POLL: Did you buy Jim's card game?

DeToxRox · 10-13-2008, 05:31 PM

Simple really.

I totally forgot about the card game until looking at his site, and I was curious how many FOFC'ers ended up buying it after the uproar over the games announcement.

samifan24 · 10-13-2008, 05:44 PM

I voted no. I'm sure it was as well done as Jim's games but I just don't have interest in any type of card game.

DeToxRox · 10-13-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

I voted no. I'm sure it was as well done as Jim's games but I just don't have interest in any type of card game.

Agreed.

This poll is nothing against Jim, I was just curious because I remembered the game was not well recieved by the FOFC community upon announcement.

Icy · 10-13-2008, 05:53 PM

No, i have zero interest on cards games, i play mainly sports or strategic games (business, management, wargames).

Abe Sargent · 10-13-2008, 05:53 PM

Not even a little bit. I have never purchased an electronic card game in my life, its just not my genre.

CU Tiger · 10-13-2008, 08:30 PM

Is this the first unanimous poll in FOFC history?

VPI97 · 10-13-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Is this the first unanimous poll in FOFC history?

Shurg...I bought it.

flounder · 10-13-2008, 08:40 PM

I bought it too. I got my $9.99 worth.

FBPro · 10-13-2008, 10:35 PM

First of his games I have not purchased, I have zero interest in cards and/or poker.

RedKingGold · 10-13-2008, 11:07 PM

Voted no. I'm waiting for future patches to come out before purchasing the game.

Dutch · 10-14-2008, 12:57 AM

I bought it, played it about 2 or 3 times. It seemed to be implemented properly, but it's not my kind of (card or computer) game.

stevew · 10-14-2008, 12:59 AM

I think an Affliction based card game would go over well with the people here.

Anthony · 10-14-2008, 07:10 AM

i think the blunder Jim made is he really believed the people who often posted "i would buy anything from Solecismic". he probably thought with it being priced cheaply compared to his other games it'd sell more. i think a game like that shouldn't be priced any higher than $4.99. at $10 you only need to throw in a couple more dollars and you can buy a DVD. maybe even a cheap used video game. $4.99 is a better pricepoint cuz then you would draw in more of the "i don't care if i don't ever play the game, i just want to support Solecismic" crowd. at which point its a donation, essentially. i'm sure he put a lot of work into it so i'm not knocking the effort. you'd think he'd have polled people around here and gauged the interest in such a product. since he doesn't market his game and is hype-adverse, we're the only people who know about the card game so you'd think he'd cater to this crowd's interests a little more.

if it was a RPG card game i'd have considered buying it. i haven't ever owned such a card set before so i'd have spent $10 on something like that.

DeToxRox · 10-14-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I think an Affliction based card game would go over well with the people here.

I'll kill you.

Anthony · 10-14-2008, 10:42 AM

this woulda been a great easter-egg hidden game in FOF. unlock the Up and Down The River card game and you get to play it with the players with the highest intelligence ratings in your universe. almost like a celebrity card game. now that's a treat.

Mustang · 10-14-2008, 10:58 AM

If it was a card based game like Armageddon Empires, I would have purchased, but regular card games aren't my thing.

DanGarion · 10-14-2008, 11:27 AM

Only card games I own are Fluxx and Chrononauts.

lordscarlet · 10-14-2008, 12:55 PM

The reality, however, is that the success of the game is not measured by how many members of FOFC bought it.

stevew · 10-14-2008, 01:03 PM

I'd definitely buy a tabletop strategy card game if he made one. We've bought quite a few niche type ones from target over the past couple years.

Anthony · 10-14-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

The reality, however, is that the success of the game is not measured by how many members of FOFC bought it.

actually it is. since Solecismic don't market their games the only way for the company to get the word out on new games is by their outdated website and here. its not like Solecismic is going on cardplaying forums promoting the game, like how developers for other games promote their products here. since the Solecismic website isn't updated frequently enough nor do they have their own forum it's not likely they have a large group of people who constantly stop by that 1995 looking site looking for new content. quite frankly this is the only place Jim's got.

i can't imagine there's a huge market of people out there googling "up and down the river" and magically stumbling upon the solecismic website. and if this poll can be considered representative of the internet as a whole for every 100 people who've heard of the game, there's about 2 people buying it. it is so very unlikely that there's a huge group of people who not only don't come to FOFC, but they are magically the ones not part of this community that are buying the game. i think you'd have to take the poll numbers here and apply it to the non-FOFCers as well.

Ben E Lou · 10-14-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

actually it is. since Solecismic don't market their games the only way for the company to get the word out on new games is by their outdated website and here. its not like Solecismic is going on cardplaying forums promoting the game, like how developers for other games promote their products here. since the Solecismic website isn't updated frequently enough nor do they have their own forum it's not likely they have a large group of people who constantly stop by that 1995 looking site looking for new content. quite frankly this is the only place Jim's got.

i can't imagine there's a huge market of people out there googling "up and down the river" and magically stumbling upon the solecismic website. and if this poll can be considered representative of the internet as a whole for every 100 people who've heard of the game, there's about 2 people buying it. it is so very unlikely that there's a huge group of people who not only don't come to FOFC, but they are magically the ones not part of this community that are buying the game. i think you'd have to take the poll numbers here and apply it to the non-FOFCers as well.

Anthony is so cute when he's dead wrong.

http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/G...the_River.html

Ben E Lou · 10-14-2008, 01:23 PM

(Now I'm quite certain that ain't 401 human downloads this week, but the idea that FOFC or Solecismic.com are the only places you can go to hear about this product is just completely and totally incorrect.)

MIJB#19 · 10-14-2008, 01:36 PM

Apples and oranges

Anthony · 10-14-2008, 01:52 PM

this shows nothing. show me the "number of purchases this week" stat and then we can have a conversation.

i'm sure we're getting new members in this forum all the time, but for stat tracking it'd be great to see how many new people we're getting that are coming here as a result of Solecismic products themselves and not to join a Hot Or Not poll. unfortunately our move to OS would skew those stats, since there's probably some new people who are OS regulars that are stopping by. i really would love to poll the people who've signed up in the last 6 months if they signed up for the General Discussion portion or if they've signed up to talk about Solecismic games.

Solecismic is like the guy at the party who keeps striking out with the ladies. his friends would say "you got no game", but he'll just say "this party is not representative of the amount of ass i get outside. just cuz it doesn't seem like much at this party doesn't mean i'm not getting all the poon i can handle".

Ben E Lou · 10-14-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

actually it is. since Solecismic don't market their games the only way for the company to get the word out on new games is by their outdated website and here.

*shurg*

Young Drachma · 10-14-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

this shows nothing. show me the "number of purchases this week" stat and then we can have a conversation.

i'm sure we're getting new members in this forum all the time, but for stat tracking it'd be great to see how many new people we're getting that are coming here as a result of Solecismic products themselves and not to join a Hot Or Not poll. unfortunately our move to OS would skew those stats, since there's probably some new people who are OS regulars that are stopping by. i really would love to poll the people who've signed up in the last 6 months if they signed up for the General Discussion portion or if they've signed up to talk about Solecismic games.

Solecismic is like the guy at the party who keeps striking out with the ladies. his friends would say "you got no game", but he'll just say "this party is not representative of the amount of ass i get outside. just cuz it doesn't seem like much at this party doesn't mean i'm not getting all the poon i can handle".

And yet, even with all of the horrible problems in his life based on your assessments which reflect the fact that he probably should curl up in a ball, take his monochrome 8-bit color web site and die, he's spent 10 years doing what the hell he wants to, based on a game that if it didn't exist we wouldn't be posting here.

Yeah, I'd say that he's an absolute failure.

Party on, man. Party on.

Ben E Lou · 10-14-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

And yet, even with all of the horrible problems in his life based on your assessments which reflect the fact that he probably should curl up in a ball, take his monochrome 8-bit color web site and die, he's spent 10 years doing what the hell he wants to, based on a game that if it didn't exist we wouldn't be posting here.

Yeah, I'd say that he's an absolute failure.

Party on, man. Party on.

Dark Cloud wins the thread.

Anthony · 10-14-2008, 02:12 PM

10 years ago i had a full head of hair. what good does that do me now?

i'm not knocking the company or anything, we all would love to quit the real world and do what we liked. that has nothing to do with the topic.

Ben E Lou · 10-14-2008, 02:15 PM

not the original topic...but it does have to do with your posts...

Raiders Army · 10-14-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

i think the blunder Jim made is he really believed the people who often posted "i would buy anything from Solecismic".

Where to begin here? I was one of those people that you're talking about. Without trying to sound like a hypocrite or a liar, I always did think I would buy anything from Solecismic. When the card game was announced and when it went on sale I thought about buying it to support Jim. That being said, I didn't.

Why not? Well, the big reason was that I was trying to make a statement by NOT buying it. I want Jim to make football games. Any "encouragement" in another direction means that he won't have time to devote to another football game. Being that the market for text-sim football games is quite small, I'd rather have one of the few developers out there devote his time to a game I enjoy rather than one I probably wouldn't.

I say probably wouldn't because I didn't even download the demo. I wonder out of all the people who answered "no" to the poll, how many of you downloaded the demo?

If Jim were to price his next football game at $60 I would buy it without hesitation. But if the next card game were $5, it still wouldn't get my money.

Flame away.

Sun Tzu · 10-14-2008, 04:12 PM

no

stfu

JonInMiddleGA · 10-14-2008, 04:32 PM

An interesting question (that we probably won't know the answer to, nor is it any of our business really) would be whether Jim expected more or less than roughly 5% of FOFC'ers to buy the card game.

If I were to guess, I'd figure the expectation was that amount or less so I imagine our relevance is about what it was anticipated to be.

lordscarlet · 10-14-2008, 04:39 PM

So, the funny thing is that I am on the record as not buying into Jim's outdated business model, lack of a modern website and lack of features to help the multiplayer community. Having said that, I am repeating the retorts given to my arguments back to Anthony. From everything I have ever been told, Jim's bread and butter is not this board or its users. It is not the multiplayer community. He gets far more sales from single player users that likely never visit this site. That has always been my understanding. Do I think this maximizes his potential customer base? No. However, if he truly does have sales well beyond the user base at FOFC, your (Anthony) arguments are completely meaningless. I don't know how many units of Down the River, FOF or TCY Jim has sold (and I don't think any of us will ever know), but if he is making enough money to support the lifestyle he desires, who cares if FOFC buys Down the River?

Subby · 10-14-2008, 04:56 PM

Well while we are rampantly speculating, maybe Solecismic isn't Jim's primary source of income anymore.

Sun Tzu · 10-14-2008, 04:57 PM

I've just kind of assumed that for years now.

lordscarlet · 10-14-2008, 05:00 PM

I am working with what we know. Jim, to my knowledge, has always said that it is his sole source of income. If that is not true, that could certainly change things a bit.

lighthousekeeper · 10-14-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I've just kind of assumed that for years now.

+1 (or his wife...sweet gig)

Buccaneer · 10-14-2008, 06:24 PM

I recall, maybe incorrectly, that while Jim was in NH, he was doing some database programming on the side for a Boston company.

View Poll Results: Did you buy Jim's card game?
Yes	7	4.02%
No	167	95.98%
Voters: 174. You may not vote on this poll

10-13-2008, 05:44 PM	#2
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	I voted no. I'm sure it was as well done as Jim's games but I just don't have interest in any type of card game. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

10-13-2008, 05:53 PM	#4
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	No, i have zero interest on cards games, i play mainly sports or strategic games (business, management, wargames). __________________

10-13-2008, 05:53 PM	#5
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Not even a little bit. I have never purchased an electronic card game in my life, its just not my genre. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-13-2008, 10:35 PM	#9
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	First of his games I have not purchased, I have zero interest in cards and/or poker. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

10-13-2008, 08:30 PM	#6
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Is this the first unanimous poll in FOFC history?

10-13-2008, 08:40 PM	#8
flounder High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lynchburg, VA	I bought it too. I got my $9.99 worth.

10-13-2008, 11:07 PM	#10
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Voted no. I'm waiting for future patches to come out before purchasing the game.

10-14-2008, 12:57 AM	#11
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I bought it, played it about 2 or 3 times. It seemed to be implemented properly, but it's not my kind of (card or computer) game.

10-14-2008, 12:59 AM	#12
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I think an Affliction based card game would go over well with the people here.

10-14-2008, 07:10 AM	#13
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i think the blunder Jim made is he really believed the people who often posted "i would buy anything from Solecismic". he probably thought with it being priced cheaply compared to his other games it'd sell more. i think a game like that shouldn't be priced any higher than $4.99. at $10 you only need to throw in a couple more dollars and you can buy a DVD. maybe even a cheap used video game. $4.99 is a better pricepoint cuz then you would draw in more of the "i don't care if i don't ever play the game, i just want to support Solecismic" crowd. at which point its a donation, essentially. i'm sure he put a lot of work into it so i'm not knocking the effort. you'd think he'd have polled people around here and gauged the interest in such a product. since he doesn't market his game and is hype-adverse, we're the only people who know about the card game so you'd think he'd cater to this crowd's interests a little more. if it was a RPG card game i'd have considered buying it. i haven't ever owned such a card set before so i'd have spent $10 on something like that.

10-14-2008, 10:42 AM	#15
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	this woulda been a great easter-egg hidden game in FOF. unlock the Up and Down The River card game and you get to play it with the players with the highest intelligence ratings in your universe. almost like a celebrity card game. now that's a treat.

10-14-2008, 10:58 AM	#16
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	If it was a card based game like Armageddon Empires, I would have purchased, but regular card games aren't my thing. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

10-14-2008, 11:27 AM	#17
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	Only card games I own are Fluxx and Chrononauts. __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

10-14-2008, 12:55 PM	#18
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	The reality, however, is that the success of the game is not measured by how many members of FOFC bought it. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

10-14-2008, 01:03 PM	#19
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'd definitely buy a tabletop strategy card game if he made one. We've bought quite a few niche type ones from target over the past couple years.

10-14-2008, 01:23 PM	#22
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	(Now I'm quite certain that ain't 401 human downloads this week, but the idea that FOFC or Solecismic.com are the only places you can go to hear about this product is just completely and totally incorrect.) __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-14-2008, 01:36 PM	#23
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	Apples and oranges __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

10-14-2008, 01:52 PM	#24
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	this shows nothing. show me the "number of purchases this week" stat and then we can have a conversation. i'm sure we're getting new members in this forum all the time, but for stat tracking it'd be great to see how many new people we're getting that are coming here as a result of Solecismic products themselves and not to join a Hot Or Not poll. unfortunately our move to OS would skew those stats, since there's probably some new people who are OS regulars that are stopping by. i really would love to poll the people who've signed up in the last 6 months if they signed up for the General Discussion portion or if they've signed up to talk about Solecismic games. Solecismic is like the guy at the party who keeps striking out with the ladies. his friends would say "you got no game", but he'll just say "this party is not representative of the amount of ass i get outside. just cuz it doesn't seem like much at this party doesn't mean i'm not getting all the poon i can handle".

10-14-2008, 02:12 PM	#28
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	10 years ago i had a full head of hair. what good does that do me now? i'm not knocking the company or anything, we all would love to quit the real world and do what we liked. that has nothing to do with the topic.

10-14-2008, 02:15 PM	#29
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	not the original topic...but it does have to do with your posts... __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-14-2008, 04:12 PM	#31
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	no stfu __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

10-14-2008, 04:32 PM	#32
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	An interesting question (that we probably won't know the answer to, nor is it any of our business really) would be whether Jim expected more or less than roughly 5% of FOFC'ers to buy the card game. If I were to guess, I'd figure the expectation was that amount or less so I imagine our relevance is about what it was anticipated to be. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

10-14-2008, 04:39 PM	#33
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	So, the funny thing is that I am on the record as not buying into Jim's outdated business model, lack of a modern website and lack of features to help the multiplayer community. Having said that, I am repeating the retorts given to my arguments back to Anthony. From everything I have ever been told, Jim's bread and butter is not this board or its users. It is not the multiplayer community. He gets far more sales from single player users that likely never visit this site. That has always been my understanding. Do I think this maximizes his potential customer base? No. However, if he truly does have sales well beyond the user base at FOFC, your (Anthony) arguments are completely meaningless. I don't know how many units of Down the River, FOF or TCY Jim has sold (and I don't think any of us will ever know), but if he is making enough money to support the lifestyle he desires, who cares if FOFC buys Down the River? __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

10-14-2008, 04:56 PM	#34
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Well while we are rampantly speculating, maybe Solecismic isn't Jim's primary source of income anymore. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

10-14-2008, 04:57 PM	#35
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	I've just kind of assumed that for years now. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

10-14-2008, 05:00 PM	#36
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	I am working with what we know. Jim, to my knowledge, has always said that it is his sole source of income. If that is not true, that could certainly change things a bit. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

10-14-2008, 06:24 PM	#38
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I recall, maybe incorrectly, that while Jim was in NH, he was doing some database programming on the side for a Boston company.

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