The Officialish FOFC Cup III format voting booth

[HornedFrog Purple]

Ok, the absolute final number of teams is 78. So here are the choices for the format:


Option 1:

13 groups X 6 per group = 5 games = 5 weeks

Winner of each group(13) + top-3 second place finishers(3) go to single-elimination 16 team tournament = 4 weeks
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Total = 9 weeks



Option 2:

13 groups X 6 per group = 5 games = 5 weeks

Winner of each group(13) + 2nd place in each group(13) + 6 top 3rd place finishers(6) go to single elimination 32-team tournament = 5 weeks
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Total:= 10 weeks


What this really amounts to is how many teams you all want to advance to single-elimination between 16 teams and 32. The difference is one week of play.

The tiebreakers for 2nd and 3rd place (if need be) qualifiers are as follows:

1. Total points. 3 for win, 1 for tie (like in hattrick)
2. Goal differential
3. Total offensive goals
4. Offensive road goals (I hope it doesn't come down to this hehehe)
5. Beats me... bribes a possibility


So anyways vote on what you guys want!

[Brillig]

I don't think you can use offensive road goals as a tie-breaker, HFP - not when the number of road games per team is different. Maybe after #3 we should just use the original seeding as a tie-breaker. Or a coin toss?

[dacman]

Possible tie-breakers:

1- Head-to-head (works well within a group!)
1- Goal difference
2- Goals scored
3- Higher seed

[dacman]

Dola....11 groups of 7 would've worked better schedule-wise. Everyone would've had 3 home and 3 away games in group play. Ah well.

Higher seeds should get 3 home/2 away with the exception that we should probably guarantee our foriegn entrants 3 home games. Higher seed hosts in elimination rounds???

If option 1 wins, maybe we could do a 2-leg final?

Just some ideas.

edit: Also, we should start no later than Hattrick date May 6/7 games.

[FrogMan]

Gotta say that what dacman says makes a lot of sense, if we want to have 3 home/3 away...

HornedFrog: I volunteer to help out in stats keeping. I have already set up some sort of excel spreadsheet that could be used to easily make a webpage. I could also host a cup page on my webspace. I will PM you in a few...

FrogMan

[DataKing]

Just an FYI, for those who may not have thought of this...

The Hattrick season, including off-season, is 16 weeks long. So the 10 week option works so long as no one advances beyond round 6 of their national cup.

I voted for Option 2. The more the merrier.

[HornedFrog Purple]

I don't think you can use offensive road goals as a tie-breaker, HFP - not when the number of road games per team is different. Maybe after #3 we should just use the original seeding as a tie-breaker. Or a coin toss?

Understood. Original seeding would probably be better, then a coin toss.

Possible tie-breakers:

1- Head-to-head (works well within a group!)
1- Goal difference
2- Goals scored
3- Higher seed

Head-to-Head is fine if its determining 2nd and 3rd place within a group, but if it is 3 3rd place teams competing for one spot to advance it does not come into play.

Dola....11 groups of 7 would've worked better schedule-wise. Everyone would've had 3 home and 3 away games in group play. Ah well.

Higher seeds should get 3 home/2 away with the exception that we should probably guarantee our foriegn entrants 3 home games. Higher seed hosts in elimination rounds???

If option 1 wins, maybe we could do a 2-leg final?

That is possibly true, but it adds 1 more week to either option, I would have to kick myself out again for the third time as we have 78 teams not 77.

That said if everyone getting an equal amount of home games is a concern, I could add a crossover game between each group (Group A vs Group B, Group C vs Group D etc.) where 3 hosts 6, 4 hosts 2, 5 hosts 1. That would give everyone 3 home/away. That would also add a week to the proceedings.

[Brillig]

Actually, groups of 7 is kind of difficult, as you need a 7 week schedule to work out all the games - that'd add 2 weeks to the tourney.

[dacman]

Originally posted by Brillig
Actually, groups of 7 is kind of difficult, as you need a 7 week schedule to work out all the games - that'd add 2 weeks to the tourney.

Right -- that is the drawback -- plus having a bye week in there. If you went this route, 16 teams advancing to elimination rounds is probably a must.