Do it by... what does do it by mean?

Mustang · 08-01-2009, 04:08 PM

Fantasy baseball related.

Basically the rule is -

If no team expresses interest in a player traded from the American League by noon the day following the trade, that player becomes an “unrestricted” free agent.

Player A submits a claim with a message stamp of 12:00 PM. Claims they own the player now outright because no one else did it by 12:00 PM

Player B submits a message at 12:01 saying they are in on the bidding because Player A said they were interested and by means anything before 12:01 PM

So, does submitted by noon mean something needs to be done by 11:59.59 AM? or 12:00.59 PM?

Chief Rum · 08-01-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

Player B submits a message at 12:01 saying they are in on the bidding because Player A said they were interested and by means anything before 12:01 PM

Can you clarify this sentence, because no matter how I read it, I can't make sense of it, and I can't answer your question without being sure what Player B is saying.

Mustang · 08-01-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Can you clarify this sentence, because no matter how I read it, I can't make sense of it, and I can't answer your question without being sure what Player B is saying.

In our league, we bid on AL guys coming over. You have to tell everyone if you are in on the bidding. If no one does it by Noon, that player is a free agent and it is first come, first serve. Sealed Bids start at 6 PM and and at 9 PM.

So, Player B meant that because Player A said 'pick up player' that signaled their interest on a player BY NOON because it was posted AT NOON and BY NOON means anything before 12:01 PM.

Even more confused?

DaddyTorgo · 08-01-2009, 04:23 PM

sounds like a werewolf-style "is a noon deadline when the clock strikes noon, or when the minute going from 12:00-12:01 is over" ?

Cringer · 08-01-2009, 04:23 PM

I usually take 'do it by' to mean before. Like this week I had a report that I agreed to do by the weekend. Yesterday was going to be crappy trying to get it in, until I got an email from the company expecting the report asking if I would have it in over the weekend as I said. Instead of pointing out the difference of opinion, I said no problen and took the extra time with no complaint.

In other words, the two guys in the story above need to decide this with a duel.

DaddyTorgo · 08-01-2009, 04:24 PM

in this case i think player b is actually right - if player A had waited until 12:01 then i would argue they had been right, but i think they jumped the gun

M GO BLUE!!! · 08-01-2009, 04:36 PM

Is Player A Minnesota and B Kansas City?

Mustang · 08-01-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

I usually take 'do it by' to mean before. Like this week I had a report that I agreed to do by the weekend. Yesterday was going to be crappy trying to get it in, until I got an email from the company expecting the report asking if I would have it in over the weekend as I said. Instead of pointing out the difference of opinion, I said no problen and took the extra time with no complaint.

In other words, the two guys in the story above need to decide this with a duel.

Ya, pretty much I should have just removed the fantasy baseball context and went with "Boss tells you to have something done by Noon or you are fired. You complete the task at 12:00.01 and the Boss fires you because you weren't done by noon, but you said you were done by noon."

Probably one of those things you can argue both ways.

Izulde · 08-01-2009, 04:36 PM

Player A.

Player B's argument fails because in their own words "before 12:01 pm" and yet, their message was timestamped 12:01 pm, thus making their claim NOT before 12:01 pm.

Mustang · 08-01-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Player B's argument fails because in their own words "before 12:01 pm" and yet, their message was timestamped 12:01 pm, thus making their claim NOT before 12:01 pm.

As a note, they were not saying they get the player, but rather that bids were open. If someone says, I want to bid on this guy and they post the message at 7 AM, everyone else can declare too by 6:00 PM. That is what they are claiming.

Yes, we have f'd up rules in our league.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-01-2009, 05:06 PM

This one is the correct answer if the phrasing is "by noon".

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11:59.59 AM

rowech · 08-01-2009, 06:25 PM

I'm not sure I understand the scenario. By noon means 11:59:59...otherwise, it's not by noon.

gstelmack · 08-01-2009, 06:32 PM

The problem here is the first e-mail has too non-specific a time. I would say 12:00:00 PM is "by", but 12:00:01 PM is after. Minutes have nothing to do with it, seconds (or microseconds if you will) do. If he sent that e-mail even a nanosecond after 12:00:00 PM, it's after noon, period.

kcchief19 · 08-01-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

The problem here is the first e-mail has too non-specific a time. I would say 12:00:00 PM is "by", but 12:00:01 PM is after. Minutes have nothing to do with it, seconds (or microseconds if you will) do. If he sent that e-mail even a nanosecond after 12:00:00 PM, it's after noon, period.

Well, he clearly sent the e-mail at least a nanosecond after 12:00:00 pm or the the e-mail would have been timestamped 11:59 am. For these purposes, by noon would mean the e-mail had to be timestamped 11:59 or earlier. 12:00 or later is after the deadline.

RendeR · 08-01-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

Well, he clearly sent the e-mail at least a nanosecond after 12:00:00 pm or the the e-mail would have been timestamped 11:59 am. For these purposes, by noon would mean the e-mail had to be timestamped 11:59 or earlier. 12:00 or later is after the deadline.

*DING*

sounds like they're both SoL

RainMaker · 08-01-2009, 08:33 PM

Player A would get him. By noon means everything up to 12:00:00pm.

digamma · 08-01-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

The problem here is the first e-mail has too non-specific a time. I would say 12:00:00 PM is "by", but 12:00:01 PM is after. Minutes have nothing to do with it, seconds (or microseconds if you will) do. If he sent that e-mail even a nanosecond after 12:00:00 PM, it's after noon, period.

I agree with this. By noon, includes Noon on the nose. (If you don't agree think of the difference between saying turn in a paper by Friday or before Friday. In the first, Friday is ok, in the second, it's too late.)

Where I sort of disagree with Greg is that if there's no time stamp for seconds, then I'd say 12:00 has to get the benefit of the doubt.

Abe Sargent · 08-02-2009, 01:40 AM

Here is the definition from dictionary .com:

6. not later than; at or before

In other words, 12:00 timestamp appears to be by because it is not later than noon, it is noon, so it can't be later.

larrymcg421 · 08-02-2009, 09:10 AM

I agree with digamma's analysis. Noon is "by noon."

Julio Riddols · 08-02-2009, 09:27 AM

There was a song written once that said "If you dont know me by now, you will never ever ever know me."

I'd take that pretty literally to mean if you haven't already done it by the time stated, you're not going to be able to. Its not like the baseball trade deadline.

fantom1979 · 08-02-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Here is the definition from dictionary .com:

6. not later than; at or before

In other words, 12:00 timestamp appears to be by because it is not later than noon, it is noon, so it can't be later.

I think we have a winner

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08-01-2009, 04:23 PM	#4
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	sounds like a werewolf-style "is a noon deadline when the clock strikes noon, or when the minute going from 12:00-12:01 is over" ? __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

08-01-2009, 04:23 PM	#5
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	I usually take 'do it by' to mean before. Like this week I had a report that I agreed to do by the weekend. Yesterday was going to be crappy trying to get it in, until I got an email from the company expecting the report asking if I would have it in over the weekend as I said. Instead of pointing out the difference of opinion, I said no problen and took the extra time with no complaint. In other words, the two guys in the story above need to decide this with a duel. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

08-01-2009, 04:24 PM	#6
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08-01-2009, 04:36 PM	#9
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08-01-2009, 04:36 PM	#7
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Is Player A Minnesota and B Kansas City?

08-01-2009, 06:25 PM	#12
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	I'm not sure I understand the scenario. By noon means 11:59:59...otherwise, it's not by noon.

08-01-2009, 06:32 PM	#13
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	The problem here is the first e-mail has too non-specific a time. I would say 12:00:00 PM is "by", but 12:00:01 PM is after. Minutes have nothing to do with it, seconds (or microseconds if you will) do. If he sent that e-mail even a nanosecond after 12:00:00 PM, it's after noon, period. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

08-01-2009, 08:33 PM	#16
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Player A would get him. By noon means everything up to 12:00:00pm.

08-02-2009, 01:40 AM	#18
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Here is the definition from dictionary .com: 6. not later than; at or before In other words, 12:00 timestamp appears to be by because it is not later than noon, it is noon, so it can't be later. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-02-2009, 09:10 AM	#19
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	I agree with digamma's analysis. Noon is "by noon." __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

08-02-2009, 09:27 AM	#20
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	There was a song written once that said "If you dont know me by now, you will never ever ever know me." I'd take that pretty literally to mean if you haven't already done it by the time stated, you're not going to be able to. Its not like the baseball trade deadline. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

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