Carmelo Anthony

Marmel · 04-24-2003, 11:44 AM

According to my sources, Carmelo Anthony is going to declare for the draft at 2pm today.

Not much of a surprise, but you heard it here first!

IMetTrentGreen · 04-24-2003, 12:05 PM

looks like tj is gone too

JeeberD · 04-24-2003, 12:07 PM

I'm sad on both accounts...

Marmel · 04-24-2003, 12:11 PM

Carmelo improved so much in the sense that he now knows what it takes to play basketball at such a high level. It would be so great to see him play one more year with the experience under his belt and 1 more year of maturation.

But, I cannot blame him in the least for bolting to the NBA. He brought a title to syracuse, what more could a fan ask for.

As for TJ, again, it would be great to see him return and see if he could take Texas to that next level. Oh well.

I'll probably never see these two kids play another entire basketball game again. I just cannot watch an NBA game.

Arles · 04-24-2003, 12:12 PM

But, in all honesty, if you are essentially assured that you are a top 3 pick (Anthony) or a lottery pick (Ford), why would you come back for a year and risk injury?

As much as I would love to see the top players stay in school (imagine Arizona last season if Gilbert Arenas had stayed

), I also tend to take a practical view of this. If you are a guaranteed lottery or mid first round pick and leave early, you get your first contract (3-4 years) when you are 20 to 21 years old. That puts you in a great situation to get atleast two more big money deals (24-25 and 31-32). Compare that with a guy that stays all four years and gets his first deal as a 24-year old. He will be 27-28 when that deal ends, so the odds that he gets two more big-money contracts is pretty low.

Arlie

Marmel · 04-24-2003, 12:15 PM

Arlie, no doubt about what you are saying, but as a Syracuse fan myself, we were holding out some hope based on a few facts:

1) Carmelo was a lottery pick out of high school but passed that up

2) He is still only 18 years old, so if he waited 1 more year, he would only be 19 entering the draft, again as a top 2 or 3 pick.

3) Michael Jordan told Carmelo to stay one more year, basically because the bulk of Nike money is going to go to Lebron this year, and if Carmelo comes out next year, the bulk would go to him.

4) His mother wanted him to return, and he said a few times he wanted to return, but would have to think about it.

His was a unique situation, which is why there was some hope he would stay.

Anrhydeddu · 04-24-2003, 12:19 PM

Quote:

what more could a fan ask for.

Another title instead of playing selfish ball for a team that no one cares about like the Nuggets?

Arles · 04-24-2003, 12:21 PM

A great comparison for Anthony is Stephon Marbury (both would leave after their freshman seasons). He got a high draft pick contract (3-years) with Minnesota. Then, he left for a big deal with New Jersey and has set himself up for another huge contract from Phoenix when his current deal ends after next season. If he would have stayed, he might have cost himself one of those big contracts.

Carmelo won the title, what else is there for him to accomplish? It's not like he's going to stay 4 years and graduate, so the mother comment doesn't mean much. If he goes pro, Nike, Addidas, or some other big Shoe company will throw millions at him, regardless of when he leaves.

And, if he's going to be the No. 2 or 3 pick now (as the consensus is), why go back for another year? He could risk not only injury, but the chance of putting up worse numbers as teams gameplan primarily for him after his huge successful season. If you are honest and impartial, I can't see any reason to tell Carmelo to stay in school another year.

Arlie

TroyF · 04-24-2003, 12:31 PM

Have any of you read the comments by Mike Dunleavey Jr.? He basicly said that coming out was the best decision he could have made. He said the NBA was a completely different world than college ball and the only thing he could have accomplished the next season at Duke would be to pick up more habits he would have to later change.

If you have the talent for it, you need to go to the NBA. There is very little reason financially or career wise which makes sense to stay. The only reason I can think of would be a maturity factor, something both Melo and TJ already have.

TroyF

bbor · 04-24-2003, 12:51 PM

TJ will be a horrible pro..IMHO...you heard it here first

JeeberD · 04-24-2003, 01:03 PM

I don't think he'll be terrible, but it will take him some time to adjust and to develop a jumper. He won't be a star, but I think he could be a decent starter/good backup PG.

TroyF · 04-24-2003, 02:18 PM

I think TJ will be fine. I think he's kind of like AI in the fact he's so fast, he'll cause problems regardless of the other factors in his game. Still, you would like to see him be about 3 inches taller. . .

TroyF

bamcgee · 04-24-2003, 02:22 PM

I agree.

he's a gifted passer and strong leader with some quickness, but otherwise he's a below-average height point guard with little range on his jumper. Average defender who will likely get abused by bigger, stronger guards like Payton, at least at the start.

MrBug708 · 04-24-2003, 03:36 PM

I always thought the purpose of college was to make sure it prepares you for career in life. Seems Carmello proved what he needed to do and will get a contract. Thus, he took full advantage of college

k0ruptr · 04-24-2003, 04:56 PM

TJ, reminds me a bit of jamaal tinsley... not a great jumper, but can throw some great passes... should be a fine pro.

04-24-2003, 12:07 PM	#3
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I'm sad on both accounts... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

04-24-2003, 12:11 PM	#4
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	Carmelo improved so much in the sense that he now knows what it takes to play basketball at such a high level. It would be so great to see him play one more year with the experience under his belt and 1 more year of maturation. But, I cannot blame him in the least for bolting to the NBA. He brought a title to syracuse, what more could a fan ask for. As for TJ, again, it would be great to see him return and see if he could take Texas to that next level. Oh well. I'll probably never see these two kids play another entire basketball game again. I just cannot watch an NBA game. __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

04-24-2003, 12:12 PM	#5
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	But, in all honesty, if you are essentially assured that you are a top 3 pick (Anthony) or a lottery pick (Ford), why would you come back for a year and risk injury? As much as I would love to see the top players stay in school (imagine Arizona last season if Gilbert Arenas had stayed ), I also tend to take a practical view of this. If you are a guaranteed lottery or mid first round pick and leave early, you get your first contract (3-4 years) when you are 20 to 21 years old. That puts you in a great situation to get atleast two more big money deals (24-25 and 31-32). Compare that with a guy that stays all four years and gets his first deal as a 24-year old. He will be 27-28 when that deal ends, so the odds that he gets two more big-money contracts is pretty low. Arlie __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 04-24-2003 at 12:13 PM.

04-24-2003, 12:15 PM	#6
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	Arlie, no doubt about what you are saying, but as a Syracuse fan myself, we were holding out some hope based on a few facts: 1) Carmelo was a lottery pick out of high school but passed that up 2) He is still only 18 years old, so if he waited 1 more year, he would only be 19 entering the draft, again as a top 2 or 3 pick. 3) Michael Jordan told Carmelo to stay one more year, basically because the bulk of Nike money is going to go to Lebron this year, and if Carmelo comes out next year, the bulk would go to him. 4) His mother wanted him to return, and he said a few times he wanted to return, but would have to think about it. His was a unique situation, which is why there was some hope he would stay. __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

04-24-2003, 12:21 PM	#8
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	A great comparison for Anthony is Stephon Marbury (both would leave after their freshman seasons). He got a high draft pick contract (3-years) with Minnesota. Then, he left for a big deal with New Jersey and has set himself up for another huge contract from Phoenix when his current deal ends after next season. If he would have stayed, he might have cost himself one of those big contracts. Carmelo won the title, what else is there for him to accomplish? It's not like he's going to stay 4 years and graduate, so the mother comment doesn't mean much. If he goes pro, Nike, Addidas, or some other big Shoe company will throw millions at him, regardless of when he leaves. And, if he's going to be the No. 2 or 3 pick now (as the consensus is), why go back for another year? He could risk not only injury, but the chance of putting up worse numbers as teams gameplan primarily for him after his huge successful season. If you are honest and impartial, I can't see any reason to tell Carmelo to stay in school another year. Arlie __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

04-24-2003, 12:05 PM	#2
IMetTrentGreen College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, Texas	looks like tj is gone too

04-24-2003, 12:31 PM	#9
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Have any of you read the comments by Mike Dunleavey Jr.? He basicly said that coming out was the best decision he could have made. He said the NBA was a completely different world than college ball and the only thing he could have accomplished the next season at Duke would be to pick up more habits he would have to later change. If you have the talent for it, you need to go to the NBA. There is very little reason financially or career wise which makes sense to stay. The only reason I can think of would be a maturity factor, something both Melo and TJ already have. TroyF

04-24-2003, 12:51 PM	#10
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	TJ will be a horrible pro..IMHO...you heard it here first __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

04-24-2003, 01:03 PM	#11
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I don't think he'll be terrible, but it will take him some time to adjust and to develop a jumper. He won't be a star, but I think he could be a decent starter/good backup PG. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

04-24-2003, 02:18 PM	#12
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I think TJ will be fine. I think he's kind of like AI in the fact he's so fast, he'll cause problems regardless of the other factors in his game. Still, you would like to see him be about 3 inches taller. . . TroyF

04-24-2003, 02:22 PM	#13
bamcgee High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Francisco, CA	I agree. he's a gifted passer and strong leader with some quickness, but otherwise he's a below-average height point guard with little range on his jumper. Average defender who will likely get abused by bigger, stronger guards like Payton, at least at the start. Last edited by bamcgee : 04-24-2003 at 02:23 PM.

04-24-2003, 03:36 PM	#14
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I always thought the purpose of college was to make sure it prepares you for career in life. Seems Carmello proved what he needed to do and will get a contract. Thus, he took full advantage of college

04-24-2003, 04:56 PM	#15
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	TJ, reminds me a bit of jamaal tinsley... not a great jumper, but can throw some great passes... should be a fine pro.

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