Forum Changes...

[Ben E Lou]

A few things...

POST COUNTS: I am playing with a way to keep user titles but stop displaying post counts in the postbit, because of all the recent silliness about them. I may remove it from the members list as well if there's more silliness.

SKINS: As I've mentioned before, they are not set up properly here at all in the parent-child style that we really need in order to do some easy modding. I've trimmed those down to the top five that y'all voted on a while back (IMPORTANT POLL: What skin do you use? - Front Office Football Central. This will be helpful going forward.

DELETING THREADS: Non-mods can no longer do this, again due to the recent silliness. (It's fairly likely that I left off one or more of the "side" groups, but I can address that as it comes up.)

ASSHATTERY: While I was working on these changes, a few of you chose to act like asshats by abusing signatures and post reporting. As a result, you are facing temporary sanctions (one day).

[ace1914]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

ASSHATTERY:

Please define an asshat for me so I can avoid being called one.

[RendeR]

You know, you've overblown situations in the past, but this just looks kinda stupid Ben.

The only thing I agree with here is the deleting threads bit, never should have been available to joe-user. The rest is irrelevent and/or assinine. take your pick, whichever view makes you warm and fuzzy.

[Young Drachma]

YOU ARE MEEN!

[saldana]

Originally Posted by ace1914

Please define an asshat for me so I can avoid being called one.

just dont do anything stupid that intentionally pisses people off or annoys them

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by saldana

just dont do anything stupid that intentionally pisses people off or annoys them

Use your napkin and lay it in your lap, don;t touch the crystal before you are served and for god's sake never look them in the EYE, NEVER, they'll KEEEEL YOU!!!!

[Raiders Army]

I gotta say that if your post count showing by your name means so much to you, you need to get out more.

I don't put my FOFC title on my business card, FWIW. Maybe just me, but who cares?

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I don't put my FOFC title on my business card, FWIW. Maybe just me, but who cares?

Staples.com®

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I gotta say that if your post count showing by your name means so much to you, you need to get out more.

I don't put my FOFC title on my business card, FWIW. Maybe just me, but who cares?

see...thats the difference...i just got new business cards printed...what the hell am i supposed to do with 1,000 cards that say "College Benchwarmer"

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by saldana

see...thats the difference...i just got new business cards printed...what the hell am i supposed to do with 1,000 cards that say "College Benchwarmer"

Wait a few years. I'm sure in a few years that the thresholds for titles will change and if you just lurk here and don't post you'll be back to College Benchwarmer. All you need is a little discipline.

C'mon, what's more important to you?

[Cringer]

Haha, everyone lost posts (kind of). I love it.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Wait a few years. I'm sure in a few years that the thresholds for titles will change and if you just lurk here and don't post you'll be back to College Benchwarmer. All you need is a little discipline.

C'mon, what's more important to you?

if they would just give me the custom title i want, i wouldnt have to worry about it?

[spleen1015]

What's worse?

People caring about post counts or Skydog caring about people caring about post counts?

Now I will never see 3000.

[cthomer5000]

This is a positive change. Long overdue.

[Cringer]

If you check your profile or the member list you will. That is why Ben said...

may remove it from the members list as well if there's more silliness.

[Anthony]

i'm having Hell Atlantic in my sig.

if you don't like it then ban me. that's as simple as it's gonna get.

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hut!
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live and uncut
style's unshakable
shatterproof
to my young youth
you wanna get guns?
shoot.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

This is a positive change. Long overdue.

+1

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

What's worse?

People caring about post counts or Skydog caring about people caring about post counts?

Now I will never see 3000.

To be clear, I don't particularly care that people care. I care that they are bugging the mods and me about it.

[Groundhog]

I'm just happy that this will stop people deleting old threads.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

A few things...



ASSHATTERY: While I was working on these changes, a few of you chose to act like asshats by abusing signatures and post reporting. As a result, you are facing temporary sanctions (one day).

u cant ban Subby!

[Senator]

Has anyone refused to accept a ban?

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

+1

+2

[SirFozzie]

-7

[RendeR]

*finishes painting the swastikas over the FOFC logos....*

[RendeR]

[Pyser]

i miss post counts

[Logan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

-7

-7,265 (as of this post)




Seriously...this is all excellent to me.

[EagleFan]

So basically we have two people who posted threads about nearing a post count "landmark" and then people who started deleting threads and what appear to be mods who started childishly screwing with the numbers. The solution is to take away post numbers and slap people on the wrist who objected, much of it jokingly? That's some REALLY messed up logic.

Personally I think the mods who started screwing with the numbers to inflame the situation should be the ones facing some sort of penalty. They (or this person if it was just one) clearly abused their power just to be asshats.

[Schmidty]

I don't give a crap about post counts or join date.

It's about the content of the post more than it is about the number of of inane post bolsters.

I think this is a good thing. I love FOFC, not my stature here.

[GrantDawg]

Posting to see if I was banned. No? Ok.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I don't give a crap about post counts or join date.

It's about the content of the post more than it is about the number of of inane post bolsters.

I think this is a good thing. I love FOFC, not my stature here.

+1

[Kodos]

Now we ALL know how it must feel to be a werewolf.














ARROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

...and what appear to be mods who started childishly screwing with the numbers. The solution is to take away post numbers and slap people on the wrist who objected, much of it jokingly? That's some REALLY messed up logic.

Personally I think the mods who started screwing with the numbers to inflame the situation should be the ones facing some sort of penalty. They (or this person if it was just one) clearly abused their power just to be asshats.

I was messing with different ways to hide the post count. I didn't want to go through the hassle of editing the postbit template for all of the dozen or so skins that are here, so I was playing with the idea of just counting posts for no forums, which would have reduced everyone's post count to zero. In that process, I did several rebuilds of post counts earlier this evening which caused, I'm sure, some pretty wild variations. (For example, in one iteration I intended to have posts count in no forums in one of the refreshes, but left off the dynasty forums and the soccer forum.) But then it was suggested to me that it might be good to have the titles around without the post counts, so I remembered the poll I had taken, and got rid of the rarely/never used templates, and just edited out the postcount stuff from postbits in the five that now remain.

So, bottom line: it was multiple rebuilds of post counts by me, not some rogue mod screwing around, that probably caused a lot of variance in post counts today.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by ace1914

Please define an asshat for me so I can avoid being called one.

The opening post is a good example.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Now we ALL know how it must feel to be a werewolf.














ARROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

subby is that you?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Wrong. I was messing with different ways to hide the post count. I didn't want to go through the hassle of editing the postbit template for all of the dozen or so skins that are here, so I was playing with the idea of just counting posts for no forums, which would have reduced everyone's post count to zero. In that process, I did several rebuilds of post counts earlier this evening which caused, I'm sure, some pretty wild variations. (For example, in one iteration I intended to have posts count in no forums in one of the refreshes, but left off the dynasty forums and the soccer forum.) But then it was suggested to me that it might be good to have the titles around without the post counts, so I remembered the poll I had taken, and got rid of the rarely/never used templates, and just edited out the postcount stuff from postbits in the five that now remain.

So, bottom line: it was multiple rebuilds of post counts by me, not some rogue mod screwing around, that probably caused a lot of variance in post counts today.

It seemed odd that only RendeR's post counts were being drastically altered during this time period. It was obvious in the thread that only his were being drastically changed. Everyone was getting some flux but while other dropped just a couple hundred he dropped to near 0.

Overall the biggest problem here was people messing around and deleting threads. In the overall scheme of things how much does it matter that Lathum hit 10,000 or RendeR hit 6,000?

Personally I kind of like the post counts. I only know the major players on here for the most part and sometimes I have seen post from someone and not realized just how active they have been (though I had missed what they had been posting entirely) and see that someone who I though was just a lurker was actual an active member that I hadn't noticed.

[RendeR]

7956

[RendeR]

7957

it would appear that there are a couple thousand of my posts that were not being counted for whatever reason to begin with. I was at 6000 when this got started, but when I search for posts by this user I get the number above.

Whyso?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Overall the biggest problem here was people messing around and deleting threads. In the overall scheme of things how much does it matter that Lathum hit 10,000 or RendeR hit 6,000?

I have seen you reference this twice now.

I just want to point out that there have been a number of "milestone" posts and I fully expected a thread to be deleted knocking me down.

But IMO the second and third time it happened it crosses into asshatery.

[RendeR]

7958

So EF, i suppose it doesn't matter that its not always visible, one can always find one's post count if one were to wish to find one's post count.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

It seemed odd that only RendeR's post counts were being drastically altered during this time period. It was obvious in the thread that only his were being drastically changed. Everyone was getting some flux but while other dropped just a couple hundred he dropped to near 0.

Overall the biggest problem here was people messing around and deleting threads. In the overall scheme of things how much does it matter that Lathum hit 10,000 or RendeR hit 6,000?

Personally I kind of like the post counts. I only know the major players on here for the most part and sometimes I have seen post from someone and not realized just how active they have been (though I had missed what they had been posting entirely) and see that someone who I though was just a lurker was actual an active member that I hadn't noticed.

I'm fairly certain that mine dropped by, oh, 15,000 during that time. Part of the changes depended on what forums you did or did not post in.

Agree on the deleted threads. It's almost a "tradition" now that it happens when someone starts one of those threads. I'd never really thought about it, but when I did, I couldn't think of a compelling reason to let users delete threads. It can be a royal pain to find and restore them if they pick the right ones. (I'm pretty sure that some are in effect lost forever just because we're not likely to find them.) It's quite uncommon for someone to double-post a thread, and even more uncommon for someone to regret a thread shortly after it's posted and want to delete it. In either case, they can PM me or any mod and we'll just take care of it.

[Lathum]

The WW posts were skewed, that is probably why Renders seems screwey, mine were and I know Saldanas were also

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I'm fairly certain that mine dropped by, oh, 15,000 during that time. Part of the changes depended on what forums you did or did not post in.

Agree on the deleted threads. It's almost a "tradition" now that it happens when someone starts one of those threads. I'd never really thought about it, but when I did, I couldn't think of a compelling reason to let users delete threads. It can be a royal pain to find and restore them if they pick the right ones. (I'm pretty sure that some are in effect lost forever just because we're not likely to find them.) It's quite uncommon for someone to double-post a thread, and even more uncommon for someone to regret a thread shortly after it's posted and want to delete it. In either case, they can PM me or any mod and we'll just take care of it.

If that then solved the problem, why all the rest of the changes? why overkill?

[RendeR]

7979 now according to the members list. Why would the membership listing and the search function return different results?

[claphamsa]

I went from 0 to 30, and i thought i was cool before!

[EagleFan]

Ah, I thought the entire post count was wiped out, didn't realize I can still find it, just need to click the user's ID (sorry, was too lazy to do that other click before ).

[EagleFan]

Was going to post an over/under on RendeR ending up in the box, I guess that contest was over before it started...

[claphamsa]

hlly crap. 2700........

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Ah, I thought the entire post count was wiped out, didn't realize I can still find it, just need to click the user's ID (sorry, was too lazy to do that other click before ).

Yes. It would be a royal pain to remove it from everywhere that it exists in vbulletin. As many things that can be turned on and off in vbulletin via the control panel, it's a bit surprising that this isn't one of them. It requires removing the HTML and code that generates it in the various places. *shurg*

[EagleFan]

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