WSOP Pool 2010 - Main Event Thread

[larrymcg421]

Here's the scoreboard with everyone's picks listed. I'll delete them as they get eliminated from the Main Event, making it easier to track what chances everyone has remaining.

jbergey22 - 2508.629

Michael Mizrachi(No Bracelet)

Quiksand - 2053.713

rockboy70 - 2004.123

larrymcg421 - 1959.707

kingfc22 - 1725.439

MollyMurphy - 1558.743

Subby - 1405.526

TroyF - 1249.785

Lathum - 1053.168

albionmoonlight - 1003.928

cuervo72 - 964.044

digamma - 702.031

Theo Tran
Eric Baldwin

MIJB19 - 639.583

[CleBrownsfan]

When does the Main Event start?

[QuikSand]

Event #57: No-Limit Hold'em Championship
Structure Sheet
July 5,2010 12:00 PM Day 1A
July 6,2010 12:00 PM Day 1B
July 7,2010 12:00 PM Day 1C
July 8,2010 12:00 PM Day 1D
July 9,2010 12:00 PM Day 2A
July 10,2010 12:00 PM Day 2B
July 12,2010 12:00 PM Day 3
July 13,2010 12:00 PM Day 4
July 14,2010 12:00 PM Day 5
July 15,2010 12:00 PM Day 6
July 16,2010 12:00 PM Day 7 (play down to 27 players)
July 17,2010 12:00 PM Day 8 (play down to 9 players)
November,2010 TBD FINAL TABLE

[jbergey22]

I think finishing the Main Event 4.5 months after it starts is ridiculous.

[larrymcg421]

Raymer is already out.

I also noticed Jeff Sarwer has been playing several events this year. He's the real life version of the villain kid from Searching For Bobby Fischer.

[larrymcg421]

Chip counts for picked players...

Michael Mizrachi 142,650
Ted Forrest 6,000

Other notables

Chris Moneymaker 107,425
John Hennigan 61,000
Vince Van Patten 56,700
David Grey 54,000
Dewey Tomko 51,000
Matt Matros 50,000
Dutch Boyd 44,000
Miami John Cernuto 41,000
Beth Shak 38,000
Ted "I have a straight" Lawson 27,000
Lee Watkinson 21,000
David Alan Grier 6,000
Andy Black OUT
Mike Caro OUT
Ray Romano OUT
Greg Raymer OUT
TJ Cloutier OUT

So far I haven't noticed any picked players being eliminated. Mizrachi and Forrest are the only ones I see in the chip count list, although I did check a couple times to make sure no one had picked David Alan Grier.

[larrymcg421]

Happy to see Moneymaker off to a good start. Rooting for him as always.

[larrymcg421]

Eliminations on Day 1B

Picked players...

Joe Sebok
Justin Bonomo
Bertrany Elky Grosspellier


Other notables....

Erick Lindgren
John D' Agostino
Jennifer Tilly
Jamie Gold
Dan Shak

[SirFozzie]

Apparently they called a player today on a little known rule. If you have the absolute best hand on the river (say, QKc on a board of 9TJ all clubs), and you are the last to act, you CANNOT check.

Doing so is evidence of soft play/collusion. I bet it doesn't happen that often, but it happened today during the main event, and the player (who checked because he wanted to show everyone the straight flush he had), was penalized and had to sit out a round of hands.

[larrymcg421]

I remember when Chad Brown checked down the nuts (quads on board and he had an Ace) in a Heads Up Championship Match against Kristy Gazes. It was especially bad because she had misread her hand and would have called whatever he put out there. There's nothing easier to do in poker than betting the nuts in position on the river.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Doing so is evidence of soft play/collusion. I bet it doesn't happen that often, but it happened today during the main event, and the player (who checked because he wanted to show everyone the straight flush he had), was penalized and had to sit out a round of hands.

Ouch. Did he still win the hand?

[larrymcg421]

I've made some updates here, but I'm sure there are more eliminations that I just haven't seen reported. I'll do some more checking tonight.

[larrymcg421]

Day 2A chip counts

Picked players

Johnny Chan - 178,000
Annie Duke - 96,000
David Williams - 83,000
Scotty Nguyen - 80,000
Lex Veldhuis - 78,000
Daniel Negreanu - 66,800
Theo Tran - 65,090
Eric Baldwin - 60,000
Erik Seidel - 42,000
Heather Sue Mercer - 28,000
Greg Mueller - 23,000
Brock Parker - 18,000
Carlos Mortensen - 17,800
Kathy Liebert - 15,000
Ted Forrest - OUT


Other notables

Sam Farha - 205,000
Hoyt Corkins - 140,000
David Ulliott - 87,000
Chris Moneymaker - 83,000
Antonio Esfandiari - 73,000
John Hennigan - 58,000
Dennis Phillips - 30,000
Eli Elezra - 24,000
Leo Margets - 24,000
Gabe Kaplan - 21,000
Dutch Boyd - OUT
James Akenhead - OUT
David Allen Grier - OUT
Mike Sexton - OUT

[cuervo72]

Hey now, David Williams is on two lists.

[digamma]

A friend who made a deep run last year (finished like 141st) was eliminated today by Eli Elezra.

[larrymcg421]

Fixed the David Williams mistake and added Lex Veldhuis and Greg Mueller to thie chip counts.

Ted Forrest is out.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Ouch. Did he still win the hand?

Yeah, he still won the hand, and was cool with it, he was laughing that he checked a straight flush.

[larrymcg421]

Phil Ivey is out.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Day 2A chip counts

Picked players

You missed my pick of Fatima Moreira de Melo.
Not like it matters, she got eliminated.

[SirFozzie]

Another interesting incident last night:

Two players left in the hand, one bets enough to put the second player all-in if he calls, the second takes several minutes to decide whether to call. Finally, the clock is called, and the floor person comes over and starts the 60 second countdown.

With three seconds left on the countdown, the second player says "call". The dealer hears it, the other players at the table hear it.... however... the floor person does NOT hear it. He finishes the countdown and declares the second player's hand dead. Queue up the controversy.

As it turns out, it saved that second player's WSOP tournament. He was beaten, so he saved some of his chips (although, if I was the first player I would gently suggest that the floor person listen harder next time, or invest in a hearing aid)

[larrymcg421]

Updated the rosters. Here are the chip counts....


Picked players:

Johnny Chan - 281,600
Vanessa Selbst - 265,000
Patrik Antonious - 258,600
Yevgeny Timoshenko - 240,000
Michael Mizrachi - 217,200
Jason Mercier - 186,300
Annie Duke - 176,600
David Beyamine - 173,000
Allen Cunningham - 156,000
Vanessa Rousso - 140,000
Kathy Liebert - 87,000
Barry Greenstein - 71,000
Scotty Nguyen - 67,800
Theo Tran - 59,000
Scott Seiver - 51,200
Jennifer Harman - 35,000
Erik Seidel - 32,300
Eric Baldwin - 32,000
Daniel Negreanu - 27,900


Other notables:

Sammy Farha - 226,500
Phil Galfond - 203,000
Billy "Meltdown" Kopp - 198,300
Matt Matros - 190,400
Vincent Van Patten - 174,200
Robert Varkonyi - 160,000
Kenny Tran - 140,000
Humberto Brenes - 134,000
Hoyt Corkins - 122,400
Joe Cada - 122,400
Hank Azaria - 110,000
Chris Moneymaker - 104,000
Evelyn Ng - 99,300
Jason Lester - 93,500
David Chiu - 92,000
Owen Crowe - 89,000
Jean-Robert Bellande - 78,000
Shawn Sheikhan - 78,000
David Ulliott - 70,000
Gavin Smith - 70,000
Prahlad Freidman - 50,000
Gabe Kaplan - 22,700
Phil Laak - 15,000

[k0ruptr]

really cool to see Chan doing well. Love the position that "The Grinder" is in too

[larrymcg421]

So, Johnny Chan Is Basically Crushing This Thing
On the flop of , Johnny Chan bet 4,500 and was called in two spots. The turn brought the and Chan checked. His two opponents also checked behind him.
The river completed the board with the . Chan fired a bet of 7,700. The first player called and then the next player called before Chan tabled the for trip eights. His opponents both mucked and Chan moved to a whopping, field-leading 425,000 in chips.

[larrymcg421]

Scott Seiver, Matt Hawrilenko, Phil Laak, and Lex Veldhuis all gone early in day 3.

[larrymcg421]

Ouch. It's gotta suck to be Billy Kopp. Last year ran into higher flush when he was assured a final table spot. And now this...

Kopp Coolered, Runs Second Nuts into Nuts
After a series of preflop raises, Billy "Patrolman35" Kopp and Nicolas Babel took a flop of [8s 8d 4c. They both checked.
Fireworks exploded after the turned. Kopp checked-raised Babel all in, and Babel snapped it off with the stone cold nuts.
Showdown
Kopp: [as ah
Babel: [8c 8h
Kopp needed the case ace to survive, but found no help from the on the river. Kopp hit the rail while Babel ballooned to 500,000 chips.

[larrymcg421]

Negreanu is out.

[larrymcg421]

Barry Greenstein, Vanessa Rousso, and David Williams also out. They're dropping like flies.

[CleBrownsfan]

Yikes - Kopp's exit was so sick. I couldn't imagine losing that way in the main event... I thought that shit only happens online

[larrymcg421]

Barry Greenstein, Annie Duke, and Kathy Liebert were all eliminated before the bubble. We're getting close, so all the remaining players have a good chance to score points


Remaining picked players:

Johnny Chan - 753,000
David Benyamine - 680,000
Eric Baldwin - 435,000
Vanessa Selbst - 351,000
Jason Mercier - 325,000
Scotty Nguyen - 285,000
Allen Cunningham - 200,000
Michael Mizrachi - 190,000
Theo Tran - 70,000

Other notables:

Matt Affleck - 1,109,000
Jean Robert Bellande - 705,000
Phil Galfond - 640,000
Hoyt Corkins - 580,000
Matt Matros - 505,000
Patrik Antonius - 330,000
Sammy Farha - 310,000
David Chiu - 245,000
Robert Mizrachi - 220,000
Vince Van Patten - 210,000
Jason Lester - 195,000
Dan Harrington - 150,000
Humberto Brenes - 120,000
Donny Mizrachi - 115,000
Eric Mizrachi - 53,000

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Yikes - Kopp's exit was so sick. I couldn't imagine losing that way in the main event... I thought that shit only happens online

how did he go out? I must have missed it glossing through the updates.

[larrymcg421]

Remaining Scenarios

jbergey22 - Just needs to maintain lead. Rooting for everyone but Michael Mizrachi to take a quick dive. Especially rooting against Jason Mercier, Scotty Nguyen, and Allen Cunningham who are taken by his closest competitors.

Quiksand - Needs Jason Mercier to finish in the top 15 (but not win) and for Michael Mizrachi to get eliminated quickly.

rockboy70 - Needs Scotty Nguyen to finish in the top 12 and needs to dodge points from Allen Cunningham and Michael Mizrachi.

larrymcg421 - Needs Allen Cunningham to cash for at least $50,000 or he cannot pass rockboy. If he does make it that far, then a combination of good scorres from Cunningham and Nguyen could do it.

kingfc22 - Cannot win, since Jason Mercier is picked by Quiksand.

MollyMurphy - The previous champ cannot win since Scotty Nguyen is picked by rockboy and larrymcg.

Subby - Has no players left in the main event.

TroyF - Needs Selbst to cash for at least $720,000 to pass larrymcg, who also has Cunningham. If that happens, then a combination of those two could do the trick.

Lathum - Needs Jason Mercier to win the whole thing.

albionmoonlight - Eliminated because Scotty Nguyen is picked above.

cuervo72 - Eliminated because Selbst is picked above.

digamma - With 4 players left and only one of them picked by someone ahead, Digamma has the most dangerous roster left. He still needs them to score a ton of points or for. Timoshenko as ME Winner is essentally meaningless because if he wins, Digamma would almost certainly win on points anyways.

MIJB19 - In last place by a ton, but can still win in a tie with Lathum if Mercier wins the whole thing.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Lathum

how did he go out? I must have missed it glossing through the updates.

It's a few posts above, but basically he had AA against 88. The flop x88. Turn Ace. All the money in here. Ouch.

[jbergey22]

Does no one have Chan or does everyone have Chan that he doesnt matter?

[larrymcg421]

No one picked Chan. I had him in the picked players update for a while until I realized he is not on anyone's roster.

[Lathum]

All 4 Mizrachi brothers make the money.

[SirFozzie]

Man. the Bubble Boy lost in a horrible fashion...

QQ vs A2:

Flop: AA2 :P

[digamma]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Man. the Bubble Boy lost in a horrible fashion...

QQ vs A2:

Flop: AA2 :P

Except according to Poker News, they got most of the money in post flop.

[Lathum]

I'll admit I would fold aces on the bubble of the ME as long as I had a decent M.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'll admit I would fold aces on the bubble of the ME as long as I had a decent M.

I understand why an amateur would do this to ensure $$, but my argument is if you're willing to fold Aces preflop, then you should just walk away from the table and blind yourself into the money.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I understand why an amateur would do this to ensure $$, but my argument is if you're willing to fold Aces preflop, then you should just walk away from the table and blind yourself into the money.

I would likely do that as well and just play my BB for a walk or limped pot and hope to flop the nuts.

[larrymcg421]

Selbst and Timoshenko out. Mercier hurting.

[Lathum]

good, Selbst is such a cunt.

[Comey]

I wish I could've defended my title...but I didn't see it until much too late.

Mercier is out, by the way.

[jbergey22]

Mercier, Selbst, Cunningham and Timoshenko all out

[QuikSand]

I had a pretty interesting bubble story two years ago in a $1500 WSOP event. Not quite folding aces, but I had to make a fairly tough call on "play or pray."

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I had a pretty interesting bubble story two years ago in a $1500 WSOP event. Not quite folding aces, but I had to make a fairly tough call on "play or pray."

What did you do?

[QuikSand]

Well, there was a good deal of context... but as the money bubble was approaching, a hand was folded to me on the button, and I had AK. My stack was such that the BB was pretty much obliged to call with any two cards. In my head, I thought it was likely but not certain that I could just fold the next 6 or so hands and eke into the money... or I could push my AK and take my chances (fairly likely to be only something like 60/40 against two random unpaired cards below my K).

(This was after a couple tough hands pushed me from a solid stack to a weakling stack, and I had basically folded my way through about 75 minutes of play to get to this point)

Anyway... I really did agonize over it (maybe 2-3 minutes, I'm not an in-the-tank sort of guy really) and then pushed. He called with J2o, I won the hand, and I had enough chips then to actually last into day two.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Well, there was a good deal of context... but as the money bubble was approaching, a hand was folded to me on the button, and I had AK. My stack was such that the BB was pretty much obliged to call with any two cards. In my head, I thought it was likely but not certain that I could just fold the next 6 or so hands and eke into the money... or I could push my AK and take my chances (fairly likely to be only something like 60/40 against two random unpaired cards below my K).

(This was after a couple tough hands pushed me from a solid stack to a weakling stack, and I had basically folded my way through about 75 minutes of play to get to this point)

Anyway... I really did agonize over it (maybe 2-3 minutes, I'm not an in-the-tank sort of guy really) and then pushed. He called with J2o, I won the hand, and I had enough chips then to actually last into day two.

Good choice! Which tourny was it? The one where you finished 27th?

[QuikSand]

That story was from the June 2008 WSOP event... the bottom tier of cashes was about $2800, but by virtue of that double-up+, I got enough chips to survive one level beyond mincash for a few hundred more.

[larrymcg421]

Alas, Scotty Nguyen is out.

Picked players left:

Michael Mizrachi - 1,793,000
Theo Tran - 340,000
Eric Baldwin - 250,000

jbergey22 (with Mizrachi) and digamma (with Tran and Baldwin) are the only ones left with winning scenarios. Looking at those chip counts, it's gonna be a tall order for digamma.