NFL Playoff Round I Thread

[panerd]

Don't know if there was a thread started for this or not but I will go ahead and start one plus see if anyone had seen the new schedules are out for next year...

1. Can't wait for KC to come to St. Louis for a regular season game.
2. Bengals schedule is pretty rough. Obviously 2 balt and 2 pitt but also indy, new orleans, new england, miami, san diego, and maybe even carolina. Thats 6 or 7 losses there alone. Not pretty... maybe 6-10.
3. Also wanted to say that the Bengals are going to kick the Jets ass this weekend.

AFC East
Buffalo Bills
Home: Miami, New England, N.Y. Jets, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Detroit, Jacksonville
Away: Miami, New England, N.Y. Jets, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Minnesota, Kansas City

Miami Dolphins
Home: Buffalo, New England, N.Y. Jets, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Detroit, Tennessee
Away: Buffalo, New England, N.Y. Jets, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Minnesota, Oakland

New England Patriots
Home: Buffalo, Miami, N.Y. Jets, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Minnesota, Indianapolis
Away: Buffalo, Miami, N.Y. Jets, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Detroit, San Diego

New York Jets
Home: Buffalo, Miami, New England, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Green Bay, Minnesota, Houston
Away: Buffalo, Miami, New England, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Detroit, Denver


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AFC North

Baltimore Ravens
Home: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Miami, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Denver
Away: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, New England, N.Y. Jets, Atlanta, Carolina, Houston

Cincinnati Bengals
Home: Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Miami, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, San Diego
Away: Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, New England, N.Y. Jets, Atlanta, Carolina, Indianapolis

Cleveland Browns
Home: Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, New England, N.Y. Jets, Atlanta, Carolina, Kansas City
Away: Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Miami, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville

Pittsburgh Steelers
Home: Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, New England, N.Y. Jets, Atlanta, Carolina, Oakland
Away: Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Buffalo, Miami, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Tennessee

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AFC South

Houston Texans
Home: Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, San Diego, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Baltimore
Away: Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia, Washington, N.Y. Jets

Indianapolis Colts
Home: Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, San Diego, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Cincinnati
Away: Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia, Washington, New England

Jacksonville Jaguars
Home: Houston, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia, Washington, Cleveland
Away: Houston, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Kansas City, San Diego, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Buffalo

Tennessee Titans
Home: Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh
Away: Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, San Diego, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Miami

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AFC West

Denver Broncos
Home: Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego, Houston, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Seattle, N.Y. Jets
Away: Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Arizona, San Francisco, Baltimore

Kansas City Chiefs
Home: Denver, Oakland, San Diego, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Arizona, San Francisco, Buffalo
Away: Denver, Oakland, San Diego, Houston, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Seattle, Cleveland

Oakland Raiders
Home: Denver, Kansas City, San Diego, Houston, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Seattle, Miami
Away: Denver, Kansas City, San Diego, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Arizona, San Francisco, Pittsburgh

San Diego Chargers
Home: Denver, Kansas City, Oakland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Arizona, San Francisco, New England
Away: Denver, Kansas City, Oakland, Houston, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Seattle, Cincinnati

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NFC East
Dallas Cowboys
Home: N.Y. Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Jacksonville, Tennessee, New Orleans
Away: N.Y. Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Green Bay, Minnesota, Houston, Indianapolis, Arizona

New York Giants
Home: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Carolina
Away: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, Green Bay, Minnesota, Houston, Indianapolis, Seattle

Philadelphia Eagles
Home: Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Washington, Green Bay, Minnesota, Houston, Indianapolis, Atlanta
Away: Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Jacksonville, Tennessee, San Francisco

Washington Redskins
Home: Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Philadelphia, Green Bay, Minnesota, Houston, Indianapolis, Tampa Bay
Away: Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit, Jacksonville, Tennessee, St. Louis

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NFC North

Chicago Bears
Home: Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington, New England, N.Y. Jets, Seattle
Away: Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Buffalo, Miami, Carolina

Detroit Lions
Home: Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington, New England, N.Y. Jets, St. Louis
Away: Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Buffalo, Miami, Tampa Bay

Green Bay Packers
Home: Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Buffalo, Miami, San Francisco
Away: Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington, New England, N.Y. Jets, Atlanta

Minnesota Vikings
Home: Chicago, Detroit, Green Bay, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Buffalo, Miami, Arizona
Away: Chicago, Detroit, Green Bay, Philadelphia, Washington, New England, N.Y. Jets, New Orleans

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NFC South Atlanta Falcons
Home: Carolina, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Arizona, San Francisco, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Green Bay
Away: Carolina, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Seattle, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philadelphi

Carolina Panthers
Home: Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Arizona, San Francisco, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Chicago
Away: Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Seattle, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, N.Y. Giants

New Orleans Saints
Home: Atlanta, Carolina, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Seattle, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Minnesota
Away: Atlanta, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Arizona, San Francisco, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Dallas

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Home: Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans, St. Louis, Seattle, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Detroit
Away: Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans, Arizona, San Francisco, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Washington

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NFC West

Arizona Cardinals
Home: St. Louis, San Francisco, Seattle, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Denver, Oakland, Dallas
Away: St. Louis, San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta, Carolina, Kansas City, San Diego, Minnesota

San Francisco 49ers
Home: Arizona, St. Louis, Seattle, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Denver, Oakland, Philadelphia
Away: Arizona, St. Louis, Seattle, Atlanta, Carolina, Kansas City, San Diego, Green Bay

Seattle Seahawks
Home: Arizona, San Francisco, St. Louis, Atlanta, Carolina, Kansas City, San Diego, N.Y. Giants
Away: Arizona, San Francisco, St. Louis, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Denver, Oakland, Chicago

St. Louis Rams
Home: Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta, Carolina, Kansas City, San Diego, Washington
Away: Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Denver, Oakland, Detroit

[ColtCrazy]

I'm excited about the Colts' home sked next year. Lots of good teams coming in.

As for this weekend's playoffs, I could see several road teams pulling off upsets. Should be a good weekend of football.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by panerd

1. Can't wait for KC to come to St. Louis for a regular season game.

I'll be there just like the last regular season game KC had in STL. I remember the KC fans laughing because the STL offense had to go to a silent count IN THEIR OWN STADIUM due to crowd noise. Also, the "home of the CHIEFS" at the end of the national anthem was very loud.

[RendeR]

I just hope everyone keeps writing off the Bengals this weekend. I'd rather be a home underdog. THey play better with a chip on their shoulder.

The Jets saw nothing last week that is normal in the Bengals. Defense will be almost full strength and the offense, I hope, won't drop the first 9 passes thrown their way.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I just hope everyone keeps writing off the Bengals this weekend. I'd rather be a home underdog. THey play better with a chip on their shoulder.

I believe someone mentioned in another thread that Cincinnati opened up as a 1 point favorite and the line has been moving in their favor since then. They are currently a 2 1/2 point favorite. Don't think they are being written off at all!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Radii

I believe someone mentioned in another thread that Cincinnati opened up as a 1 point favorite and the line has been moving in their favor since then. They are currently a 2 1/2 point favorite. Don't think they are being written off at all!

Generally speaking though, shouldn't a game between two evenly matched teams open up with the home team as a 3 point favorite? That was always my understanding, but perhaps that has changed.

[Lathum]

Jesus, Giants have a brutal road schedule next year.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Generally speaking though, shouldn't a game between two evenly matched teams open up with the home team as a 3 point favorite? That was always my understanding, but perhaps that has changed.

DING!


Add to that every pundit with a microphone is taking the Jets right now. Might change by Saturday, things usually do.

I just want the Jets all pumped up and overconfident from listening to their own hype and watching worthless film from a game we never intended to really game plan for last week. As one commentator said "if the Jets don't burn this game film before they even open it they're gonna be very sorry"

[Thomkal]

have to like my Cards not having a single road game in the Northeast next season, and depending on when they play their road games, maybe no real cold weather games at all.

[Thomkal]

And I'm hoping for a return to the Cards play in last year's playoffs unlike this season's Jekyll and Hyde play. Gonna be tough with maybe Boldin, Rogers-Cromartie, and Calais Campbell out for this game.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by RendeR

DING!


Add to that every pundit with a microphone is taking the Jets right now. Might change by Saturday, things usually do.

I just want the Jets all pumped up and overconfident from listening to their own hype and watching worthless film from a game we never intended to really game plan for last week. As one commentator said "if the Jets don't burn this game film before they even open it they're gonna be very sorry"

I think a lot of people talk about the East coast bias and it becomes an overused term. But as far as this matchup goes I think that is what you are seeing. All of these sportcasters and talking heads grew up on the Jets and are unable to see that a rookie QB on the road is going to be a disaster. (Sorry guys but last season Flacco and Ryan had shown some things prior to the playoffs, Sanchez looks really raw)

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Generally speaking though, shouldn't a game between two evenly matched teams open up with the home team as a 3 point favorite? That was always my understanding, but perhaps that has changed.

Yeah, sure, but it seems a little disingenuous to try to play the "everyone is writing us off" card when you're a favorite at home as a 10-6 division winner against a 9-7 wild card team who needed two teams to not try against them to even get in the playoffs, doesn't it?

"Hi, we're Cincinnati, we have a better record, are playing at home, not only have we been favored by vegas to win since the line opened, but more money is going on Cincinnati's side and its not even close(for the line to have moved nearly 1 1/2 points), but NO ONE BELIEVES IN US. WE'RE GONNA SHOCK THE WORLD."

I dunno, its no big thing, the Colts and Chargers and Vikings and Saints fans are all trying to find ways to be the underdog too, its just amusing to me.

[Passacaglia]

That's true, but there's still the fact that, even if it's just the backups, there's players on the Bengals who are thinking about how they just got beat down by this team last week, and that will matter to them more than who's favored and by how much.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Radii

Yeah, sure, but it seems a little disingenuous to try to play the "everyone is writing us off" card when you're a favorite at home as a 10-6 division winner against a 9-7 wild card team who needed two teams to not try against them to even get in the playoffs, doesn't it?

"Hi, we're Cincinnati, we have a better record, are playing at home, not only have we been favored by vegas to win since the line opened, but more money is going on Cincinnati's side and its not even close(for the line to have moved nearly 1 1/2 points), but NO ONE BELIEVES IN US. WE'RE GONNA SHOCK THE WORLD."

I dunno, its no big thing, the Colts and Chargers and Vikings and Saints fans are all trying to find ways to be the underdog too, its just amusing to me.

I understand what you're saying. Was just making sure I wasn't missing something more obvious.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That's true, but there's still the fact that, even if it's just the backups, there's players on the Bengals who are thinking about how they just got beat down by this team last week, and that will matter to them more than who's favored and by how much.

And on the other hand there are players who didn't play, and others who didn't play hard, who want to prove that when they are in the lineup at 100% they make a 37 point difference. Would rather have Benson, Palmer, Peko, Ochocinco fired up about how they will make the difference than worrying whether or not JT O'Sullivan, Brandon Johnson, and Morgan Trent are disappointed in their efforts.

[panerd]

Dola: Why do the Eagles, Cardinals, and Patroits seem to get the pass on last week's eggs but Cinci won't be able to overcome it? Any Bengal fan will tell you that team stopped trying by the second Jet's score and with Benson and others being held out it is obvious they weren't going 100% from the get go.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by panerd

Dola: Why do the Eagles, Cardinals, and Patroits seem to get the pass on last week's eggs but Cinci won't be able to overcome it? Any Bengal fan will tell you that team stopped trying by the second Jet's score and with Benson and others being held out it is obvious they weren't going 100% from the get go.

The Eagles shouldn't get a pass, they looked like total shit in a game that if they won, they would not be playing this week.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

The Eagles shouldn't get a pass, they looked like total shit in a game that if they won, they would not be playing this week.

I guess the Cardinals are the perfect example. Maybe Palmer should haven't have even played but it was pretty obvious that the players weren't going all out trying to catch balls and make plays once the game started to get out of control. Is this acceptable if it isn't what Lewis sorta wanted? No. But from all accounts I have read this was kind of the mentality going in.

If I am playing my 9 year old niece in checkers sometimes I put in a different effort than if I am playing a game of chess against somebody that I really want to beat. Their heart just wasn't there and all credit to Jets because theirs was.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Generally speaking though, shouldn't a game between two evenly matched teams open up with the home team as a 3 point favorite? That was always my understanding, but perhaps that has changed.

That +2.5 line isnt a great sign for the Bengals though.

It pretty much means they are asking for Bengals action by setting the home team as less than 3 point favs. If the Line had been Bengals -3.5 it means they were looking for Jets action by setting a tight matchup by more than a FG.

What it all means? Probably not a whole lot other than Vegas seems to get richer every year while the bettors have lost money again. Happens every year

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by panerd

AFC East
Buffalo Bills
Home: ... Detroit ...

Hello, Rogers Centre!

[JediKooter]

The Jets are being picked because they have the number 1 ranked defense and are going up against the 24th ranked offense.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

The Jets are being picked because they have the number 1 ranked defense and are going up against the 24th ranked offense.

also the #1 rush offense in a game where weather could play an important role.

Id have a really hard time picking the Bengals in this game.

Im not even sure if home field is going to be a benefit for Cincy the way they played last week in the cold.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by panerd

new orleans, new england, miami, san diego, and maybe even carolina. Thats 6 or 7 losses there alone. Not pretty... maybe 6-10.

see I look at this and say, that much sweeter when they win 12!

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

also the #1 rush offense in a game where weather could play an important role.

Id have a really hard time picking the Bengals in this game.

Im not even sure if home field is going to be a benefit for Cincy the way they played last week in the cold.

Oh yes, coupled with the number one rushing offense, I would definitely pick the Jets. I think last week was nothing to really base much on for the Bengals as they sat a lot of people, etc. However, looking at the previous 15 games of the season, they are barely averaging 19 points a game while the Jets are giving up just under 15 points a game.

Now the Bengals do have the number 4 defense, but, they are giving up 18 points a game while the Jets are scoring almost 22 points a game. This is another area that falls into the Jets favor.

The Bengals have a chance, but, they have to keep the Jets from running tha ball and that means they need to win the time of possession battle.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Oh yes, coupled with the number one rushing offense, I would definitely pick the Jets. I think last week was nothing to really base much on for the Bengals as they sat a lot of people, etc. However, looking at the previous 15 games of the season, they are barely averaging 19 points a game while the Jets are giving up just under 15 points a game.

Now the Bengals do have the number 4 defense, but, they are giving up 18 points a game while the Jets are scoring almost 22 points a game. This is another area that falls into the Jets favor.

The Bengals have a chance, but, they have to keep the Jets from running tha ball and that means they need to win the time of possession battle.

From your sig I will assume your team is the Chargers. Your analysis doesn't bode well for your team who barely held off this crappy Bengal team at home a few weeks ago. I am pretty sure the Bengals have more than "a chance".

[JediKooter]

Definitely a Chargers fan for sure. Didn't say the Bengals were crappy and they did almost beat the Chargers. However, as a long time Charger fan and especially a big Norv Turner non-supporter, the Chargers have a very bad tendency to play down to their opponent. Saw it in the Dallas game, Cleveland, Bengals and both Raider games. So yes, I am worried that the Charger will have another one and done Post Season after having a first round bye.

[panerd]

When did the Cards/Packer game become a push? I thought it was like 2 or 3 points a few days ago?

[panerd]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Definitely a Chargers fan for sure. Didn't say the Bengals were crappy and they did almost beat the Chargers. However, as a long time Charger fan and especially a big Norv Turner non-supporter, the Chargers have a very bad tendency to play down to their opponent. Saw it in the Dallas game, Cleveland, Bengals and both Raider games. So yes, I am worried that the Charger will have another one and done Post Season after having a first round bye.

If I were you I would much rather face the Jets than the Bengals. The Jets have no shot against San Diego while with the Bengals you never know.

Jets "Big" wins: At Ind second string? Cin second string? At Jeckyll Hou? NE.
Bengals: At GB, At Balt, At Pit, Pit, Balt.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by panerd

Cin second string?

You do realize this didn't happen right?

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Samdari

You do realize this didn't happen right?

I could have sworn their star sat out along with several defensive forces and that JT O'SUllivan took more than half the snaps. Makes no sense really to debate this until Saturday anyways but that was hardly an effort they put out there on Sunday night. I guess New England really tried against Houston because Brady was in there?

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Jesus, Giants have a brutal road schedule next year.

Same with the Cowboys.

Eagles and Redskins are lucky mofos

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by panerd

If I were you I would much rather face the Jets than the Bengals. The Jets have no shot against San Diego while with the Bengals you never know.

Jets "Big" wins: At Ind second string? Cin second string? At Jeckyll Hou? NE.
Bengals: At GB, At Balt, At Pit, Pit, Balt.

Yes, I would prefer the Chargers play the Jets over the Bengals. The Chargers don't have much of a run game, but, are dangerous enough on the ground that their recievers can make big plays. It's unfortunate that the Chargers' offensive line sucked ass this year with their run blocking, made it look like LT and Sproles couldn't run. Well, they couldn't because they were having to avoid defenders that were already 2 yards beyond the line of scrimage by the time they got the ball.

I have a feeling it will be 2006 all over again and the Chargers will end up playing the Patriots in the Divisional round and the Chargers find unique ways to choke when they play the Patriots. It will be some stupid weird play that will allow the Patriots to win. Something like Rivers throws the ball to Jackson, but, it hits Jackson on the back of the shoulder, then it hits LT on the front of his foot while he's taking a step that launches the ball into the air and the Patriots intercept it and run it back for a touch down to win the game.

Trust me, being a life long Chargers fan, I won't say the Chargers are going to the Super Bowl until no time is on the clock and they have at least one more point than whoever it is they play, if they make it to the Conference Championship round.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by panerd

I could have sworn their star sat out along with several defensive forces and that JT O'SUllivan took more than half the snaps. Makes no sense really to debate this until Saturday anyways but that was hardly an effort they put out there on Sunday night. I guess New England really tried against Houston because Brady was in there?

Palmer was not pulled until the game was out of reach - in the second half. If O'Sullivan took more than half the snaps, it was due to their inability to get When teams are trying to keep guys from being injured, doesn't it start with the QB? They played the first half trying to win that game, and got their asses handed to them.

And go ahead and fool yourself into thinking that Peko and Geathers are 'forces'. Sadly for Cinicinatti, the players that were key to their defense being a force early are on IR - Odom led them in sacks playing 6 games?

[mauchow]

I would take the giants schedule over the Vikings. Holy crap that is a loaded schedule.


Home: Chicago, Detroit, Green Bay, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Buffalo, Miami, Arizona
Away: Chicago, Detroit, Green Bay, Philadelphia, Washington, New England, N.Y. Jets, New Orleans

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Hello, Rogers Centre!

I doubt this will happen because they actually want people to come to the game.

[RainMaker]

This feels like an impossible week to be betting on NFL football. I looked at all the lines and couldn't find a single thing I liked at all. I can see each game going both ways. It's going to be a lot of fun.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I doubt this will happen because they actually want people to come to the game.

So they're moving the game to Dallas?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This feels like an impossible week to be betting on NFL football. I looked at all the lines and couldn't find a single thing I liked at all. I can see each game going both ways. It's going to be a lot of fun.

Jets +2.5
Cards/Packers over 47
Eagles/Cowboys over 45

[Radii]

So 30 minutes in and we're not even halfway through the first quarter yet. At least each team has already burned a challenge!

[bhlloy]

Are you shitting me, the punter can't punt IN THE PLAYOFFS because he's ill?

If he's well enough to jog around out there in slacks, he's well enough to run out on the field once every 10 minutes and kick a freaking ball. Holy crap.

[Karlifornia]

Marvin Lewis showing good restraint with his challenges.

[Eaglesfan27]

That was a pretty throw and Braylon just had a horrible drop.

[zums]

this announcing team is driving me crazy already......

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by zums

this announcing team is driving me crazy already......

+1. Love how they keep butchering names as well.

[Danny]

Wow that was a bad call.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by zums

this announcing team is driving me crazy already......

I was thinking the same thing....they are doing a swell job of making this seem like it's just any old regular season game. They were obviously at their most excited when they got to talk about Theisman's punt 600 years ago...and they still stumbled and stuttered all over that, too.

[Crapshoot]

Carson Palmer looks awful here - has he just been this bad all year and we haven't noticed? A couple of years ago, I'd have put him just below Manning/Brady/Brees elite level...

[rowech]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Carson Palmer looks awful here - has he just been this bad all year and we haven't noticed? A couple of years ago, I'd have put him just below Manning/Brady/Brees elite level...

He's been bad at times this year unfortunately, especially in the 1st half of games.

[rowech]

I should also note that COles has been awful compared to what Housh used to offer them.

[Radii]

Theisman has no idea who threw that touchdown pass... just embarrassing. Nice TD for the Jets.