, so the god-creator of the Marvel universe seemed like a fun choice. A hands off, celestial being. A reach in the first round no doubt, and I realized afterwards that this character being relatively unknown would hurt me. Still, I'm happy with this character as my leader. 2.3 Silver Surfer, Sidekick, 20th Century (Jack Kirby) Fairly self-explanatory. Granted, he isn't much of a hero once he starts doing Galactus' bidding, but he's quite the powerful sidekick. 3.6 Hercules, Muscle, Mythology/Folkore (Unknown) Was thrilled to get Hercules. Aside from Hulk he was who I had in mind for this category. 4.3 Leonardo da Vinci, Science/Gadgets, Pre-19th Century (Real) A man of many talents, inventions, and ideas. Though there were some good modern picks around, I felt da Vinci epitomized the spirit of this category. 5.6 Tyler Durden, Scrapper, Literary (Chuck Palahniuk) I'm fairly surprised no one took Sarah Connor here, and later kind of wished that I had, but Tyler Durden is a Scrapper through and through. 6.3 Brock Samson, Protector, 21st Century (Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer) Not only would Brock have been a great muscle pick, he's literally a protector in the sense that he is a bodyguard. Plus he's voiced by Patrick Warburton, so he has that going for him. 7.6 Charlene 'Charlie' McGee, Firepower, Female (Stephen King) I was struggling with the way to go in this category. Someone who is good with guns? Who can blow things up? In the end, I went with pyrokinetics, which to me is pretty much the definition of "fire" and "power". 8.3 Genie of the Lamp, Magic, Film (Eric Goldberg and Robin Williams) I often forget how powerful the Genie is. He may be a slave to start off, but he do (almost) anything. And he can provide the rest of the heroes with some comic relief. 9.6 Jessica Rabbit, Love Interest, Animated (Gary K. Wolf) "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way." 10.3 Moby Dick, Arch Nemesis, 19th Century (Herman Melville) This was actually one of my favorite picks. In the sense of literal combat, a whale isn't going to stand up to many of the heroes, but Moby Dick is much more than a literal arch nemesis. I made this pick for the figurative sense, in that everyone on my team would be fighting their own Moby Dick. 11.6 High Hrothgar, Base/Hideout, Video Game (Bethesda Game Studios) This was a tough category. In the end, I'm cool with my heroes chilling out on the top of a mountain in a castle/monastery. 12.3 Columbo, Investigator, TV (Richard Levinson and William Link) "One more thing..."

06-11-2012, 11:20 AM	#26
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	This is tough, wow. Some really good teams and picks.

06-11-2012, 11:29 AM	#27
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	#3 Danny with a solid set, edging out Hoops: Harry Potter, Rocky, Beowulf, Dr. Watson, Lois Lane. #2 Chief Rum with a star lineup of BAtman, Gandalf, Achilles, Captain Kirk, Mount Olympus and Han Solo. At #1, Deacon knocks it out of the park with Merlin, Robin Hood, Wonder Woman, TARDIS, Zeus, Moriarty, Mary Jane, Popeye, Friday, Hercule Poirot. Very, very strong all around. Only two picks I didn't highlight, probably just because I'm not familiar with the characters. 1. NTNDeacon 2. Chief Rum 3. Danny

06-11-2012, 11:51 AM	#28
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	1. chief rum 2. oykib 3. deacon A lot of very good picks by all of the teams but it seemed only chiefs really fit together for some reason. I will say I wasnt at all impressed with your investigator chief Leader 5.1 Capt. James Tiberius Kirk, Leader, TV (Gene Roddenberry) Muscle 3.6 Hercules, Muscle, Mythology/Folkore (Unknown) Scrapper 7.1 Han Solo-- Scrapper, Film (George Lucas) Magic 1.5 Merlin Magic, Pre- 19th Century Creator(Geoffry of Monmouth) Science/Gadgets 1.1 Batman --Science/Gadgets, Comic Book (Bob Kane--artist, Bill Kane--writer) and 4.3 Leonardo da Vinci, Science/Gadgets, Pre-19th Century (Real) - Sorry I couldnt decide between them two. DaVinci had great value where he was picked but its Batman hes up against. Investigator 2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) Firepower 4.2 Al Capone, Firepower, 19th Century (Real) Protector 1.2 Superman, Protector, 20th Century (Jerry Siegel) Arch Nemesis 6.4 Professor James Moriarty Arch nemesis, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) Love Interest (will not be a fighting member of the team) 8.6 Lois Lane, Love Interest, Comic (Jerry Siegel) Sidekick 7.3 Dr. Watson, Sidekick, 19th century (Doyle) Base/Hideout 3.7 The Death Star, Base/Hideout, Film (George Lucas) Ill try to make some comments later. Last edited by jbergey22 : 06-11-2012 at 11:58 AM.

06-11-2012, 12:39 PM	#29
nZane n00b Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: E-Ville, IN	Ranked all of the categories (with bonus points for value picks) and came up with the following: 1) Grover 2) Danny 3) Hoopsguy And the all stars: Leader: Jesus of Nazareth Muscle: Hercules Scrapper: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Magic: Gandalf Scient/Gadgets: Batman Investigator: Sherlock Holmes Firepower: Mega Man Protector: Superman Arch Nemesis: James Bond Love Interest: Lois Lane Sidekick: Chewbacca Base/Hideout: The Death Star Great job all around! I thoroughly enjoyed following along; enough so that I decided to pop out of my lurking shell for a bit. Last edited by nZane : 06-11-2012 at 12:40 PM.

06-11-2012, 04:40 PM	#30
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I think my first round pick is going to result in me being the only team without a vote. I look forwards to doing more of these kind of drafts in the future though.

06-11-2012, 04:54 PM	#31
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Jesus. I have two people in a dead tie for 1st even scoring it in various ways.

06-11-2012, 06:57 PM	#34
rockboy70 Mascot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: H-Town	All Stars: Leader- Muad’Dib Muscle - Hulk Scrapper - Goku Magic - Gandalf Sci/Gadgets - The Doctor Investigator - Holmes Firepower - Master Chief Protector - Green Lantern Nemesis - Moriarty Love Interest - Lois Lane Sidekick - Silver Surfer Base - Tardis Vote: 1st - oykib 2nd - ntndeacon 3rd - Chief Rum

06-11-2012, 09:51 PM	#36
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I guess I'm a little late with this. I think that everyone seemed to have a different idea when it came to drafting. I was basically looking for a team that could accomplish some of the top missions of the JLA or the Avengers. In the first round, I had the last pick. I basically had to just wait and see what category wasn't taken. When I saw that Scrapper was untouched, I thought I couldn't be luckier. 1.8 Son Goku, Scrapper, Animated (Akira Toriyama/Bandai) With Goku I got the most powerful Scrapper I could think of. The best part is that he's more popular as an anime character than as a comic book character. I wanted to save the comic book pick for its versatility. The most powerful characters in just about every category were 20th Century comic book characters. I can picture Goku going toe-to-toe with anyone. 2.1 Sherlock Holmes, Investigator, 19th century (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) Sherlock Holmes was an easy pick. I got rid of the troublesome 19th Century category. Plus, he was always my pick as the top pure investigator. Batman's a better character overall because of his science, scrapper and leader qualifications. But I got enough from Goku, who's also sharp as firepower, protector or muscle that I thought the team could stand a few strong one or two-note picks. 3.8 The Doctor, Science/Gadgets, Television (Sydney Newman, C. E. Webber and Donald Wilson/BBC) The Doctor worked in the same vein as Holmes. TV was a category that I thought would give trouble if it wasn't picked early. There were no real magic or firepower picks that could stand up to comic book level threats for example.The Doctor never encounters Science or gadgets that he can't co-opt in his show. He's also a fair Investigator and solid Leader. 4.1 The Hulk, Muscle, 20th Century (Stan Lee and Jack Kirby) After my initial pick of Thor turned out to be invalid, The Hulk was an easy choice. I had some ideas for a protector that I thought no one would take. So Muscle was the category that needed filling most. The Hulk's not losing out to anyone in that category. I still wanted to save comic book for later, so it didn't bother me that I had to use Stan and Jack in the 20th Century category here. 5.8 Kratos, Arch Nemesis, 21st Century (Sony Computer Entertainment) Kratos worked for me hare because I pictured him as an anti-hero that could put aside his grievances and do the noble thing when required. However, he also works as an interesting antagonist in a normal story. 6.1 Supergirl, Sidekick, Female (Otto Binder and Al Pastino) The early Silver Surfer pick got me thinking a bit broader in terms of Sidekick. Supergirl, in most of her incarnations, starts the story as Superman's sidekick. She spent three years as his sidekick in her initial run. You can't go wrong having a Kryptonian on the team. The Sidekick category was a trap to me. Except for a stretch where the Avengers had Rick Jones and the JLA had Snapper Carr, the premier super teams generally do without one. They are usually too vulnerable and lack enough competence to make as them useful as they are in solo books. 7.8 Paul Muad'Dib Atreides, Leader, Literary (Frank Herbert) This was a pick that I had been saving for a while. I finally pulled the trigger because I didn't want to risk waiting any longer. The Leader category was the most important one to me. There are plenty of good leader characters in books. But there are few as good as Paul Atreides that also have superpowers. Most of the good leaders for this type of exercise were in the comic book category. Batman, Captain America and Cyclops would have been my top choices. But they were all going to be unavailable where I was picking. Atreides was probably my top value pick in the draft. 8.1 Revan, Magic, Video Game (Casey Hudson/LucasArts) This was the only pick where I went with a character that I just liked so much that I had to have him on the team. I aslo find most wizards to be boring. They're all second-rate Merlins. The force is essentially magic/spiritual power. Plus, Revan's a guy that doesn't need to sit in the back and be protected. He could protect himself from half the Scrappers taken in this draft and still do some work with ESP and psychokinesis. 9.8 Apollo, Firepower, Mythology (unknown) The fact that Apollo was still here in the ninth round kind of shocked me. It was between him and Rama for this category. But I thought his skill set fit the team better. I also didn't want to pick anyone that most people didn't know. The top super teams always have an archer. It doesn't hurt to have the god of archery on the squad. He's probably the second or third best Greek god available, and he's one of the few of those gods that I thought wasn't a total dick. Most of the other ones I could think of would totally ruin a team. My squad also didn't have a healer yet. Apollo's the god of medicine. He's also the god of prophecy in addition to his headline ability of being the sun god. That rounded out my squad with three characters who might get an edge in any mission because of a gift for clairvoyance (Revan, Paul Atreides and Apollo). How many times has that helped a team Spider-Man was on? 10.1 Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Protector, Comic Book (John Broome and Gil Kane) I finally pulled the trigger on a comic book character here. I like having a character with a force field. I also thought that I could use another flier on the team. With Green Lantern I get a character that can carry the non-fliers around and also protects them from both attack and hostile environment. He's a heavy-hitter as well and brings a fair amount of firepower. Hal Jordan's skillset includes the fact that even without his ring he's one of the best pilots you can find. 11.8 N.S.E.A. Protector, Base/Hideout, Film (David Howard, Robert Gordon and Dean Parisot) I didn't want to throw away a pick on an immobile base of operations. I started thinking about what would be good, but my number one ship was already taken. Then, I remembered Galaxy Quest. What could be better than a bootleg Enterprise that can be operated by a skeleton crew of has-been actors. I still get a ship that can get my squad wherever it needs to be and has enough firepower to not get destroyed as soon as the crap goes down. I don't have to tie down my gadget guys to make it effective either. 12.1 Cleopatra, Love Interest, Pre-19th Century (Real) Cleopatra was about the best love interest I could come up with. If I have to be burdened with a semi-useless slot, I wanted to pick someone that was worth the inevitable aggravation she'd bring the squad.

06-14-2012, 10:27 AM	#37
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	bump __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

06-16-2012, 03:27 PM	#38
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	bumping one last time. I'll close voting off at midnight and post the results. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

06-16-2012, 03:54 PM	#39
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	This was definitely a cool idea. 1. Danny's Dashing Defenders - Round after round, reading his team made me just say "Damn, this is a good team." 2. wade moore - Loved his idea, and I somehow see Q giving Bond a gadget that would blow the Death Star up. 3. oykib - The key for me was Holmes and the Doctor, two excellent picks at their perspective spots. Also liked the Revan pick a lot. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

06-17-2012, 01:54 PM	#41
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	And here's the All-Star team Leader: Capt. James Tiberius Kirk (6 of 8) Muscle: Hercules (5 of 8) Scrapper: Son Goku, Buffy Summers, and Han Solo (2 of 8 each) Magic: Gandalf (5 of 8) Science/Gadgets: Batman (6 of 8) Investigator: Sherlock Holmes (8 of 8) Firepower: Mega Man and Apollo (2 of 8 each) Protector: Superman (7 of 8) Arch Nemesis: Professor James Moriarty (5 of 8) Love Interest: Lois Lane (4 of 8) Base/Hideout: The Death Star (3 of 8) Honorable Mention: The Hulk (lost a close 5-3 battle with Hercules) __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner Last edited by larrymcg421 : 06-17-2012 at 01:55 PM.

06-17-2012, 05:24 PM	#42
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Wow, awesome! Thanks for all the votes, everyone! This was a lot of fun. Thanks for running this, larry. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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