FM vs. WWSM: Which will you buy?

samifan24 · 10-02-2008, 05:27 PM

Once again the FM/WWSM release date is near. I know that the game itself is the same but there are those who will only buy FM because apparently some mods are FM-only and also because some have said that patches are released for FM first (not sure on this though). So, which will you buy this year, FM or WWSM? Why?

Big Fo · 10-02-2008, 05:51 PM

I'll pay $10-15 more for FM over WWSM due to being able to use third-party programs and getting patches sooner but if it turns out to be more than $20 difference I'll probably get WWSM again this year. This is also assuming the two versions release on the same day. If the UK version is out a week or more sooner, it would negate the extra shipping time required which is is one of the downsides for choosing FM.

Raiders Army · 10-02-2008, 06:00 PM

Voted for no buy this year because I got 2008 and never played it.

Shepp · 10-02-2008, 07:11 PM

FM...I was in the "no buy" camp but 3D match engine is to much to resist.

samifan24 · 10-02-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shepp

FM...I was in the "no buy" camp but 3D match engine is to much to resist.

You are aware that both games have the 3D match engine, right?

Shepp · 10-02-2008, 07:57 PM

I really never considered WWSM as an option. When the day arrives that the patches arrive at the same time as FM, then I will consider it.

DaddyTorgo · 10-02-2008, 07:58 PM

i gotta figure this out sometime soon

sabotai · 10-02-2008, 08:00 PM

I thought someone said (in the earlier FM 09 thread) that the patches for FM and WWSM came out at the same time last year.

EDIT: Searched and Sweed said they came out the same day, so blame him if this is wrong.

samifan24 · 10-02-2008, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabotai

I thought someone said (in the earlier FM 09 thread) that the patches for FM and WWSM came out at the same time last year.

EDIT: Searched and Sweed said they came out the same day, so blame him if this is wrong.

If this is true I see no reason to pay more for FM since all logo and face packs should work for WWSM as well.

sabotai · 10-02-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

If this is true I see no reason to pay more for FM since all logo and face packs should work for WWSM as well.

They do (or at least have the times I've used them). It's just putting images into the correct directory. It's the 3rd party editors that don't work sometimes (they look specifically for the FM directories).

path12 · 10-02-2008, 11:17 PM

Not sure yet but since WWSM will likely be cheaper and since I only download logos and skins I'll probably get that again. I had no problems with it for 08.

Sweed · 10-03-2008, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Shepp

I really never considered WWSM as an option. When the day arrives that the patches arrive at the same time as FM, then I will consider it.

I have wwsm 2008 and the patches did come out at the same time as FM last year. Miles posted before release last year that this would be the case barring any technical difficulties. The only slow down was there were less people posting mirrors for wwsm, not surprising. But the SI servers were noticeably faster and I had no problem getting the download completed in a matter of minutes.

Ter posted in response to me that this is their goal again for this year. I'm guessing Sega has pushed this after all of the complaints and the many US players stating they, like you, would not support wwsm because of the different patch release times.

FrogMan · 10-03-2008, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

I'll pay $10-15 more for FM over WWSM due to being able to use third-party programs and getting patches sooner but if it turns out to be more than $20 difference I'll probably get WWSM again this year. This is also assuming the two versions release on the same day. If the UK version is out a week or more sooner, it would negate the extra shipping time required which is is one of the downsides for choosing FM.

best price I ever found for FM was £24.95 + £4 for shipping, so let's say £29 or about $51.28 while you can get WWSM for $30 with free shipping. Amazon even had WWSM2008 at some sort of low price around Xmas time last year, like $10 or $20.

As for patches, yup, they all came out on the same day last year...

FM

Sweed · 10-03-2008, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

I'll pay $10-15 more for FM over WWSM due to being able to use third-party programs and getting patches sooner but if it turns out to be more than $20 difference I'll probably get WWSM again this year. This is also assuming the two versions release on the same day. If the UK version is out a week or more sooner, it would negate the extra shipping time required which is is one of the downsides for choosing FM.

Same boat here. I was going to import FM this year as Amazons initial price was $39.99. However now importing FM would cost me approx $60-65. From amazon WWSM approx $34 shipped. I went with wwsm

George · 10-03-2008, 07:50 AM

Preordered WWSM from Amazon.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-03-2008, 08:03 AM

I voted for no buy right now as I'm still playing WWSM 08 quite a bit. If there were to be a sale over the holidays that drops it to a lower price, I might consider a purchase. But right now, I've invested 25 years of coaching (game years of course) into WWSM '08 and I'm really into this universe and its players.

Sgran · 10-03-2008, 08:10 AM

Oops. I hit FM, but didn't realize there was a "not this year" option. I will buy the game when the price drops, whether that's next year or the year after.
To give you some idea of my habits, I just bought OOTP 2008 when I found out it was 20 bucks.

samifan24 · 10-08-2008, 06:37 PM

I just noticed that Amazon.com lists November 1 as the WWSM release date despite the fact that I've read November 14 just about everywhere else. Any idea what's going on there?

DaddyTorgo · 10-08-2008, 07:27 PM

idk why amazon lists that, but i'm ordering tonight now that i got my new credit card in the mail

MrBug708 · 10-08-2008, 07:38 PM

samifan24 · 10-08-2008, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

idk why amazon lists that, but i'm ordering tonight now that i got my new credit card in the mail

Which game?

DaddyTorgo · 10-08-2008, 08:07 PM

lol - WWSM

BYU 14 · 10-09-2008, 01:55 PM

I am still getting lots of mileage out of 2008, should last me until next years version.

Cringer · 10-09-2008, 01:58 PM

I refuse to answer this poll until it is in the Soccer Text Sims forum. I like structure and order, this poll is creating chaos.

Big Fo · 10-09-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

I refuse to answer this poll until it is in the Soccer Text Sims forum. I like structure and order, this poll is creating chaos.

One big forum ftw, bring the soccer and baseball text-sim threads back into off topic.

samifan24 · 10-09-2008, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo

One big forum ftw, bring the soccer and baseball text-sim threads back into off topic.

+1

End the segregation, end the madness!!!

gstelmack · 10-09-2008, 06:14 PM

You could just grab it from Steam you know:

Steam News

Cringer · 10-10-2008, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo

One big forum ftw, bring the soccer and baseball text-sim threads back into off topic.

I like the new forums, when they are used for the stuff they are meant for. Like this.

gi · 10-10-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

I'll pay $10-15 more for FM over WWSM due to being able to use third-party programs and getting patches sooner but if it turns out to be more than $20 difference I'll probably get WWSM again this year. This is also assuming the two versions release on the same day. If the UK version is out a week or more sooner, it would negate the extra shipping time required which is is one of the downsides for choosing FM.

Same here, probably wait until later this year and pick up the FM version.

Desnudo · 10-10-2008, 11:04 AM

FM and wait for the first patch

DaddyTorgo · 10-10-2008, 11:34 AM

idk how you people can wait

FM-arrival day is like my Christmas. Shit no, it's better than my Christmas.

George · 10-10-2008, 11:42 AM

Just got an email from Amazon pushing back the release date for WWSM.

Release date: 11/18/2008
Estimated arrival date: 12/02/2008 - 12/08/2008

Pumpy Tudors · 10-10-2008, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

idk how you people can wait

FM-arrival day is like my Christmas. Shit no, it's better than my Christmas.

I can wait because I always end up shelving the game until at least one patch is out, which can be a month or two after release.

DaddyTorgo · 10-10-2008, 12:05 PM

I see Pumpy. I usually use the first month or two to just mess-around in-game and make sure that I understand all of the nuances of the new additions, that way when the patch is released I'm ready to hit the ground running with my serious-career with a minimum of screwups.

samifan24 · 10-10-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I can wait because I always end up shelving the game until at least one patch is out, which can be a month or two after release.

Have past releases been unplayable until patched? If so, I haven't noticed this, although I typically only play a very small career with a handful of leagues/nations active.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-10-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Have past releases been unplayable until patched? If so, I haven't noticed this, although I typically only play a very small career with a handful of leagues/nations active.

No, it's not that the game is unplayable. It's just that there are sometimes big thiings like contracts getting out of whack or a significant flaw in the match engine, and I don't particularly want to take a chance on those things affecting my game. I'm sure you know that the patch changelists are usually huge, and while very few (if any) of the fixed bugs are something I'd notice, I'd just rather wait until they're fixed before I try to play.

DaddyTorgo · 10-10-2008, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samifan24

Have past releases been unplayable until patched? If so, I haven't noticed this, although I typically only play a very small career with a handful of leagues/nations active.

They haven't been unplayable. Far from it really. The bugs tend to be minimal, or to be in such odd situations that you'd rarely notice them (ie "all Serbian strikers born on July 23rd have abnormally high speed+acceleration"). Nothing that really renders the game UNPLAYABLE, although there have been issues in the past where GK's maybe don't come out to challenge breakaway's soon enough, leading to breakaways resulting in an abnormally high # of goals (but how many places in the standings will that cost you over the course of a season all other things being equal?). Stuff like that.

Big Fo · 10-10-2008, 04:32 PM

In past releases a lot of the more annoying bugs have been match engine related. Although I have not played FM Live, I hear the match engine has been beefed up a lot from FM 08 through continuous fine-tuning of that game, and that FM 09 will benefit from that. So hopefully this means a better experience for those who buy the game day one/week one this year.

Sweed · 10-11-2008, 09:51 PM

I voted for WWSM, is it to late to change my vote?

Someone on the SI boards just posted a link to buying FM2009 from a US based company, GoGamer.com. Pre-order price $27.90, add $4.99 for priority USPS delivery (3-5 days) for a grand total of $32.89

Here's the link..
GoGamer.com

I know WWSM and FM are the same game but still have to say I'm excited to get my first "real McCoy" FM. Beats the hell out of the $55-$65 I was thinking about spending importing from the UK. Only drawback is according to the site they aren't releasing\shipping until Nov 17 so I'll be waiting an extra week to play. I can live with that

Big Fo · 10-11-2008, 10:02 PM

Nice find there. It only comes out three days later than in the UK so once shipping is factored in you'll get it around the same time as you would importing while paying an American price.

gstelmack · 10-12-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

You could just grab it from Steam you know:

Steam News

Sigh. Looks like its WWSM on Steam here in the States, so you still have the choice to make.

View Poll Results: Which game will you buy?
FM 2009	18	32.73%
WWSM 2009	16	29.09%
Not sure which one yet	6	10.91%
I don't intend to buy either game this year	14	25.45%
I'd rather spend my money on some high quality trout	1	1.82%
Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll

10-02-2008, 08:00 PM	#8
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I thought someone said (in the earlier FM 09 thread) that the patches for FM and WWSM came out at the same time last year. EDIT: Searched and Sweed said they came out the same day, so blame him if this is wrong. Last edited by sabotai : 10-02-2008 at 08:04 PM.

10-02-2008, 11:17 PM	#11
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Not sure yet but since WWSM will likely be cheaper and since I only download logos and skins I'll probably get that again. I had no problems with it for 08. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-03-2008, 08:10 AM	#17
Sgran High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Budapest	Oops. I hit FM, but didn't realize there was a "not this year" option. I will buy the game when the price drops, whether that's next year or the year after. To give you some idea of my habits, I just bought OOTP 2008 when I found out it was 20 bucks. __________________ What the hell is Mike Brown diagramming for them during timeouts? Is he like the guy from "Memento" or something? Guys, I just thought of something … what if we ran a high screen for LeBron?

10-08-2008, 06:37 PM	#18
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	I just noticed that Amazon.com lists November 1 as the WWSM release date despite the fact that I've read November 14 just about everywhere else. Any idea what's going on there? __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

10-02-2008, 05:51 PM	#2
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	I'll pay $10-15 more for FM over WWSM due to being able to use third-party programs and getting patches sooner but if it turns out to be more than $20 difference I'll probably get WWSM again this year. This is also assuming the two versions release on the same day. If the UK version is out a week or more sooner, it would negate the extra shipping time required which is is one of the downsides for choosing FM.

10-02-2008, 06:00 PM	#3
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Voted for no buy this year because I got 2008 and never played it.

10-02-2008, 07:11 PM	#4
Shepp High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Atlanta, GA	FM...I was in the "no buy" camp but 3D match engine is to much to resist.

10-02-2008, 07:57 PM	#6
Shepp High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Atlanta, GA	I really never considered WWSM as an option. When the day arrives that the patches arrive at the same time as FM, then I will consider it.

10-02-2008, 07:58 PM	#7
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i gotta figure this out sometime soon

10-03-2008, 07:50 AM	#15
George H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2005	Preordered WWSM from Amazon.

10-03-2008, 08:03 AM	#16
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	I voted for no buy right now as I'm still playing WWSM 08 quite a bit. If there were to be a sale over the holidays that drops it to a lower price, I might consider a purchase. But right now, I've invested 25 years of coaching (game years of course) into WWSM '08 and I'm really into this universe and its players.

10-08-2008, 07:27 PM	#19
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	idk why amazon lists that, but i'm ordering tonight now that i got my new credit card in the mail Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 10-08-2008 at 07:30 PM.

10-08-2008, 07:38 PM	#20
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	FM

10-08-2008, 08:07 PM	#22
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	lol - WWSM

10-09-2008, 01:55 PM	#23
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	I am still getting lots of mileage out of 2008, should last me until next years version.

10-09-2008, 01:58 PM	#24
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	I refuse to answer this poll until it is in the Soccer Text Sims forum. I like structure and order, this poll is creating chaos. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

10-09-2008, 06:14 PM	#27
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	You could just grab it from Steam you know: Steam News __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

10-10-2008, 11:04 AM	#30
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	FM and wait for the first patch

10-10-2008, 11:34 AM	#31
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	idk how you people can wait FM-arrival day is like my Christmas. Shit no, it's better than my Christmas. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 10-10-2008 at 11:35 AM.

10-10-2008, 11:42 AM	#32
George H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2005	Just got an email from Amazon pushing back the release date for WWSM. Release date: 11/18/2008 Estimated arrival date: 12/02/2008 - 12/08/2008

10-10-2008, 12:05 PM	#34
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I see Pumpy. I usually use the first month or two to just mess-around in-game and make sure that I understand all of the nuances of the new additions, that way when the patch is released I'm ready to hit the ground running with my serious-career with a minimum of screwups.

10-10-2008, 04:32 PM	#38
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	In past releases a lot of the more annoying bugs have been match engine related. Although I have not played FM Live, I hear the match engine has been beefed up a lot from FM 08 through continuous fine-tuning of that game, and that FM 09 will benefit from that. So hopefully this means a better experience for those who buy the game day one/week one this year.

10-11-2008, 09:51 PM	#39
Sweed College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	I voted for WWSM, is it to late to change my vote? Someone on the SI boards just posted a link to buying FM2009 from a US based company, GoGamer.com. Pre-order price $27.90, add $4.99 for priority USPS delivery (3-5 days) for a grand total of $32.89 Here's the link.. GoGamer.com I know WWSM and FM are the same game but still have to say I'm excited to get my first "real McCoy" FM. Beats the hell out of the $55-$65 I was thinking about spending importing from the UK. Only drawback is according to the site they aren't releasing\shipping until Nov 17 so I'll be waiting an extra week to play. I can live with that

10-11-2008, 10:02 PM	#40
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Nice find there. It only comes out three days later than in the UK so once shipping is factored in you'll get it around the same time as you would importing while paying an American price.

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