WSOP Pool 2009

[larrymcg421]

Time to get this started again. The World Series of Poker starts on May 26th.

Rules:

Pick 10 Poker Players

1 of the poker players must be female
1 of the poker players must not have a bracelet.
1 of your picks can be made "Money Man" and they will score double points for you.
1 of your picks can be made "Main Event Champion". If they win the Main Event, you win the pool by default. (This almost happened three years ago when Allen Cunningham made the final table, and last year we had deep runs by Matusow and Hellmuth).

Scoring is based on cash won by your players. You get 1 point for every $1,000 your picks earn.

Previous winners...

2008 - MollyMurphy
2007 - timmynausea
2006 - Barkeep49
2005 - Chubby
2004 - albionmoonlight

Picks due by May 26th. Late entries are accepted, but you will not get pts for any events that started before your picks were made.


Current Standings and Players Remaining:


Comey 1685.52

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


ntndeacon 1640.79


rockboy70 1564.706

Phil Ivey 2,695,000


Quiksand 1549.708

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


radii 1529.637

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


digamma 1510.13

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


MollyMurphy 1433.944

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


kccheif19 1399.839

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


jbergey22 1378.456

Phil Ivey (Main Event) - 2,695,000


cartman 1313.44

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


kingfc22 1279.829

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


hoopsguy 1025.681

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


larrymcg421 970.29

Phil Ivey - 2,695,000


Lathum 796.241

[jbergey22]

1. Daniel Negreanu(money man)
2. Chris Ferguson
3. Mike Matusow
4. Erick Lindgren
5. Phil Ivey(WSOP winner)
6. Phil Hellmuth
7. Allen Cunningham
8. Michael Mizrachi(no bracelet)
9. Barry Greenstein
10. Vanessa Selbst(female)

[Radii]

1. Phil Hellmuth
2. Chris Ferguson
3. Barry Greenstein
4. Tom Dwan (money man)
5. Allen Cunningham
6. Phil Ivey
7. Daniel Negreanu
8. Andy Bloch (Main event champ)
9. Justin Bonomo (No Bracelet)
10. Jennier Harman (female)

[hoopsguy]

1. Non-bracelet - Tom Dwan
2. Woman - Vanessa Selbst
3. Main Event - John Juanda
4. Money Man - Barry Greenstein

5. Allen Cunningham
6. Patrick Antonius
7. Phil Ivey
8. Phil Hellmuth
9. Phil Galfond
10. David Benyamine

[ntndeacon]

1. J.C. Tran (money man)
2. Scotty Nguyen
3. Eric Seidel
4. Jeff Madsen (Main event)
5. Men Nguyen
6. Barry Greenstein
7. Michael Binger (no bracelet)
8. Chris Ferguson
9. Daniel Negreanu
10. Kathy Liebert (woman)

[jbergey22]

Bump...

2 days left

[larrymcg421]

Tom Dwan (Bracelet)
Jennifer Harman (Female)
Phil Hellmuth (Money Man)
Phil Ivey
John Juanda (ME Winner)
Erick Lindgren
Mike Matusow
Layne Flack
David Benyamine
Scotty Nguyen

[QuikSand]

John Juanda (M/E)
Phil Ivey
Phil Hellmuth
Barry Greenstein
Daniel Negreanu ($)
Kathy Liebert
Allen Cunningham
Nam Le (N/B)
Tom Dwan
Erick Lindgren

[rockboy70]

Phil Hellmuth (Money Man)
Tom Dwan (Bracelet)
Kathy Liebert (woman)
Daniel Negreanu (M/E)
Allen Cunningham
Chris Ferguson
Eric Seidel
Huck Seed
Phil Ivey
Mike Matusow

[ntndeacon]

lary you need a main event winner and Quik needs a money man

[Radii]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

lary you need a main event winner and Quik needs a money man

looks like quik has negreanu has his money man.

[Comey]

Justin Bonomo (money man)
Theo Tran (bracelet)
Vanessa Rousso (woman)
Jeff Madsen (M/E)

5. Chris Ferguson
6. Tom Dwan
7. Elky Grospeller
8. Andrew Robl
9. Phil Ivey
10. Erick Lindgren

[kcchief19]

Phil Ivey
Daniel Negreanu
Phil Hellmuth
John Juanda (main event)
Scotty Nguyen (Money)
Bertrand Grospellier (bracelet)
Allen Cunningham
Barry Greenstein
Tom Dwan
Vanessa Rousso (female)

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Radii

looks like quik has negreanu has his money man.

Yes I see that now. I only saw three names mentioned and missed the symbol.

[ntndeacon]

Also what do we do about repeat Main event champs. I mean if two of us pick the same person and they win?

[cartman]

Andrew Bloch (no bracelet)
Phil Ivey
Daniel Negreanu
Danny Wong (money)
Jennifer Harman (female)
Scotty Ngyuen
Erik Seidel
Layne Flack
Johnny Chan
Gus Hansen (main event)

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Also what do we do about repeat Main event champs. I mean if two of us pick the same person and they win?

Co-winners.

[Lathum]

Chris Ferguson- Main Event
Phil Hellmuth- MoneyMan
Gus Hanson- Non braclet winner
anna wroblewski- Female

Daniel Negranue
Allen Cuunningham
John Pham
Joe Hachem
Nenad Medic
David Devilfish Ulliot

[MollyMurphy]

Vanessa Russo- Woman
Daniel Negranu-money man
Chris Ferguson
Phil Ivey
Phil Laak- Non Braclet
Mike Matasow
David Willams
Scotty Nguyen
Phil Hellmuth- Main Event
Gus Hansen

[kingfc22]

1. Chris Ferguson - $$$
2. Erik Seidel
3. Jeff Madsen
4. Erick Lindgren
5. Phil Ivey
6. Phil Hellmuth
7. Allen Cunningham - Main Event
8. Nam Le - N/B
9. J.C. Tran
10. Vanessa Rousso - Female

[Lathum]

40K buy in event today, should give some people an early lead since I would imagine the field will be all pros

[Comey]

They're in the money in the 40k...I've got two alive (Bonomo, Robl) and Rousso cashed for me. I'll take three cashing to get me started here.

[ntndeacon]

Tran was my only cash there but he counts twice.

[hoopsguy]

Ugh, I'm the only guy with Galfond, and he finishes 29th, 2 out of the money, in a 40K entry fee event.

[Comey]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Tran was my only cash there but he counts twice.

Same with Bonomo for me.

[kcchief19]

ZeeJustin is working out to be a great pick for Comey as money man in the very first event. I think Bonomo is a great player but he was still a douchebag cheater.

For all the first-day talk about Moneymaker, he collapsed day two pretty quickly and look who made the final table ... Greg Raymer.

[Lathum]

Well in fairness to Moneymaker he lost with QQ to Ak then his 1010 ran into KK. Not like he made bad plays, just lost a coinflip for a big pot.

[larrymcg421]

And I wouldn't say it was quick. There were 89 people left going into day two and he finished 38th.

[Lathum]

yeah, the term collapse is suggestive of him calling off all his money with AJ or something.

That being said I think Raymer is a better player and will be rooting for him.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Lathum

yeah, the term collapse is suggestive of him calling off all his money with AJ or something.

That being said I think Raymer is a better player and will be rooting for him.

Like John Shipley did in 2002. Now THAT was a collapse.

Yeah, I'm rooting for Raymer also.

[kcchief19]

I hadn't read the hand-by-hand breakdown -- the quick overview on Cardplayer characterized it as a quick collapse and I went with that.

Those big hands that knocked him out though did come after he had already leaked half his stack away. It wasn't like he got unlucky and went from chip lead to the door -- he gave up the chip lead, had to make moves and lost two big hands to hit the rail.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I hadn't read the hand-by-hand breakdown -- the quick overview on Cardplayer characterized it as a quick collapse and I went with that.

Those big hands that knocked him out though did come after he had already leaked half his stack away. It wasn't like he got unlucky and went from chip lead to the door -- he gave up the chip lead, had to make moves and lost two big hands to hit the rail.

IIRC he had over 800K when he lost to Tony G. and I would hardly call playing QQ making a move.

[digamma]

Late entry:

Negreanu (money)
Lindgren (main event)
Gavin Smith (no bracelet)
Ivey
Greenstein
Cunningham
Bernard Grosspelier
Vivek Rajkumar
Justin Bonomo
Vanessa Rouseau Brown (woman)

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Lathum

IIRC he had over 800K when he lost to Tony G. and I would hardly call playing QQ making a move.

Moneymaker Hurting After Tony G Double Up
Tony G was all in holding A-K against Chris Moneymaker’s pocket queens. The board ran out 8-6-2-K-J, giving Guoga the winning pair of kings and taking a huge chunk of Moneymaker’s stack.
After the hand, Moneymaker was down to just 230,000 while Guoga chipped up to over 830,000.

Cardplayer doesn't mention where Moneymaker was before the hand nor whothe blinds were. Even assuming Chris and Tony G were both in the blinds the most Moneymaker could have had at the time was 640k and would have been under $600 if others were in the blinds. His M would have been around 18 or so.

Cardplayer used colllapse and leaking to describe Moneymaker's play. Maybe they just hate Moneymaker but it sounds like same old Chris to me. He didn't make a bad play there and I think most of us would call in that spot in most circumstances. But he had been up over a million chips, so he'd already lost more than 40% of his stack before the Tony G or Ted Forrest knocking him out.

[Lathum]

you're pretty passionate about this

[kcchief19]

Not really. You and Larry seemed to think my read on it was wrong so I just wanted to see if I was. Whatever. Moving on.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Not really. You and Larry seemed to think my read on it was wrong so I just wanted to see if I was. Whatever. Moving on.

I forgot this

[larrymcg421]

Meh. I still think no one would describe it as a "collapse" if it was anyone but Moneymaker. It's not like he was gone early in day 2. He finished 10 short of the money.

I've just never understood the random hatred that Moneymaker gets, especially the bizaare criticisms of his play in the 2003 WSOP, which are so off the mark they've reached urban legend status.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, this is not exactly a formula for my success in this format. Only guy on my roster that I'm sole person holding is Phil Galfond, who posted this after his 29th place finish (27 paid) in 40K event.

I'm not sure what I'm gonna play next. I need to rethink my view on the WSOP, which I might go into in another blog. Long story short, I was miserable while playing the event, and completely fine when I busted out. Seems like something is wrong there.

In an earlier blog entry, right before the start of the event, he posted the following which made me take a stab at him:

My hiatus from poker has finally started to get me hungry to play again. Usually, a week without much action makes me really wanna play, but this has been almost 3 weeks I think. I'm finally starting to want to play. Good timing too. I'm gonna be playing nonstop for the next month and a half.

Anyway, I think my hopes at this point (just 4 tournaments in) rest with Greenstein hitting really big and Benyamine playing/cashing a lot of tournaments. Otherwise, there is too much overlap with the rest of everyone else for me to realistically win this thing.

[digamma]

Galfond's video blog on pokerroad continues this theme and he talks about how much he likes cash games more than tournaments.

[hoopsguy]

Cashes so far (overall, not mine specifically):
EVENT 2:
Bonomo $413,166
Tran $71,858
Rousso $71,858
Robl $71,858

EVENT 3:
Lindgren $6,566
Flack $5,651

EVENT 4:
Tran $8,062

EVENT 6:
Negreanu $36,267

EVENT 8:
Lindgren $4,094
Greenstein $4,094
Rousso $4,094
Ivey $96,361
Flack $8,453

EVENT 10:
Grospellier $6,293
Negreanu $5,074

EVENT 11:
Hellmuth $12,761

EVENT 12:
Seed $102,286
Binger $21,357

EVENT 13:
Ivey $18,467

EVENT 14:
Greenstein $5,360
Negreanu $138,280

EVENT 15:
Liebert $21,026
Seidel $21,026
Medic $17,086

EVENT 16:
Juanda $25,634

EVENT 18:
Negreanu $130,401

EVENT 19:
Flack $5,404
Lindgren $11,839
M. Nguyen $20,117

EVENT 20:
Liebert $4,795
Seidel $24,919

EVENT 21:
Greenstein $5,277
Smith $23,777

EVENT 23:
Juanda $75,964
Benyamine $30,492
Binger $24,545

EVENT 25:
Ivey $220,538
Smith $6,434

EVENT 26:
Greenstein $3,405
Bonomo $4,871

EVENT 27:
Bloch $17,495

EVENT 29:
Chan $92,580

EVENT 30:
Ivey $4,883
Tran $235,685
Juanda $24,207

EVENT 31:
Rousso $5,906

EVENT 32:
Binger $13,819

EVENT 33:
Harman $41,040

EVENT 34:
Cunningham $2,745
Ferguson $2,745
Hellmuth $3,231
Grospellier $30,398

EVENT 35:
Ulliott $18,732

EVENT 36:
Binger $5,090

EVENT 37:
S. Nguyen $33,668

EVENT 38:
Hellmuth $8,019
Negreanu $6,169

EVENT 40:
Lindgren $25,817
Greenstein $82,746
Medic $34,552

EVENT 41:
Ivey $16,740
Harmen $16,740

EVENT 42:
Flack $30,674
Binger $7,050

EVENT 45:
Seidel $24,066
Rousso $43,091

EVENT 46:
Matusow $7,411

EVENT 47:
Cunningham $14,714
Bloch $7,030
Greenstein $57,671
Negreanu $5,757
Madsen $4,739

EVENT 48:
Hellmuth $11,347

EVENT 49:
Seidel $162,382
Seed $276,610
Hansen $123,895

EVENT 51:
M. Nguyen $5,314

EVENT 52:
Medic $6,929
Liebert $8,037

EVENT 53:
Bloch $4,487
Greenstein $2,696
Negreanu $2,696
Bonomo $2,696

EVENT 54:
M. Nguyen $2,923

EVENT 55:
Negreanu $7,223
Juanda $44,941

EVENT 56:
Hellmuth $26,824
Bonomo $11,297

[Comey]

Cashes so far:

EVENT 2:

Bonomo $413,166 (money man)
Robl $71,858
Rousso $71,858

EVENT 3:

Lindgren $6,566

So far, so good.

[Radii]

Negreanu finished 10th in the $10k 7 stud event for ~$36,000

[hoopsguy]

Awfully good job by Negreanu to hang around that long, as he was really short stacked for what seemed like two days.

[Lathum]

anyone else watching the 1K final table.

Really good stuff, it's amazing how much better poker is to watch when there is no hole cam and its unedited

[hoopsguy]

Bump - want this back on the first page to make updating it a little easier.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

The Ivey win should help some people in this pool.

[hoopsguy]

12 of the 14 entries have Ivey. Disadvantage - NTN and Lathum.

[Lathum]

ah well.

When anna Wroblewski wins the main event I'll have my revenge!

[larrymcg421]

I'll try to get some scores updates this weekend.