What will we find in Baghdad?

Bee · 04-09-2003, 08:59 AM

So do you think we'll find any information concerning illegal arms sales from France and Russia?

I got a funny feeling we might. I can't imagine the Iraqi leadership destroying things like that when the fled...

Alf · 04-09-2003, 09:05 AM

You'll find a picture of Georges Bush shaking hands with Saddam while the US help Saddam fight Iran.

Radii · 04-09-2003, 09:08 AM

It wouldn't suprise me. Why would Saddam care about protecting their asses when he's on his way out.

Question: Do we know for a fact they've sold arms illegally to Iraq or do we just suspect it? (That's a legitimate question b/c I don't know the answer and figure you guys can answer faster than I can google it, not a loaded question at all).

Bee · 04-09-2003, 09:09 AM

Alf, I guess I'll chalk you up to No.

Radii · 04-09-2003, 09:11 AM

dola. That too Alf. While we're at it, I want the one of Rumsfeld getting a hummer from one of Saddam's womenfolk. Well, ok, I don't want to SEE it, but I want to hear about it.

We'll also find a lot of US hi-tech stuff and it'll take months to figure out if US Corps sold stuff to Iraq intentionally or whether it got there via a 3rd party(there are companies in China that US companies sold stuff to that is banned from sale to Iraq, and we later found that the China corps were working with Iraq to sell them US stuff, this is gonna be messy eh?)

Alf · 04-09-2003, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by Bee
Alf, I guess I'll chalk you up to No.

The US has already found French weapons in some WareHouse : it was dated 1979

!!! Talk about outdated weapons !

Bee · 04-09-2003, 09:12 AM

Radii,

I don't think there is any definite proof, but it is highly suspected. I know we've accused Russia of it very recently. There have also been "suggestions" about France.

We've also found "modern" weapons that could have come from either country in the field (post 1991 weapons which weren't around before the sanctions). I'm sure that will be investigated as well.

I have a feeling even if we find information it will be used to pressure governments behind the scenes instead of made public. JMO though.

scooper · 04-09-2003, 09:12 AM

Not to mentioned burned out Mirage jet fighters that never made it off the runway.

I just love the argument that the US armed Iraq so what we are doing now is wrong. I guess the US was wrong to send arms and aid to the Soviets during WWII as well. The fact is, at the time Iraq was the lesser of two evils. Two wrongs make a right? No. But we're cleaning up that mess right now. I read that US military sales to Iraq made up about 1% of Iraq's arms purchases. None of that included weapons of mass destruction. It's interesting, considering you argument that we don't see the Republican Guard toting M-16's and driving Abrams tanks.

Bee · 04-09-2003, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by Alf
The US has already found French weapons in some WareHouse : it was dated 1979 !!! Talk about outdated weapons !

True. They have also found weapons from post 1991, but haven't figured out where they come from.

I have no idea if France was involved (I hope not).

Alf · 04-09-2003, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by Bee
True. They have also found weapons from post 1991, but haven't figured out where they come from.

I have no idea if France was involved (I hope not).

I hope not too, but there is nothing that can guarantee that... Remember how I said "Thief, Liar & Burglar" on my comments about President Chirac. His position against the war is the first time EVER I agree with him.

Alf · 04-09-2003, 09:20 AM

dola : easy way to determine if the eapons come from France is that we usually write text in French on the weapons. You know, that strange language that some guys on the north-west border of USA speak sometimes

Bee · 04-09-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by Alf
I hope not too, but there is nothing that can guarantee that... Remember how I said "Thief, Liar & Burglar" on my comments about President Chirac. His position against the war is the first time EVER I agree with him.

Sadly in the last election I think the French had a worse choice than the Americans (if that's possible

).

BreizhManu · 04-09-2003, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by Alf
His position against the war is the first time EVER I agree with him.

same here, and probably not for the same reasons as him

edited : don't know why I wanted to put here in capital letters

04-09-2003, 09:05 AM	#2
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	You'll find a picture of Georges Bush shaking hands with Saddam while the US help Saddam fight Iran. __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

04-09-2003, 09:20 AM	#11
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	dola : easy way to determine if the eapons come from France is that we usually write text in French on the weapons. You know, that strange language that some guys on the north-west border of USA speak sometimes __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

04-09-2003, 09:08 AM	#3
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	It wouldn't suprise me. Why would Saddam care about protecting their asses when he's on his way out. Question: Do we know for a fact they've sold arms illegally to Iraq or do we just suspect it? (That's a legitimate question b/c I don't know the answer and figure you guys can answer faster than I can google it, not a loaded question at all).

04-09-2003, 09:09 AM	#4
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Alf, I guess I'll chalk you up to No.

04-09-2003, 09:11 AM	#5
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	dola. That too Alf. While we're at it, I want the one of Rumsfeld getting a hummer from one of Saddam's womenfolk. Well, ok, I don't want to SEE it, but I want to hear about it. We'll also find a lot of US hi-tech stuff and it'll take months to figure out if US Corps sold stuff to Iraq intentionally or whether it got there via a 3rd party(there are companies in China that US companies sold stuff to that is banned from sale to Iraq, and we later found that the China corps were working with Iraq to sell them US stuff, this is gonna be messy eh?)

04-09-2003, 09:12 AM	#7
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Radii, I don't think there is any definite proof, but it is highly suspected. I know we've accused Russia of it very recently. There have also been "suggestions" about France. We've also found "modern" weapons that could have come from either country in the field (post 1991 weapons which weren't around before the sanctions). I'm sure that will be investigated as well. I have a feeling even if we find information it will be used to pressure governments behind the scenes instead of made public. JMO though.

04-09-2003, 09:12 AM	#8
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	Not to mentioned burned out Mirage jet fighters that never made it off the runway. I just love the argument that the US armed Iraq so what we are doing now is wrong. I guess the US was wrong to send arms and aid to the Soviets during WWII as well. The fact is, at the time Iraq was the lesser of two evils. Two wrongs make a right? No. But we're cleaning up that mess right now. I read that US military sales to Iraq made up about 1% of Iraq's arms purchases. None of that included weapons of mass destruction. It's interesting, considering you argument that we don't see the Republican Guard toting M-16's and driving Abrams tanks.

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