Fort Hood Shooting - 12 Dead, 30+ Injured

RainMaker · 11-05-2009, 03:32 PM

Shitty news. All over the major news sites.

Galaril · 11-05-2009, 03:38 PM

Geez don't know if I am going to want to know who the shooters are anyway you slice it.The options tare basically terrorists, soldiers, civilians none of which give me warm and fuzzies.

GoldenEagle · 11-05-2009, 03:42 PM

My guess would be some sort of extremist group, but we will see.

JPhillips · 11-05-2009, 03:46 PM

The military is saying it's a purely military incident. Wouldn't be too hard for a disgruntled or crazy guy to start killing people on a military base.

RainMaker · 11-05-2009, 03:54 PM

Seems like multiple shooters though so who knows.

DaddyTorgo · 11-05-2009, 04:01 PM

of course they're not going to say it was terrorists. but what's the alternative? 2 stressed-out guys making a pact? I dunno bout that.

RomaGoth · 11-05-2009, 04:02 PM

Apparently this isn't the first time problems have arisen either.

hxxp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572350,00.html

Karlifornia · 11-05-2009, 04:05 PM

There was an article about this in the latest issue of Rolling Stone I believe...maybe/maybe not Fort Hood...but problems at a military base like this.

DanGarion · 11-05-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Apparently this isn't the first time problems have arisen either.

hxxp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572350,00.html

That's excellent writing in them that there article that the AP contributed to.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-05-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

of course they're not going to say it was terrorists. but what's the alternative? 2 stressed-out guys making a pact? I dunno bout that.

And in keeping with our polar opposition to each other, my first reaction to the latest writethrough was to find that possibility entirely plausible. I'm short of considering it the most likely scenario but it didn't strike me the least bit unbelievable either.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-05-2009, 04:18 PM

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(CNN) -- Eleven people plus a gunman were killed and 31 were wounded after the gunman opened fire at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday, a Fort Hood spokesman said.

The gunman was a soldier, and two other soldiers have been detained as suspects, said the spokesman, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone.

Cone said more than one shooter may have been involved.

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DanGarion · 11-05-2009, 04:18 PM

I'm sure someone will say it was all a conspiracy eventually.

Greyroofoo · 11-05-2009, 04:20 PM

I think it was all a conspiracy

lungs · 11-05-2009, 04:26 PM

Anybody see the Arabic sounding name part in the news story?

Doug5984 · 11-05-2009, 04:29 PM

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The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.

3 soliders, if it was one- I could think he went off the deep end, but getting 3 to go off the deep end at once, that makes me think there might be more to it. I don't know, it sucks all around no matter who did it.
Sad day.

DanGarion · 11-05-2009, 04:31 PM

Of course we are talking about a Major, it's not like he was just recruited yesterday.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-05-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Anybody see the Arabic sounding name part in the news story?

Not until it was quoted in the next post.

But oddly enough what jumped out at me much more shockingly was the rank of the reported shooter, way moreso than his more-exotic-than-John-Smith name.

Galaril · 11-05-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Anybody see the Arabic sounding name part in the news story?

Conspiracy theories may begin.

Doug5984 · 11-05-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Not until it was quoted in the next post.

But oddly enough what jumped out at me much more shockingly was the rank of the reported shooter, way moreso than his more-exotic-than-John-Smith name.

Yeah, agreed- I don't know a whole lot about military rank, but I know Major is pretty high up there, like someone said- he wasn't recruited yesterday.

Greyroofoo · 11-05-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Like I said that is not reassuring. One guys goes off every now and then ok but two or three guys and the military (Army) has got a problem. A few more of these fucked things go on and no way am I going to push my kids to attend the Air Force Academy. Just bad pub.

So having 2 wars going on right isn't enough to keep your kids out of the Air Force Academy but a random(afaik) shooting is?

Galaril · 11-05-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

So having 2 wars going on right isn't enough to keep your kids out of the Air Force Academy but a random(afaik) shooting is?

Yeah good point.

JPhillips · 11-05-2009, 05:00 PM

It seems like there's some confusion as to whether the two suspects in custody were actually involved in the shootings.

bbgunn · 11-05-2009, 05:40 PM

Damn, my aunt used to work at Fort Hood a long long time ago. That's sad to hear.

JPhillips · 11-05-2009, 05:57 PM

Army Psychiatrist. This is very strange.

Radii · 11-05-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

But oddly enough what jumped out at me much more shockingly was the rank of the reported shooter, way moreso than his more-exotic-than-John-Smith name.

+1

Greyroofoo · 11-05-2009, 06:33 PM

Some reports are saying he was a recent muslim convert.

This won't end well.

RainMaker · 11-05-2009, 06:49 PM

I'm only seeing those reports on sites that seem like they have an agenda to stir up some xenophobia. Might turn out to be true, but have yet to see any real news source come out and say it.

Wouldn't surprise me though, religion strikes again.

Schmidty · 11-05-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Wouldn't surprise me though, religion strikes again.

Yes, because all "religious" people go around shooting people. None religious people never, ever do things like that.

DaddyTorgo · 11-05-2009, 07:13 PM

i heard on the national news (abc i think) that he was a converted muslim.

CamEdwards · 11-05-2009, 07:29 PM

Fox interviewed a guy who they said was his cousin. Cousin says he was lifelong muslim.

AP is reporting, however, that authorities became aware of him six months ago after some comments he made on a blog comparing suicide bombers to soldiers who would jump on a grenade to save the lives of others.

AP sources: Authorities had concerns about suspect

RainMaker · 11-05-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Yes, because all "religious" people go around shooting people. None religious people never, ever do things like that.

Not all, but we aren't fighting multiple wars to protect ourselves from some atheists who want to fly planes into buildings. Take a look at most of the major global conflicts today and let me know what they have in common.

cartman · 11-05-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Take a look at most of the major global conflicts today and let me know what they have in common.

They are messes left after Britian got out of the colonial business?

Passacaglia · 11-05-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

They are messes left after Britian got out of the colonial business?

So it all comes back to Guy Fawkes day.

Anyway, my sister is there, or works there at least. She's okay -- I guess she was off-post at the time.

DaddyTorgo · 11-05-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyway, my sister is there, or works there at least. She's okay -- I guess she was off-post at the time.

good news

Marc Vaughan · 11-05-2009, 07:50 PM

The BBC report (BBC NEWS | Americas | Deadly shootings at US army base) mentions that he was about to be deployed to Iraq.

(also seems to indicate that he was the only shooter - no mention of his being a Muslim at all in that report)

Marc Vaughan · 11-05-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyway, my sister is there, or works there at least. She's okay -- I guess she was off-post at the time.

Glad to hear that.

Passacaglia · 11-05-2009, 08:20 PM

Press conference guy (Lt. Gen. Robert Cone) is saying the shooter is not dead.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-05-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyway, my sister is there, or works there at least. She's okay -- I guess she was off-post at the time.

Glad to hear that, hopefully you didn't have too many anxious moments before you found out she was okay.

Senator · 11-05-2009, 09:01 PM

Know alot of good people there. Sad story.

JPhillips · 11-05-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Fox interviewed a guy who they said was his cousin. Cousin says he was lifelong muslim.

AP is reporting, however, that authorities became aware of him six months ago after some comments he made on a blog comparing suicide bombers to soldiers who would jump on a grenade to save the lives of others.

AP sources: Authorities had concerns about suspect

The post in questions seems more academic than jihadist to me.

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There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Noop · 11-05-2009, 09:15 PM

Sad to hear.

stevew · 11-05-2009, 09:27 PM

Re the Shooter

Can't they execute the fuck really fast since If assume this is a treasonous act? This is a military case or a state case?

duckman · 11-05-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Re the Shooter

Can't they execute the fuck really fast since If assume this is a treasonous act? This is a military case or a state case?

It's a military case since it occurred on a military installation against military personnel.

He'll receive due process according to the UCMJ. They are like the feds in that they will make damn sure that they will get a conviction. The military courts have a 98% conviction rate and are very thorough with their investigation and prosecution.

bbgunn · 11-05-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyway, my sister is there, or works there at least. She's okay -- I guess she was off-post at the time.

Good to hear, Passacaglia.

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

(also seems to indicate that he was the only shooter - no mention of his being a Muslim at all in that report)

This is why I like to get news about my home country from the BBC instead of Fox, MSNBC and CNN.

Galaril · 11-05-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Re the Shooter

Can't they execute the fuck really fast since If assume this is a treasonous act? This is a military case or a state case?

Technically it would be military and in this case probably federal having happened on a base. That being said I am sure the miltary authoriites will be working with the local state prosecutors to see who can get a more severe sentencing with death almost certainly being the aim IMHO.

CamEdwards · 11-05-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bbgunn

Good to hear, Passacaglia.

This is why I like to get news about my home country from the BBC instead of Fox, MSNBC and CNN.

Why would you like to get less information about what's going on? I'm confused by this statement.

stevew · 11-05-2009, 10:04 PM

Supposedly a female cop neutralized the situation? While a headshot to the guy saves trial expenses, it is kind of good she got him before he could "end it all". No virgins for this dick.

Passacaglia · 11-05-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

No virgins for this dick.

I think it's just a guy who didn't want to go to Iraq, and freaked out.

bbgunn · 11-05-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Why would you like to get less information about what's going on? I'm confused by this statement.

I like my news unbiased. Fox News is too far right and MSNBC is too far left. And who knows what CNN is doing.

M GO BLUE!!! · 11-06-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So it all comes back to Guy Fawkes day.

Anyway, my sister is there, or works there at least. She's okay -- I guess she was off-post at the time.

Didn't expect a good laugh in this thread. Thank you!

Glad to know your family is ok.

As for the murderous bastard, more will be paid to his name and faith than is necessary or appropriate, but the fact is that they did factor in. He should be treated the same as anyone else who would commit such an act. No better or worse. Line him up & fill him with lead.

11-05-2009, 03:38 PM	#2
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Geez don't know if I am going to want to know who the shooters are anyway you slice it.The options tare basically terrorists, soldiers, civilians none of which give me warm and fuzzies. Last edited by Galaril : 11-05-2009 at 03:39 PM.

11-05-2009, 03:42 PM	#3
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	My guess would be some sort of extremist group, but we will see. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

11-05-2009, 03:46 PM	#4
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The military is saying it's a purely military incident. Wouldn't be too hard for a disgruntled or crazy guy to start killing people on a military base. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

11-05-2009, 04:01 PM	#6
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	of course they're not going to say it was terrorists. but what's the alternative? 2 stressed-out guys making a pact? I dunno bout that. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

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Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	There was an article about this in the latest issue of Rolling Stone I believe...maybe/maybe not Fort Hood...but problems at a military base like this. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

11-05-2009, 03:54 PM	#5
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Seems like multiple shooters though so who knows.

11-05-2009, 04:18 PM	#12
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	I'm sure someone will say it was all a conspiracy eventually. __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

11-05-2009, 04:20 PM	#13
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	I think it was all a conspiracy

11-05-2009, 04:26 PM	#14
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Anybody see the Arabic sounding name part in the news story?

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11-05-2009, 05:57 PM	#24
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Army Psychiatrist. This is very strange. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

11-05-2009, 06:33 PM	#26
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Some reports are saying he was a recent muslim convert. This won't end well.

11-05-2009, 06:49 PM	#27
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I'm only seeing those reports on sites that seem like they have an agenda to stir up some xenophobia. Might turn out to be true, but have yet to see any real news source come out and say it. Wouldn't surprise me though, religion strikes again.

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Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	The BBC report (BBC NEWS \| Americas \| Deadly shootings at US army base) mentions that he was about to be deployed to Iraq. (also seems to indicate that he was the only shooter - no mention of his being a Muslim at all in that report)

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Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Press conference guy (Lt. Gen. Robert Cone) is saying the shooter is not dead. Last edited by Passacaglia : 11-05-2009 at 08:20 PM.

11-05-2009, 09:01 PM	#39
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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Re the Shooter Can't they execute the fuck really fast since If assume this is a treasonous act? This is a military case or a state case?

11-05-2009, 10:04 PM	#47
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Supposedly a female cop neutralized the situation? While a headshot to the guy saves trial expenses, it is kind of good she got him before he could "end it all". No virgins for this dick.

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