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Old 05-13-2009, 03:44 PM   #1
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Sacred movie, long-term contest

There was a fun run in a recent thread about least-favorite sequels. It was fun for me, anyway, up until I hit a post that hit me like a ton of bricks: there was a sequel to Bachelor Party. Bachelor Party? Bachelor Party! I rose up and shouted to the heavens, "Is nothing sacred anymore?!!!!" After 2.3 seconds I realized that we're talking about Hollywood here, where the obvious answer was, "of course not, you fool."

But it got me to thinking: is there a sacred movie out there? Never a remake? Never a sequel? I thought this would make a fun long-term contest. Find a movie that has never had a sequel and never been remade. And when it's day comes, you fall out of the running. After interest in the thread has died, we leave the thread like a time capsule and exhume it every few years to see who is still standing.

To illustrate, I'll make my selection: The Incredibles. By all accounts, I should be one of the first people to lose. Surely there will be a sequel. The film could be absolute dog crap and it would clear a hundred mil, easy. Yet there's no sequel. Why? I think it's because Brad Bird believes he made a perfect movie and the thought of blemishing it in any way makes his stomach turn. And I respect that to no end. For him, that film is sacred.

So what have you got? Personally, I think it should probably be illegal to choose a movie based on a historical event because a remake could be consider simply a different take on a historical event rather than a remake. For example, I wouldn't consider Titanic a remake even though several films had been made with the same theme. On the other hand, The Last of the Mohechans was a remake because it was based on a book, as was the previous film.
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:56 PM   #2
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Interesting concept.


I would have to pick "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" I've always hated Last Man Standing for being a pseudo-ripoff of A Fistful of Dollars.

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is just a basic concept. Good vs. Evil with the nitwit thrown in there. Great story and epic movie, but no other movie has tried to match it. We've had a million buddy flicks, or good vs. evil, but nothing with the concept that this movie had.

I'm a big Spaghetti Western fan and would loathe the day someone tried to remake this.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:20 PM   #3
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I like the concept too. I'm in.

I'll stick with Eastwood and go with Kelly's Heroes. It's so chronologically disjointed (counter-culture characters in the middle of World War 2) that if anyone did try to remake it, I think they'd be doomed to failure.

And interestingly enough, if you think about it, the showdown with the tank at the end really is a "remake" of the showdown scene from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (the score is even the same IIRC), though that certainly isn't enough to disqualify ColtCrazy's nomination above.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:22 PM   #4
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actually, I also was going to go with Eastwood and say Unforgiven
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:27 PM   #5
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:27 PM   #6
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:32 PM   #7
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:38 PM   #8
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So it's settled...don't mess with Eastwood movies.

Kelly's Heroes would have been my 2nd choice. I see no way how that could be redone (though 3 Kings has some parallels it's not really close) and still be successful.

Unforgiven would be a toughie too.


And if you want to go away from Eastwood, I think Blazin' Saddles would be impossible to remake now.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:39 PM   #9
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I can think of a couple of movies you could not remake because of their plot twist (Fight Club) or the structure (Memento.)
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I can think of a couple of movies you could not remake because of their plot twist (Fight Club) or the structure (Memento.)

You could make the same argument about Psycho I think, but remember we are talking about $$$Hollywood$$$ here.
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Ok I'm kidding, Juno isn't a good candidate... but I'd probably pick something messed up like Southland Tales. No way that'll be re-made.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:48 PM   #12
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You could make the same argument about Psycho I think, but remember we are talking about $$$Hollywood$$$ here.

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Old 05-13-2009, 04:55 PM   #13
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To illustrate, I'll make my selection: The Incredibles. By all accounts, I should be one of the first people to lose. Surely there will be a sequel. The film could be absolute dog crap and it would clear a hundred mil, easy. Yet there's no sequel. Why? I think it's because Brad Bird believes he made a perfect movie and the thought of blemishing it in any way makes his stomach turn. And I respect that to no end. For him, that film is sacred.
It took four years for Toy Story 2, and that was a rush job that I don't think Pixar would do again. It will be 11 years for Toy Story 3. Pixar movies take about four years of development, so the sequels are slower. But I'd guess you will see The Incredibles 2 in the next decade. That might be fun to guess too ... what movie without a sequel or remake will get done next?

I was initially thinking that there are no sacred cows but I can see that there are some movies that will never be touched -- The Unforgiven guess is a good one.

In that vein, give me Dances With Wolves. God I hope no one touches that. Not because I loved the last one but the world doesn't need another three-hour Kevin Costner butt-nummer.

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Old 05-13-2009, 04:56 PM   #14
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I was about to say The Last Starfighter, but looks like a sequel is in the works...
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:57 PM   #15
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To illustrate, I'll make my selection: The Incredibles. By all accounts, I should be one of the first people to lose. Surely there will be a sequel. The film could be absolute dog crap and it would clear a hundred mil, easy. Yet there's no sequel. Why? I think it's because Brad Bird believes he made a perfect movie and the thought of blemishing it in any way makes his stomach turn. And I respect that to no end. For him, that film is sacred.
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It took four years for Toy Story 2, and that was a rush job that I don't think Pixar would do again. It will be 11 years for Toy Story 3. Pixar movies take about four years of development, so the sequels are slower. But I'd guess you will see The Incredibles 2 in the next decade. That might be fun to guess too ... what movie without a sequel or remake will get done next?

I was initially thinking that there are no sacred cows but I can see that there are some movies that will never be touched -- The Unforgiven guess is a good one.

In that vein, give me Dances With Wolves. God I hope no one touches that. Not because I loved the last one but the world doesn't need another three-hour Kevin Costner butt-nummer.
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Damn KC.. your first post was so good, you just had to go and F it up with a sequel didn't you?
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:06 PM   #18
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:53 PM   #19
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Old 05-13-2009, 06:19 PM   #21
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Reservoir Dogs would be my pick. Love the movie and it chills me to think of the characters being replaced by today's young Hollywood actors. I just think they'd glitz and stylize it up too much and lose the essence of the movie.

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Old 05-13-2009, 06:26 PM   #22
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Interesting concept.


I would have to pick "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" I've always hated Last Man Standing for being a pseudo-ripoff of A Fistful of Dollars.

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is just a basic concept. Good vs. Evil with the nitwit thrown in there. Great story and epic movie, but no other movie has tried to match it. We've had a million buddy flicks, or good vs. evil, but nothing with the concept that this movie had.

I'm a big Spaghetti Western fan and would loathe the day someone tried to remake this.

Kinda funny, considering 'Fistfull of Dollars' is nearly a scene-for-scene remake of the samurai movie 'Yojimbo'.
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And The Good, The Bad and the Ugly is the third film in the "Dollars" trilogy.
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unless they decide to to a sequel...

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Pulp Fiction...unless I read the rules wrong (completely possible), book it. They would remake Reservoir Dogs before they remade Pulp Fiction, and they would make a sequel before they ever made a Pulp Fiction sequel.

EDIT: I guess a sequel to Reservoir Dogs would be pretty tough, seeing as how pretty much everyone died. The only way to make a sequel I'd guess would be involving Harvey Keitel's son (may not even exist). Of course, it would be an abomination.
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I hate to break this to you, but this movie has a sequel: Every Which Way You Can.
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I hate to break this to you, but this movie has a sequel: Every Which Way You Can.

Sigh. Any Which Way You Can.

And The Incredibles was clearly set up for a sequel at the end. How that could be considered "sacred" is beyond me.

Highlander would have been my choice until they destroyed it. Kelly's Heroes was an inspired choice above.

When you gave the Last of the Mohicans, it wasn't because it was based on a book right, but rather that there was another movie based on the same book? If that's the case, I'm choosing:

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Does that count given that they went back and edited it? Just the removal of the shotguns seems like a violation of the "Is nothing sacred?" principal.
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Good one. I can only hope that Hollywood knows to leave well enough alone, especially when it comes to a damn-near perfect movie.
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Sigh. Any Which Way You Can.

And The Incredibles was clearly set up for a sequel at the end. How that could be considered "sacred" is beyond me.

Highlander would have been my choice until they destroyed it. Kelly's Heroes was an inspired choice above.

When you gave the Last of the Mohicans, it wasn't because it was based on a book right, but rather that there was another movie based on the same book? If that's the case, I'm choosing:

The Princess Bride

yes, "any". realized it right when i hit the submit button, but figured someone else would correct me.

As for the set-up to an Incredibles sequel, that's exactly my point. Every day that goes by is a miracle that the sequel hasn't been made yet. It's sacred and that's final.

And yes, I said Mohicans because it was based on the same work as the previous movie, and therefore it was a remake, whereas Titanic was merely based on the same event.

As for Princess Bride, I like that pick. Very risky, could be remade. I'm seeing Orlando Bloom. And are we completely sure there was never a straight-to-video sequel?
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Pulp Fiction...unless I read the rules wrong (completely possible), book it. They would remake Reservoir Dogs before they remade Pulp Fiction, and they would make a sequel before they ever made a Pulp Fiction sequel.

EDIT: I guess a sequel to Reservoir Dogs would be pretty tough, seeing as how pretty much everyone died. The only way to make a sequel I'd guess would be involving Harvey Keitel's son (may not even exist). Of course, it would be an abomination.

True...I was thinking more along the lines of a remake and not so much as a sequel. But, Mr. Pink did make a getaway. Hmmmm....

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Pulp Fiction...unless I read the rules wrong (completely possible), book it. They would remake Reservoir Dogs before they remade Pulp Fiction, and they would make a sequel before they ever made a Pulp Fiction sequel.

EDIT: I guess a sequel to Reservoir Dogs would be pretty tough, seeing as how pretty much everyone died. The only way to make a sequel I'd guess would be involving Harvey Keitel's son (may not even exist). Of course, it would be an abomination.

There was some talk of a Vega Brothers movie a few years past. And when you consider that both PF and RD live in the same universe(i think it's the "Realer than real world") it's not much of a stretch that PF or RD would become at least somewhat incorportated into a new picture at some point in the future.
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There was some talk of a Vega Brothers movie a few years past. And when you consider that both PF and RD live in the same universe(i think it's the "Realer than real world") it's not much of a stretch that PF or RD would become at least somewhat incorportated into a new picture at some point in the future.

Oh yeah I forgot about that Vega Brothers concept with...was it Michael Madsen?
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This was my default initial answer as well. I did go and do some research in case I missed something that would disqualify it already and I didn't see anything, but...

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The epilogue to some later editions of the novel, notably the 25th anniversary edition, mentions a sequel, Buttercup's Baby, that was having trouble getting published because of legal difficulties with S. Morgenstern's estate. This sequel seems to be just as fictional as S. Morgenstern's unabridged edition, though later editions actually reprint Goldman's "sample chapter"[3]


The chapter consists of a disjointed assemblage of stories about the quartet's escape to 'One Tree Island', and the eventual kidnapping of Waverly, Westley and Buttercup's daughter, by a skinless-faced 'madman' who eventually throws her off a mountainside. The chapter ends with Fezzik, Waverly's appointed babysitter, leaping off the mountain to save her, and then cradling her to preserve her from the impact that seems certain to spell at least Fezzik's doom. Also noteworthy is a flashback to Inigo's past, his training as a swordsman, and his one-time romantic love interest.

The 30th anniversary edition of The Princess Bride included hints to the sequel's plot, and a promise to have the full version completed before a 35th anniversary edition (2009).
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MPM: I hear you're working on a sequel to The Princess Bride called Buttercup's Baby.
William Goldman: I desperately want to write it, and I sit there and nothing happens and I get pissed at myself. I got lucky with The Princess Bride the first time, and I'd love to get lucky again.[4]

I simply can't see a remake being done, but if he finishes Buttercup's Baby, I'm sure somebody would be itching to put that on film. Goldman is 77 so he may not have another novel in him anyway.
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Another good stipulation would be that the movie could easily be sequelized. The main character dying in a period piece is just not a good jumping off point. Now if that person had a brother or something that was focused on its more legit

Anyways. I will pick Leon (the Professional). Plenty of room to make a Matilde movie. I doubt it happens.
For a more popular movie I will pick Independence Day. ID5 could easily happen but I will bet not.
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